Please read my post COMPLETELY.    

I do make it crystal clear that one MUST do a full in place re-upgrade after booting into the new mobo/chipset, etc.  This guarantees that Vista/7 will check every driver at every level to make sure it is correct.  

It only takes 20 minutes and your computer will thank you for it.    

your assuming he is upgrading from an old motherboard, but just like I am assuming he is not...  I should have been a little more prudent in my response to this and stated that the worse that could happen would be a reinstall.  But not an absolute must...  it’s all relative to what he has and since I am not at his house... I can only assume.

Besides... Your statement is not actually true... I had a hard drive in a HP with an Intel board and CPU, with on board graphics and I moved that hard drive to a computer running AMD board and CPU and it booted fine... ask for disk to install drivers... Slapped in the mobo CD and it was good to go.  Though, I have to admit I felt that there was some instability issues and ended up reinstalling OS anyways, but I cannot say the fresh install is a must for operation, though I agree it’s a must beyond that.



I beg to differ



ummm excuse me... notable... maybe not...  but first things first, heat ruins electronics...  so keeping it cooler will make it last longer.. this is known by all normal people....  second...  if you notice the rig he is buying is for gaming not jerkin off on the internet (judging by the motherboard and the video card were discussing then I have to assume were talking gaming rig) so yes the better the cooler the better the performance on the machine...  stock coolers SUCK.  And since he is gaming with it then the better the cooler the better the performance... if you know anything about gaming and computers you would agree... 

Third, so, if you’re going to use the machine for gaming, then yes get something better than the stock cooler. And another reason for the water cooler is that they are very cheap now... and very easy to maintain... No different than an air cooler for the CPU, so why not get the better. 



this is because liquid cooling has finally come down in price for normal users to start using it and they are afraid of it... liquid cooling will be the future for all PC's... the cost needs to come down a bit more for everyone to start using it...



actually, my cpu runs nearly 10 to 15 degrees cooler than it does with an air cooler... and when you are in the middle of the game and your keeping your cpu below 70C  during peak cpu usage... compared to many air coolers that don't... 

the hotter the cpu the slower it works and when you are talking about slow during a game it does make a difference in performance...  One frame too slow and its game over, and temprature can make that difference.

Now does it really make it last longer, I agree, I don't think it really matters because ... yes, you will be replacing the CPU in most case long before the CPU call it quits...  but hey  the cooler it is the longer it last...  there is no argument against it...  heat kills electronics.. That’s a fact...

All in all, there is no bad advice being posted here... Just different opinions...

Goo, this is not a difference of opinion.

I am talking about facts. You know, things you can test. Things you can look at and realize how things are working.

You're talking about opinions. Computers do not run on opinions.

The internet is a vast place with many resources. If you would like to find and post sources showing how temperture increases cause failure in consumer CPUs, then do it. If you cannot do so then accept that your opinion is extremely vague and has nothing to do with reality.

Also, please show me something indicating how processor temperture effects gaming performance. I suspect you will not be able to post anything because there are no reviews, studies, or tests which indicate this.

In fact, I'd love to see someone post a review of a water cooler block (note: note a full water cooling system) which actually shows it achieving tempetures lower than what is possible with a good air cooler. I suspect you will post nothing. I have not seen any reviews which claim that water cooling blocks are better. Usually they are only on par with the air coolers, but they cost more.

Hell, really Goo. You just claimed that most air coolers don't keep a CPU below 70 degrees during peak usage. Just FYI, at 70 degrees most motherboard are going to just shut the fucking system down because that is crazy hot and is in excess of what Intel says their processors will tolerate. So what you are claiming here is that Intel knowingly ships cooling solutions which will fry their processors. I think we would have heard about that one by now, don't you?

But hey, while we're on the subject, let me post some air cooler test results. Let's see - this one shows that AMD stock coolers do not exceed 60 degrees Celsuis even when a system is overclocked. Or how about this one, which shows that a huge number of air coolers, none of which reach over 50 degrees?

Haha this thread has made me laugh. I think You all have valid points and just to be on the safe side, I'm gonna format the hard drive and start over, and probably pick up a better cpu cooler down the road. Thanks for all the help everyone

This indicates that your assumption is wrong.

I find it funny too. I hope it was helpful too.

If you don't do overclocking "Better" means "Less noise" in situations like this. So if you're not annoyed by noise from the cooler, there's no need to look for anything other than what you got.

Put your money on a GPU cooler first, because the AMD stock cooler is NOISY.

Let me suggest:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186016

along with:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186021

It makes for a darn good and quiet combination at an affordable price.

There's also the accelero twin turbo which is pretty much the same as the above 2 combined. Newegg don't seem to have those though.

Facelessclock, again I will admit my error… the temperature in my mind’s-eye is definitely off.  But will stand by the fact that Intel‘s stock coolers do not cool the CPU as effectively as a aftermarket cooler and as a gamer I would not use a stock cooler.  And I am speaking during peak times, not idle…  I suggested liquid cooling because it’s a fantastic way to keep the CPU temps low at a low cost.   In regards to the increase in temp decreasing performance… when I find the article I read on it I will happy to PM you about it.