I wonder if the new google moon shots could clear of this up for the non-believers?

those guys/gals are really something, blasting off in space like that. me no way, I don't even like roller coasters.

Do you have proof  snow white?   And I'm not talkin the pics they use..... Other wise? I am definitely allowed an opinion.  Or is that also wrong to you nimbin....  What are you so afraid of?  Me thinks they do protest 2 much

well smart ass, the proof that the landings DID take place certainly outweigh any proof that they didn't. And no i didn't say you could not have an opinion. read what i said again. I am not afraid of anything and the fact that you say that just proves to me that your nothing but a windbag with nothing better to do. Grow up

All the name calling and uppity violence,,,tch tch poor minbim

From this webpage.

The best rebuttal to allegations of a "Moon Hoax," however, is common sense. Evidence that the Apollo program really happened is compelling: A dozen astronauts (laden with cameras) walked on the Moon between 1969 and 1972. Nine of them are still alive and can testify to their experience. They didn't return from the Moon empty-handed, either. Just as Columbus carried a few hundred natives back to Spain as evidence of his trip to the New World, Apollo astronauts brought 841 pounds of Moon rock home to Earth.

"Moon rocks are absolutely unique," says Dr. David McKay, Chief Scientist for Planetary Science and Exploration at NASA's Johnson Space Center (JSC). McKay is a member of the group that oversees the Lunar Sample Laboratory Facility at JSC where most of the Moon rocks are stored. "They differ from Earth rocks in many respects," he added.

"For example," explains Dr. Marc Norman, a lunar geologist at the University of Tasmania, "lunar samples have almost no water trapped in their crystal structure, and common substances such as clay minerals that are ubiquitous on Earth are totally absent in Moon rocks."

"We've found particles of fresh glass in Moon rocks that were produced by explosive volcanic activity and by meteorite impacts over 3 billion years ago," added Norman. "The presence of water on Earth rapidly breaks down such volcanic glass in only a few million years. These rocks must have come from the Moon!"

I suppose they had the rocks shipped to Earth by UPS.

Like I said. Talk to the Apollo 13 guys. You think they really staged a accident in space for ratings or to dupe Americans and the world? Not likely...

Yup, one of the 'hoax theorists' claimed he had contacted and interviewed the FedEx driver who went up there to collect the moon rocks.  Apparently he soiled his space suit when he thought that he heard the 'man in the moon' talking to him, and thus he smelled a bit off when he got back to the depot.

I suppose it is plausible!!  I mean, those airconditioned hybrid vans are great on long trips.  And yeah, I woulda crapped in my suit if I heard: "WTF are are you doing?" while I was bending over picking up rocks.

Wow,, just wouldn't imagine that this discussion would still be going on.  I have my own opinions just like everyone else, but really.  There are a whole lot or more important things going on in our personal lives that deserve the attention this thread is getting.  That's not to say that what peoples opinions don't mean anything, they do. 

The problem is that not everyone is going to be right in this discussion, in fact there may not even be a yes or no answer.  Hmmmm, now what do I mean by that?  So far the discussion has only centered on did we or did we not walk on the moon.  The technoloby of the day would have allowed us to send unmanned craft to moon and bring them back, think about it.

Oh crap, what have I done.

what???

The "known" technology of the day.

It's a fact that what the public knows about and where we actually are technologically speaking are two different realities.  The F117 program was started in the late 60's early 70's, but didn't get revealed publicly until the early 90's.  The F-22 has been on the boards since the 80's...

Exactly! WTF have you done???  Just when I give the conspiracy theorists the FedEx guy (you know, an extra straw for 'em to clutch), you go and give 'em something 'really plausible'... something they will attach credibilty to.

Just don't go letting the cat out of the bag that the reflector kona spoke of got up there due to an accident with a large "Roman Candle"

Now if yer wanna mention that when Neil Armstrong got home his missus refused to do his laundry because he'd been rolling around in moon dust, then go ahead, be my guest.

I mean, I don't want my childhood illusions shattered... just don't need that feeling that I took time off to watch it on TV when I could still have been hard at work.

Then....just a few years later...

1995 - Jindalee Radar System - The United States of America spent $11 billion developing an aeroplane that could not be detected by radar. Scientists at the CSIRO then concluded that if the plane could not be detected, perhaps the turbulance it makes passing through air could be. $1.5 million later, the Jindalee Radar system had transformed the stealth bomber into nothing more than an unusual looking aircraft.

Bit pointless, really...;)

then there is the blackbird (SR-71) developed in the 50s (I believe) that is and possibly still is the fastest hunk of junk on the planet. went coast to coast with a running start in under an hour. love that plane, very cool.

another pointless bit of trivia.

I wouldn't say it's nothing more than an unusual looking aircraft...It's reported that the serbs shot down that F117 by using cell towers to triangulate it's position also.  No matter what technology you come up with, there will always be someone coming up with a way to counter it.

That isn't why that radar was developed.  It may have that possible application (it's reported to).

messiah....the point is...11 billion bucks down the gurgler....after a couple of guys in labcoats at the CSIRO said "bugger me - chuck us a tinnie and I'll solve it in no time, AND it'll cost eff-all" ....;)

The whole intent of the project went down the dunnie when it was no longer 'stealthy' ....;)

http://www.nasa.gov/missions/research/x43-main.html

Warp Speed, here we come...

[EDIT]About the edits, why can't we have a nice, normal, easy-to-use vBullitin forum...

Agreed, like I said, I develop product A to do this, you develop product B to do that...it's always been that way, it'll always be that way.  But, it was and is a sweet machine.  As is the NightHawk, even though they mothballed them.

Fortunately for the USAF....we're on their side....;)

thank you, I wonder what we have that is not out for public consumption. talk about wild rides, whoa...

Just curious if that's faster than the shuttle?

If I recall correctly, it goes at around Mach 25 in orbit.

How about on the way back?

"it's not an aircraft, it's a flying brick on approach...".  And I believe on reentry, it slows to Mach 17.

The Shuttle is, to all intents and purposes, just a spaceship, NOT an aircraft. In terms of something manmade blazing across the sky, yes, the Shuttle is the fastest, but it glides, it doesn't fly, and unless I missed something, that's the point of this part of the thread.

Made a really cool robot in Transformers 2 as well.