Team Build: Beauty and the Beast

Level Unclean Beast Sedna
  1   Spit 1 Heal 1
  2  Diseased Claws 1
Heaing Wind 1
  3  Ooze 1
Pounce 1
  4   Spit 2 Pounce 2
  5   Foul Grasp 1
Healing Wind 2
  6   Ooze 2
Heal 2
  7   Spit 3 Pounce 3
  8   Ooze 3
Heal 3
  9   Save Magnificent Presence 1 
  10   Spit4/Ooze 4
Magnificent Presence 2

 

A lot of builds that people post are based around a single player, and only take that one characters skills into account.  Sometimes though this isn't necessarily the best way to go since your team is important.  For those of us who play premade, it is hard to not to start think of builds as a group thing.  What sedna goes the best with my best?  What Torch Bearer goes the best with Sedna? Etc etc.

The above example build, that I call 'Beauty and the Beast' is what I think is one of the stronger ways to play the pair of demigods together.  You'll notice that the beast build is unchanged, but that the Sedna build is intended to compliment it.  Notice for instance that ooze and heal go up at roughly the same times.  Each of these levels (6 and 8 especially) greatly increase the tankability of the build.  After me and a friend tried playing with this for a while, we picked up two other friends, and considered how to incorporate them into this whole thing:

 

Level Unclean Beast Sedna Torch Bearer Oak
  1   Spit 1 Heal 1 Fireball 1
Penitence 1
  2  Diseased Claws 1
Heaing Wind 1 Fire Aura 1
Divine Justice 1
  3  Ooze 1
Pounce 1
Save Soul Power 1
  4   Spit 2 Pounce 2
Fireball 2
Penitence 2
  5   Foul Grasp 1
Healing Wind 2
Frost Nova 1/ Fire Aura 2
Soul Ward 1
  6   Ooze 2
Heal 2
Fire Nova
Soul Ward 2
  7   Spit 3 Pounce 3 Fireball 3
Penitence 3
  8   Ooze 3
Heal 3 Fire Aura 3
Soul Ward 3
  9   Save Magnificent Presence 1  Save Surge of Faith 1
  10   Spit4/Ooze 4
Magnificent Presence 2
Fireball 4/Frost Nova 2
Surge of Faith 2

 

We figured for most larger maps you would start out playing, basically, two different 2v2 combats. Torch Bearer uses the Staff of Renewal, oak and Sedna have Blood of the Fallen, and Beast has blade of the serpent.  At level 10 TB casts fireballs every 4.76 seconds(Every 3.71 seconds with a cooldown flag). Surge of Faith + Fire Aura = a Ridiculous boost to movement and attack speed, for everyone. Level 3 Penitence makes someone standing next to an unclean beast die amazingly fast. Once all four together in an area, they have powerful AoE (Surge + Fire Nova) strong Healing (Sedna, oak also should have bishops) and great damage and control (Grasp and Frost nova).

 

Anyhow, we haven't put more than half an hours thought into this, so I'm sure there are better combo's out there, but I thought I'd open up discussion perhaps on skill selections and item distributions that work best for premade teams.

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Reply #1 Top

Remember to have Sedna and Oak with different priest types (Bishops should be on Sedna, if only because some people consider it highly unsporting to use the Sedna priest bug. After the bug is fixed, they'll then be the best heals if she has them anyways.) I would recommend Beast stay with BotF simply for lane staying power early on. Sedna won't always be there to provide heals in a 2v2 and UB will need to be able to tank.

 

+1 for the post and really being the first "Team Build" I've seen posted on the forums. Hopefully you start a trend.

Reply #2 Top

Great job for being the first person (that i know of) to post team builds.

Reply #3 Top

Interesting read Zech, I'm sure that many premades have been thinking alot about similar things. My 2v2 partner and I are still deciding whether we're going to continue playing DG, but if/when we leave we'll be sure to post a detailed description of how we roll. 

Quoting TormakSaber, reply 1
(Bishops should be on Sedna, if only because some people consider it highly unsporting to use the Sedna priest bug. After the bug is fixed, they'll then be the best heals if she has them anyways.) I would recommend Beast stay with BotF simply for lane staying power early on. Sedna won't always be there to provide heals in a 2v2 and UB will need to be able to tank.

No. Sedna should use High Priests, period. 

Reply #4 Top

Its pretty common in the competative scene to abuse every bug till fixed to rake in the ranks. Personally i often end up short for the bishops when i remember to get them so i do end up with the high priests at times :p

Reply #5 Top

Quoting SoFFacet, reply 3
Interesting read Zech, I'm sure that many premades have been thinking alot about similar things. My 2v2 partner and I are still deciding whether we're going to continue playing DG, but if/when we leave we'll be sure to post a detailed description of how we roll. 


Quoting TormakSaber, reply 1(Bishops should be on Sedna, if only because some people consider it highly unsporting to use the Sedna priest bug. After the bug is fixed, they'll then be the best heals if she has them anyways.) I would recommend Beast stay with BotF simply for lane staying power early on. Sedna won't always be there to provide heals in a 2v2 and UB will need to be able to tank.
No. Sedna should use High Priests, period. 

Generally speaking I try not to rely on exploits to win my games.

Reply #6 Top

So you always buy plate Visor instead of Scaled Helm?  I mean, it costs more so should be better, and buying the cheaper actually better item would be an exploit, right?

Reply #7 Top

so theres a barfight.  lets call it a knife fight.  but theres an exploit that allows one side to bring a gun, but still win the fight (they get to live).

Their children and their childrens children will fondly recall the barfight their ancestors won by using the rules to their advantage.

In the real world, in business as well as love and war, the guy who holds that view is the one speaking someone elses language because they were conquered, the guy whos best friend steals his GF because he was too trusting, or the business who lost its ass because they refused to be competitive due to a loophole in the law that everyone else took advantage of. 

Reply #8 Top

Generally speaking I try not to rely on exploits to win my games.

Generally speaking I try not to reduce my effectiveness based on arbitrary rules that no one else is obliged to follow. 

Reply #9 Top

its not an exploit until there's an official rule against it. rules are established by two groups: the game developer and the community norm. neither of these groups has established a binding rule regarding Healing Wind 2 and Priests. its totally fair ball at the moment.

 

...however, its still blatantly a bug and is blatantly overpowered. 

Reply #10 Top

Quoting Zechnophobe, reply 6
So you always buy plate Visor instead of Scaled Helm?  I mean, it costs more so should be better, and buying the cheaper actually better item would be an exploit, right?

 

No, it means it's a stupid typo, is clearly a bug, and so I'd rather not rely on it to win games.

Reply #11 Top

Then you don't need BotS because you have infinite mana 8C

Reply #12 Top

I am not really in the mood to think of a better combination right now but I would really think about having that TB go frost hybrid looking something like this.

 

1 Ring of Fire I (At level 1 ring of fire puts a TON of pressure on positioning for flags and helps with creeps so I think it is worth it, and it can also be used as a bluff later game)

2. Rain of Ice I

3. Permafrost I

4. Rain of Ice II

5. Frost Nova I

6. Deep Freeze

7. Rain of Ice II

8. Fire Nova I/Permafrost II (depends on what reinforcements are out)

9. Save

10. Rain of ice IV/Frost Nova II

 

The reason I would prefer Ice TB especially for team play is because he brings way more to the table than fire TB.  As fire TB you would add run speed to you and your party, but other than that you are just a big ball of DPS.  Ice TB is less DPS but can stun, slow others down, attack while following, and can totally screw the other players with a well timed deep freeze.  Thats just my opinion though.  I will try to think of some team make ups later.