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DesktopX Weather Widget Issues - Read This

DesktopX Weather Widget Issues - Read This

As many of you know from reading the forums over the past couple of days, that weather feeds being pulled in from DesktopX created widgets/objects have stopped working.  To make a short story even shorter, TWC has shown a requirement put upon all widget creators and users, and anyone else accessing their data to abide by new and quite specific demands/rules.  This goes for anyone using the feeds, not just WinCustomize users.

If you want to continue to use TWC weather feeds you will need to abide by their new rules, which includes a requirement to place a logo and links back to them.  Several DX coders including sViz and Vad_M have been posting new feeds, and some code fixes to help others fix their weather objects. 

An ongoing thread from sViz can be found here:

Which ever new weather feeds creators decide to use, they need to make sure they also abide by any rules or guideline imposed by the originating feed provider.

Starting Monday, July 20th, we will start removing broken weather widgets from the WinCustomize galleries that have not been updated and/or violate any ToS/ToU in regards to weather feeds. The WC moderators are going to keep a close eye on the DesktopX queues so that updates will be pushed through as soon as possible.  When updating a current skin, please be sure to make a note in the description that it has been updated with a new weather feed.  If authors are do not have a copy of their widgets and are not able to retrieve them from Wincustomize, they are available by request to an admin.

We understand this has caused quite a stir, but this is nothing that can be easily fixed as it’s an issue that is not in Stardock’s nor WinCustomize’s hands.  Please keep an eye on the forums for updates from DX coders who are looking at alternative solutions.

Regards,

Spencer
WC Admin

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Reply #201 Top

neophil78: Using weather.com feed is not "free", you have to show promotional links and the TWC logo. Getting a redistributable license which would bypass the promo links/update interval restrictions is probably going to cost Stardock a lot of money (which they will have to get somewhere), if it's even available to third parties.

Well, though it might be to know how much it will cost

Note that getting a license for your company allowing you to redistribute widgets is different from one that allows sub-licensing to third-parties.

Stardock would be the company and skinners are doing widgets for the company Stardock >_>

It's the same for most other weather providers BTW. A lot of them do not allow commercial use without first acquiring a license (some with specific restrictions, some with actual money).

Though, there will be no solution. End of story. 

Reply #202 Top

Quoting neophil78, reply 24

It's always easy when people do things FOR you


I say it again, it would be much more simple if Stardock would obtain a license / permission from WTC which can be used by all skinners, than if each skinner has to do it (it would be a step in the right direction) especially, if license / permission is free as it seems to be

Why turning the problem in every way, searching other solutions using other weather services  when everything is already working fine with weather.com (there will be just the ID and KEY to add in "solid" in existing scripts   )

The bottomline is, though, TWC does not want anyone accessing their feeds without a license.  Lets say they offer SD a license and let's say SD creates a template that uses a universal key and ID so skinners/users don't have to get one. Unless SD can come up with a way to secure the id and key and disallow unlicensed access to the weather data/code of the widget (i.e. gadgetizing it) TWC will not be happy. And if SD gadgetizes the widget (as they do with Accuweather, as Julynessi did with his Accuweather, and as Martin did with his full Desknotes gadget with Weatherbug support,) then the skinners will not be happy as they can't modify anything.

So it's back to the drawing board: A. a widget where everyone gets a license key and id, skinners can modify it, and TWC is happy that everyone must become a licensee before accessing the weather data or  B. Find another source.

A. Is done. 

B. Is in the works.

C, let Stardock do it, is not the only viable solution. We search for other solutions because we are capable of doing so, and frankly, because getting stuck with one weather provider (who 'burned' us once) isn't a practical long-term solution; there should always be variety in life. It may not be the quickest, most expedient route, but I think it's well worth the effort.

I understand it's a frustrating situation to wade through, believe me, but it's the hand that's been dealt and we just have to deal with it.

Lemonade out of lemons and all that. :)

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Reply #203 Top



A. Is done. 

Yep, A works, thanks for that sViz!

..just noticed: If you have TWC ID and key, to use xoap..

that will allow you to see ONLY 4 (5) Day's forecast..not a full 10 day's like before... :'(

 

Reply #204 Top

Guys, girls....listen quite closely to sViz.  Hers is the 'good oil' and is apparently almost the only skinner here who understands the situation.

Stardock obtaining a licence will assuredly result in a closed script that is an end product NOT accessible to third party skinners.

The only kind of likely contractual situation would be the end-product distribution of a widget directly to the user.  A skinner would be outside of that loop and would still require their own contract to create/distribute their own widgets that also use the feed.

Or...

As sViz mentions in option 'A' the skinner creates his widget in accordance with the requirements of the feed supplier [no matter who] and the end user obtains the licence/permission to access the feed.

'B' has NEVER NOT been an option.

Reply #205 Top

Guys, girls....listen quite closely to sViz. Hers is the 'good oil' and is apparently almost the only skinner here who understands the situation.

Hey, read my posts...lol.   :S

Reply #206 Top

A. Is done.

Where is it? Did I miss something?:grin:

Reply #207 Top

Quoting RedneckDude, reply 6

A. Is done.


Where is it? Did I miss something?

Beta-testing round 2 is coming soon; you'll get a PM. Also tying up a few loose ends for the full release.

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Reply #208 Top
CAN I ASK JUST ONE QUESTION,PLEASE.....JUST TELL ME HOW I CAN GET RID OF THE INVALID ZIP ADDRESS ERROR MESSAGE..NOTHING ALLOWS ME TO EDIT THE SCRIPT..SO DO I HAVE TO DELETE ALL MY DX'S? IS THERE A WAY TO SAVE THEM AND JUST DELETE THE WEATHER FEED? COME ON.. CAN SOME ONE CORRECT THE PROBLEM. I'AM A SUBSCRIBER AND PURCHASED OBJECT DX AND THEMES MY SUBSCRIBTION IS DUE AND WAS THINKING OF UPGRADING OBJECT DESKTOP.
Reply #209 Top

CAN I ASK JUST ONE QUESTION,PLEASE.....JUST TELL ME HOW I CAN GET RID OF THE INVALID ZIP ADDRESS ERROR MESSAGE..NOTHING ALLOWS ME TO EDIT THE SCRIPT..SO DO I HAVE TO DELETE ALL MY DX'S? IS THERE A WAY TO SAVE THEM AND JUST DELETE THE WEATHER FEED? COME ON.. CAN SOME ONE CORRECT THE PROBLEM. I'AM A SUBSCRIBER AND PURCHASED OBJECT DX AND THEMES MY SUBSCRIBTION IS DUE AND WAS THINKING OF UPGRADING OBJECT DESKTOP.

At the moment you have two options. You can sign up free at weather.com for an I.D.# and Key, then put it into the script as follows: https://forums.wincustomize.com/358753

Or, you can delete them all and redownload when this is fixed. Mine are being fixed now and are in the gallery with no weather.

Or a 3rd choice would be, if you are good with DX, just go into builder mode and delete the weather parts, all of them, then your themes will run. But you must load DX with you internet connection turned off so you don't get the errors. After removal of weather parts, you can reconnect.

Sorry, but right now, that is all I have.

You can find working DX Themes here: http://redneckdude.wincustomize.com

Reply #210 Top

Or a 3rd choice would be, if you are good with DX, just go into builder mode and delete the weather parts, all of them, then your themes will run. But you must load DX with you internet connection turned off so you don't get the errors. After removal of weather parts, you can reconnect.

No need :omg: , just have to change "xoap" by "xml"

Reply #211 Top



No need , just have to change "xoap" by "xml"

Yep, just use what neophil said :)

Reply #212 Top

No need , just have to change "xoap" by "xml"

But is this a legal solution? Is it approved by Stardock mods?

Reply #213 Top

But is this a legal solution? Is it approved by Stardock mods?

NOT for widget/theme/gadget makers (uploaders) but what someone does on his own computer is up to the individual.

Reply #214 Top

NOT for widget/theme/gadget makers (uploaders) but what someone does on his own computer is up to the individual.

That's what I thought, thanx!

Reply #215 Top
thanks much for all the input..went to TWC web site and downloaded their free download, took about 5 mins. and got a lot of free stuff..plus my dx's all work.. for me this was the answer...so easy..thanks again.
Reply #216 Top

thanks much for all the input..went to TWC web site and downloaded their free download, took about 5 mins. and got a lot of free stuff..plus my dx's all work.. for me this was the answer...so easy..thanks again.

Really? I didn't get nuttin free except my numbers...lol.  :S

Reply #217 Top

Really? I didn't get nuttin free except my numbers...lol.

In the email, there is a link to the SDK. It's only the TOS in pdf form along with all the weather images. Nothing special really (and no proper XML feed documentation for sure, almost as bad as Weather Underground).

Reply #218 Top

Quoting Zubaz, reply 17
Just a thought:

Any artists that do not want to update thier own widgets to conform to weather.com's terms that Wincustomize has to respect could always grant permission to other artists to update them instead.  Those artists could put in stipulations to give credit to the original artists or even approval before submission.
I don't know yet what solution will be approved but I do not mind if people wish to update my widgets, in fact I would be grateful. I am not very good at understanding scripts and coding so any help would be great. I just want the weather widgets to continue to function and to keep on making them.

Reply #219 Top
This whole thing would have been a lot eaiser if the "something for nothing" crowd would have stayed out. I do not understand why it is that when something screws up, the so called customer is owed a lifetime of riches in return, and I mean RIGHT NOW! It's like they skulk in the shadows just waiting for human error, then WHAM here's a ripple in the smooth flow of things, you OWE ME. Authors, as I understand it all you have to do in the week is download it. Then fix it when you can and re-post it. Customers who feel they are OWED something. When you reach a point in life where you NEVER have something unexpected happen, and NEVER make a mistake, then moan about appoligies and what you are owed. If you are not perfect in your own life, do not expect to gain because someone else isn't.
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Reply #220 Top

Authors, as I understand it all you have to do in the week is download it.

If by 'it' you mean 120+ DesktopX themes, 6 years work, then you are right.

By the way, I am not complaining. X(

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Reply #221 Top

By the way, I am not complaining.

Lol!! I was, but to no avail. Shit happens, we move on, right Gef?  :thumbsup: ;)

Reply #222 Top

Sorry to bring it back on stage but i've read again the WTC terms of use and things seems simple to me

1°) it's Stardock which should be THE Affiliated WTC partner because of purposing their widgets done with DesktopX, and not to skinners which are just an intermediary between Stardock and end-user (end-user which has not to register in any case by definition)

2°) Registration is free (as nothing indicates the opposite )

3°) source: https://premium.parature.com/ics/survey/survey.asp?type=web&deptID=2552&surveyID=1524 

( ... If you are interested in distributing The Weather Channel's downloadable products or partnering with us to drive your distribution ... )

 

4°) though, it remain's just a question of logo and link back to TWC ... (should it be possible for skinners to recolor for example the logo to be fitted with the widget / desktpX theme ? )

5°) for now and for users, the easieast fix to make any widget or so to work is still to edit the widget and replace "xoap" by "xml"

Reply #223 Top

No need , just have to change "xoap" by "xml"

But is this a legal solution?

I've been following these weather posts here and at Rainmeters Forum, and I've copied below some info that I found about using xml instead of xoap, to read the whole post, here's the link... http://www.rainmeter.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=622.

"Considering a lot of folks are flocking to this fix I am going to say, that Weather.com will snap to the bandwidth influx real fast and close this site down as well.

The XML is an old back-up to Weather.com's XML OAP (XOAP) site, so if one goes down the other is available. This was provided under an old contractual agreement. As of July 08, 2009 00:00 EST, those contracts became null and void as the new business agreement went into full effect. Weather.com has proven an inability to monitor traffic at this site (For whatever unknown reasons), so usage of this site can not be properly tracked at this time.

Due to there being no ability to sign a contract for this particular XML Information set: enforcing the copy righted material would be unlikely in a court of law. It could be argued that if weather.com and it's associates had taken proper steps (as they have with the new contracts) to secure and regulate their information, then the usage would not be freely had. The US Federal Government is very clear on this: if your information on the internet is not secure, do not come crying when it is stolen.

Since apparently weather.com has not secured this site, or shown any interest in regulating by encryption or proper monitoring, we can use the information as general internet usage privileges, so long as we do not advertise weather.com or utilize their logo in any way (we would not be authorized to advertise weather.com in our skins)! With there no longer being any binding contractual agreements bound to this web site, it can be considered abandoned internet flotsam.

For the new XML Feed that you are required to sign up for to get your codes and ID, you bet you are bound. You are bound collectively to a whole bunch of things that the average individual will not want to get entangled with. This code has been assigned to you for individual in hose business and development only. You are expected to follow a lot of strictures in order to maintain your Code and ID from being banned. Weather.com is finally making their move to secure their information. Unlike the XML over XOAP URL: which is open and available, not encrypted, apparently not regulated, and has no contractual binding.

On the other hand this site does belong to a company that is still maintaining the information on an updated timely manner, there for their request of none usage, except by authorized individuals should be honored, and the copyright respected.

Understand that any usage of this site may be considered piracy. Weather.com has requested that we respect their information."

 

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Reply #224 Top

No need , just have to change "xoap" by "xml"

That fix is just a temporary solution for end-user and has nothing to go with what i say in #222 1°) 2°) 3°) 4°)

Reply #225 Top

1°) it's Stardock which should be THE Affiliated WTC partner because of purposing their widgets done with DesktopX, and not to skinners which are just an intermediary between Stardock and end-user (end-user which has not to register in any case by definition)

actually....Al Gore should be the TWC affiliate.....he invented the internet and Stardock's just an intemediary between the internet (Al Gore) and the end user......