Why are you a democrat?

What is it about democrats that is so appealing? Do some research into the party and you will find a snake pit of corruption, sexism, homophobia, and racism unparallel in politics. Hypocrisy unrivaled by any political party.

 

Civil rights was the enemy of the democrat party. I know this because I watched it happen.

 

Here is what the democrats did for civil rights. Medgar Evers was murdered by Byron De La Beck a prominent democrat and member in good standing with the KKK. While in jail he was visited by the governor of Mississippi to show his support for the man. The governor was also a prominent democrat.

 

Did you know that in the south you could not get elected to any office unless you were first a member in good standing with the KKK and then you had to be a democrat.

 

When there were civil rights marches in the south the good democrats would attack the people marching. They turned police dogs on the crowds and used fire hoses to break up the peaceful protests. This was all done by democrat officials. Yet they want you to believe it was the mean old republicans that were the ones doing this.

 

How about gay rights?

It was the democrats that tried to rid the city of gays in New York under the guise of family values. Yes, there was a republican mayor when the tipping point was reached but it was started by the previous democrat administration and continued by the democrat police chief.

 

It is fun to see how the democrats point to Senator Strom Thurmond as a republican racist. No one seems to remember that he was a member in good standing in the democrat party, left the party to run for president lost his bid then joined the Republican Party after he renounced racism as a condition of joining the party. Why is it that the democrats don’t demand this from their members?  Any democrat that was a member of the KKK has never had to renounce his allegiance to racism as a condition to being a member of the party. Hell, the Kennedy boys never had to repudiate their father who supported Adolf Hitler during the Second World War. Could it be that the democrats welcome the ideas of Hitler?

 

More racism:

During the 60’s and 70’s the welfare system was running out of people, they were getting jobs and leaving welfare. So the great idea was that people did not know what the government could do for them so they went out and recruited people to leave work and go on the public teat. Their reasoning was that poor and minorities could not cope with working for a living and needed government assistance to raise their quality of life. My sister was a licensed clinical psychologist with a disability was sucked into that and stayed on welfare until her death from her disability. My sister was borderline, she could work but did not have to because the family could take care of her. She reasoned why we should do it, when the government would do it. For others it was much worse. In order to get on welfare you could not have a stable family, the man had to leave in order to get this free money. The government took over as head of the house. Family break-ups were the rule of the day. This kept the family in need of the government.

 

Schools and racism: Instead of treating each school as either good or bad by the teachers teaching, poor schools were disadvantaged by the system because they got less money. Or so the lie goes. One of the best schools was an all black or at the time (negro) school in Washington D.C. they had ten year old school books yet were in the top 5% of the nation in academic achievement. I know this because my stepfather was one of those students tested. Once it became known that white kids in democrat areas were being bested by Negros we had federally mandated school bussing. This part is great instead of bussing white kids to black schools they bussed black kids to white schools. Your classmate is now ten miles away so if you needed to discuss class work or stay after school on a project you had to find your own way home. Get the kid up at 6AM to catch the bus and get you to a school by 8AM you are already up two hours before your class mates. Who has the advantage by the end of the day? The logical thing would be to keep the kids in a local school and demand more from the teachers. That was the purpose of no child left behind but it was written by Senator Ted (Adolf) Kennedy so it was doomed to fail. The Washington School system spends $14K per student per year and produced the lowest number of graduates per year. A private school, a moderately good private school charges between three and eight thousand a year per student with a 90 % graduation rate in the D.C. area. Smarter kids make for smarter citizens which make for a smarter electorate. Smart people are bad for crooked racist politicians. I went to private school because my mother, Single most of my life, my father died when I was four and my stepfather was worthless as a parent. She was a NYC cop and strict democrat. My aunt is now a retired school principal and a democrat. Her husband my uncle on my fathers side was the only republican I knew growing up. He was a cop and had a real estate business.

 

I sent my first child to school in India because they had better schools and drugs were not going to screw up his life. Out of my three children only one my daughter is a democrat, unwed mother and only the fact that she is not an American citizen keeps her off of welfare. She went to public school at the insistence of her mother. My youngest child was home schooled and will be starting his own business when he turns 22 this year. I hope and pray.

 

I am not saying that democrats are the root of all evil in the country. I just wonder why people flock to a party that is historically racist and corrupt.

 

So if you rely on the government to take care of you then you must be a liberal and they are recruiting again. If you want to stand on your own two feet and possibly fail a few times before you get rich you are a conservative. If you are on the fence you are most likely a republican.

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I am a conservitive. George Bush was a liberal just standing next to Mr. Obama he seemed conservative.

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At least Democrats don't claim to be the party of traditional family values.

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At least Democrats don't claim to be the party of traditional family values
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You're right they just value power and control. They could never claim any sort of moral values, very astute observation. :thumbsup:

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At least Democrats don't claim to be the party of traditional family values.
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How can they, there is nothing traditional, family oriented or valuable about them. Of course they claim to champion the poor, but a person is poor usually for specific reasons: uneducated, naturally stupid, and sheer dumb bad luck. Now if you are uneducated or naturally stupid then it's obvious why you vote Democrat, if its because of bad luck then you personally did not try hard enough afterwards and that makes it obvious why you voted for Democrats. Many consider me poor based on my income. Me? I think I am ok, good enough. Why I am not a Democrat? I strive for more, to do better, to continue forward, to stand up when ever I fall and to only accept assistance when the need is dire. These are not characteristics of a person who depends on Gov't assistance for permanent survival, with the exception of handicap people that is.

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Democrats have created a loyal voter base with the premise that people should deserve more, or "other," because of their skin color, or gender, (if it's in the minority).  Non-minorities tend to go democrat because they believe they are enlightened, but when I really talk to them, it seems to be that it is really because they feel guilty for not being a minority.

But then, I can't really stand "the other" party either.  :D

 

 

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but a person is poor usually for specific reasons: uneducated, naturally stupid, and sheer dumb bad luck
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oversimplifying much, aren't we? I stayed a year with a lady in Iowa as an exchange student who was poor but not for any of those reasons. She worked hard all her life, is educated and smart.. and still, she is poor. Seems that whole ideal of the American Dream - all you have to do is work hard and you can make it, and if you didn't then a) god hates you or b] you didn't work hard enough or a) + b] is a convenient excuse to lobby for not helping those who need it because they can pull themselves out of the pit on their hair alone - that's what the american dream is all about after all, according to you.

 

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There's no such thing as traditional family values.

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oversimplifying much, aren't we? I stayed a year with a lady in Iowa as an exchange student who was poor but not for any of those reasons. She worked hard all her life, is educated and smart.. and still, she is poor. Seems that whole ideal of the American Dream - all you have to do is work hard and you can make it, and if you didn't then a) god hates you or b] you didn't work hard enough or a) + b] is a convenient excuse to lobby for not helping those who need it because they can pull themselves out of the pit on their hair alone - that's what the american dream is all about after all, according to you.
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I may be oversimplifying, but polls, test and scientific research are not based on a single situation to yield a result. Like this lady, I too am pretty smart (you'd be surprised what I can do with computers) and am a hard worker. The only thing I lack is a college degree. And yet by many standards I am poor. I attribute it in part to bad luck but mostly for not trying hard enough and for making poor choices. The American Dream is possible, it all depends on how high you put this dream.

Not everyone can become a millionaire, but then is that really everyones goal? Does every person need 3 or 4 bedroom houses? Do people need BMW's, Mercedes Benz and Mustangs? Do people need 50 plus inch TVs and 150 HD channels? Do people need to have a PS3, xBox 360, Nintendo Wii, PSP, Nintendo DS all at the same time? Do people really need iPhones and Palm Pres just for everyday non-business use?

The problem with our country is not that people can't reach the American Dream, it's that too many people place this dream to high for them to reach and when they try to reach it when they can't they end up worse than when they started.

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At least Democrats don't claim to be the party of traditional family values.
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That is because they are not. While the republicans do champion family values, I know you are trying to bait me so you can come back and list all the bad things some republicans have done. What you blind yourself to is the fact that we know we are not perfect but we strive to keep our word and our values. You seem to be happy with a party that lies at the drop of a poll number and you don’t care that they lie to you. What does that say about you and the party you are affiliated with?

There's no such thing as traditional family values.
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I can see how you believe this. The people you hang out with most likely feel the same way. Tell me, do you have thanksgiving dinner with your family, do you celebrate big religious holydays with your family? Do you have a family tradition that is passed down from generation to generation? If not then I feel sorry for you because you have nothing to cling to that connects you to your roots. There are some things I will not go beyond because of my values, I will not cheat, steal, murder or take advantage of the weak. We have traditional family meals, turkey for thanksgiving and steak and lobster for Christmas. We celebrate Passover and give thanks to God for everything God has given us good and bad. You find this silly but it is our tradition our family our values. They don’t have to be yours but you should have some unless you are valueless making your family what?

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The problem with our country is not that people can't reach the American Dream, it's that too many people place this dream to high for them to reach and when they try to reach it when they can't they end up worse than when they started.
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IMO I think it works more like this. The "Ideal" is out there, call it the American Dream if it suits. The thing is on the path to getting there are all these little diversions. Some are events that arise, some are unavoidable, many are due to our own laziness. The person that can minimize the negative effects of these diversions best will make it to their "Ideal". And your right Charles, it doesn't have to be millions of dollars, I assume most want to be comfortable.

Some might say a person did everything right, now the economy is bad, they are retired and lost all their retirement savings. My answer: You don't stop being responsible once you retire. It's a full time job until you kick the bucket. The people that lost their retirement while retired or shortly before retiring, god love em, fell into two diversions, laziness and complacency. Money should have been moved from stocks and 401k's five years prior to retirement (+ or - depending on market trends) to bonds or high ye id saving accounts. People see their stocks going up and let it ride hoping to cash in even bigger. You don't do that when you are about to retire. I don't feel sorry for those that fall into this group.

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In my opinion, this article is filled with so much bias and feigned neutrality, that I'm just going to reply to this with two things:

 

1. To each their own.

2. All parties are guilty of these things, especially change and expediency; try looking at history.The republicans are no exception.

The people that lost their retirement while retired or shortly before retiring, god love em, fell into two diversions, laziness and complacency. Money should have been moved from stocks and 401k's five years prior to retirement (+ or - depending on market trends) to bonds or high ye id saving accounts.
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1. How so?

2. What about those who will: A ) Have no retirement (lost it, etc.)  B ) Have only social security and will bring home less than 600 a month?

 

 

Be well, ~Alderic

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2. What about those who will: A ) Have no retirement (lost it, etc.) B ) Have only social security and will bring home less than 600 a month?
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To them, I'd say, "What the hell did you do with your life the 65-70 years before you retired?"

Just how does one "lose" their retirement? I suppose if you keep it in a mattress, and there is a fire. That's stupidity. How about one of the favorites, they got sick and the bills ate up their savings. Any good plan for retirement should include both health and life insurance. But you lose your health insurance you say. Then file bankruptcy, you still get to keep your home. If you are over 65 you have Medicare.

The problem is too many people are making too many excuses for too many irresponsible people. Now there are always exceptions to the rule, these folks do have avenues available to them. 99% of the problem could be resolved with personal responsibility. If you're still working as the fry guy at Mc Donald's and your 60 years old, you didn't plan your life very well. I personally put 10% or more of my income away for my retirement. I couldn't always do this in the past. Now I don't have a big flat screen TV (I'd like one). How many people that say they can't afford to save money, own a big screen TV? Plenty, I'm sure. I'm not without compassion, but we all make our life choices. Accountability is required.

So, anyone that doesn't plan for their old age can't be too responsible can they? Maybe you think it's a good idea for responsible people to take care of those who can't or won't. Here's an analogy you can probably understand since you are attending school. Some college students probably won't repay their loans so it is only right that the rest of paying students assume the cost. Maybe Dr. Loan Fudger will give you a discount on your next physical.

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To them, I'd say, "What the hell did you do with your life the 65-70 years before you retired?"

Just how does one "lose" their retirement? I suppose if you keep it in a mattress, and there is a fire. That's stupidity. How about one of the favorites, they got sick and the bills ate up their savings. Any good plan for retirement should include both health and life insurance. But you lose your health insurance you say. Then file bankruptcy, you still get to keep your home. If you are over 65 you have Medicare.

The problem is too many people are making too many excuses for too many irresponsible people. Now there are always exceptions to the rule, these folks do have avenues available to them. 99% of the problem could be resolved with personal responsibility. If you're still working as the fry guy at Mc Donald's and your 60 years old, you didn't plan your life very well. I personally put 10% or more of my income away for my retirement. I couldn't always do this in the past. Now I don't have a big flat screen TV (I'd like one). How many people that say they can't afford to save money, own a big screen TV? Plenty, I'm sure. I'm not without compassion, but we all make our life choices. Accountability is required.

So, anyone that doesn't plan for their old age can't be too responsible can they? Maybe you think it's a good idea for responsible people to take care of those who can't or won't. Here's an analogy you can probably understand since you are attending school. Some college students probably won't repay their loans so it is only right that the rest of paying students assume the cost. Maybe Dr. Loan Fudger will give you a discount on your next physical.
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Say someone with a degree in office management, dental hygene and  business - numerous years running an extension clinic for a hospital, plus suprvising positions at various companies,who put together a curriculum for a school and got it running, and so on so forth.

Despite this, they got screwed over and lost everything in 2001: their job, benefits, house, etc. They've spent the last 8 years rebuilding, but have yet to make any headway save having a roof over their head. (Not that that is bad) They're unable to get a job, though they're qualified, because of various reasons...namely...in 2001 they were in their mid/early 50s.

 

Then?

 

 

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I know you are trying to bait me
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This article is bait. It also shows what many bloggers are guilty of: delusions of grandeur.

 

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it is our tradition our family our values. They don’t have to be yours
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Which proves what I said. There are too many for any one to be traditional.

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Say someone with a degree in office management, dental hygene and business - numerous years running an extension clinic for a hospital, plus suprvising positions at various companies,who put together a curriculum for a school and got it running, and so on so forth.

Despite this, they got screwed over and lost everything in 2001: their job, benefits, house, etc. They've spent the last 8 years rebuilding, but have yet to make any headway save having a roof over their head. (Not that that is bad) They're unable to get a job, though they're qualified, because of various reasons...namely...in 2001 they were in their mid/early 50s.
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You don't say how they got "screwed over", but here is what I'd have to ask. Why would anyone put everything on the line in a business venture when they are in their mid 50's.? Never gamble what you can't afford to lose. This person sounds like they have some marketable skills, and it is tough starting over. I started my second career at age 42, but I didn't hawk my home to do it.  College education is great, but it doesn't make a person street smart. I'd have to say, with the limited info you supplied, this person made some poor choices in order to lose absolutely everything.

BTW, some advice for you and anyone else. For most folks their home is their "retirement investment". Doesn't it make séance to protect your investment? With income protection insurance on mortgages these days, you can have up to usually a year of protection. Avoid a second mortgage, most people get them with the intent of consolidating bills, but end up running up the bills anyway. You should have enough put aside for at least 6 months of expenses, state unemployment checks aren't that big, so get your @ss job hunting as soon as possible. Don't be afraid to take a job that you feel is beneath you, it's much easier to look for a better job while you're actively employed. Your wasting your time if your waiting for your dream job to knock on the door. Live within your means, even when times are good, that's the time to put some away.

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This article is bait. It also shows what many bloggers are guilty of: delusions of grandeur.
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I have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain.

Which proves what I said. There are too many for any one to be traditional.
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That is why it is pluralized “values” I think you are under the misunderstanding that there has to be one tradition one value that all must observe and since there is not then it must be a lie. If that is what you think then you have been misled by your parents and your teachers and anyone around you that you learned from. This nation is a melting pot of cultures and beliefs. This country stands united because it does not try to force one belief down everyone’s throat save the freedom to seek Life, Liberty, and Happiness. You are not promised to have them but you are free to seek them. If you are raised by idiots you are free to be an idiot. Not you personally. You also have the freedom to grow and learn and become what you want to be.

This was not to bait you it was to ask why you want to be associated with a party that as a tradition hates people? Discriminates against people. Tries to destroy rather than build. As a former conservative democrat, I wonder why more people have not gotten that the party is run by racist, bigoted, homophobe, sexist hateful people. Just because they say they are a big tent party does not make it so. If you are prolife you are told to shut up and sit down, if you believe that people are free to make mistakes and own up to those mistakes you are told to sit down and shut up. They want your vote, your financial support but not your values. Look at what they did to Senator Lieberman. He was there choice for Vice-president of the United States. How did they portray him? A Jew that is a democrat. When the race was lost and 9/11 occurred he was all for going to war to fight the people that attacked us. He was prolife. He was forced out of the party. Where is the big tent. Where is the acceptance that allows for differing views?

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I have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain
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A lot of bloggers seem to think that someone important is reading their crap and will base their decisions on what was posted.

why you want to be associated with a party that as a tradition hates people?
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A stupid question, considering that Republicans have been corrupt, racist, homophobic, superstitious hypocrites. I think you're intelligent enough to know that both sides are guilty of wrongdoing. That's why this article is unnecessary bait.

The Republican party is going the way of the Wigs.

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That is why it is pluralized “values” I think you are under the misunderstanding that there has to be one tradition one value that all must observe and since there is not then it must be a lie.
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Then why did you use the plural here?

our tradition our family our values. They don’t have to be yours but you should have some
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why you want to be associated with a party that as a tradition hates people?
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Speaking only for myself, I hate polarizing, partisan assholes like you.

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You don't say how they got "screwed over", but here is what I'd have to ask. Why would anyone put everything on the line in a business venture when they are in their mid 50's.? Never gamble what you can't afford to lose. This person sounds like they have some marketable skills, and it is tough starting over. I started my second career at age 42, but I didn't hawk my home to do it. College education is great, but it doesn't make a person street smart. I'd have to say, with the limited info you supplied, this person made some poor choices in order to lose absolutely everything.

BTW, some advice for you and anyone else. For most folks their home is their "retirement investment". Doesn't it make séance to protect your investment? With income protection insurance on mortgages these days, you can have up to usually a year of protection. Avoid a second mortgage, most people get them with the intent of consolidating bills, but end up running up the bills anyway. You should have enough put aside for at least 6 months of expenses, state unemployment checks aren't that big, so get your @ss job hunting as soon as possible. Don't be afraid to take a job that you feel is beneath you, it's much easier to look for a better job while you're actively employed. Your wasting your time if your waiting for your dream job to knock on the door. Live within your means, even when times are good, that's the time to put some away.
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They lived within their means, and lost everything due to a divorce settlement that forced them to sell their home. (Pretty much due to state marriage laws).

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A lot of bloggers seem to think that someone important is reading their crap and will base their decisions on what was posted.
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I do believe some important people read what I write. You and the others that join me in discussion are important people. I post my beliefs and debate them. Some fall flat others take off in directions I never thought of.

Then why did you use the plural here?
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Because the values are based on family, how you are raised, where you are raised. I was raised in a small town called New York City. we did not lock our doors till everyone was home. we ate dinner together when work schedules allowed. I never knew that America was larger than the state of New York. I would visit a cousin in Pennsylvania and would refer to New York as "in America". in my aunts house sandwiches were not allowed, if you wanted to eat someone would cook a meal for you. Once, and only once in her lifetime did she allow sandwiches and that was a day we were heading back to New York and needed them for the trip. She died when I was in my 40's so in the time I knew her she only once allowed the treat of sandwiches. That is a family value. It was very special for my cousin and she still brings it up when the family comes together. Family that sits down to share time and food. That is not in every family, but it is important to those that see it as love and togetherness.  

Speaking only for myself, I hate polarizing, partisan assholes like you.
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That is a good one. Thanks I needed a good laugh, it was funny how after I ask how one would want to associate themselves with a group that hates you turn around and hate me for asking the question. Seriously, are you going to answer the question or leave with a joke?

They lived within their means, and lost everything due to a divorce settlement that forced them to sell their home. (Pretty much due to state marriage laws).
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Alderic, based on this they chose to go broke. There were ways to divorce without going into the poor house.

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Alderic, based on this they chose to go broke. There were ways to divorce without going into the poor house.
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How so? Even when the laws dictate the other spouse gets 85% of everything?

 

Because the values are based on family, how you are raised, where you are raised.
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Yes and no. I agree that they influence people to a great extent, but you can also get them elsewhere. Then again, it still comes down to influence by others.

 

 

 

 

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What I find interesting is the assumption that being a Democrat or Republican somehow decides on wehther you are an American or not. From the outside, both look pretty much the same. The ones I know personally are always proud of their country, love BBQ, are proud of their military, friendly, helpful, love big cars, are passionate about what they believe and some  try to sell you anything (yankee stereotype a la PT Barnum). Really, the stereotypical american is apolitical, loves McDonalds and thinks that sports where you don't score several points for something are dull.

Alot of debates seeem to be about how being a conservative or a liberal is like living in different galaxies and (since most of you are Conservative it seems) how the liberals are NOT american in the sense that they want to destroy good american values and turn your country into a expletive socialist nation .. can't see that one from where I am at all though.

And one thing I haven`t seen anywhere is a concrete plan on how the Republicans would have saved the banks and your automible industry and got things back up and working again. It is always easier to complain than having a better idea (and alot more fun when you don't have the responsibility).

Cheers from old Europe

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It is always easier to complain than having a better idea (and alot more fun when you don't have the responsibility).
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Well said.

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And one thing I haven`t seen anywhere is a concrete plan on how the Republicans would have saved the banks and your automible industry and got things back up and working again.
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They never should have been saved. It was unprecedented in to do so in all of American history. Investors are insured on their savings, so the average Joe is protected. Companies have been going bankrupt since such a thing came into existence. Many companies that go bankruptcy come back and do well. You may recall a little thing call the Dot Com bubble of 2000-2001, many of those companies vanished into thin air. Jobs were lost, Stock and 401k plans lost money (I lost 50% more money then than now, and I didn't have any tech stocks). Nobody was crying for a bailout. The economy eventually recovered under the evil Bush tax cuts. The DOW was over 12000, then the Democrats gained the Congress in 2006 and IMO everything went to hell in a hand basket ever since. Barney Frank (D) sought and received support to give people that could not afford a home, the opportunity to buy. Sounds great, right? It was all the people that previously displayed no responsibility, rushed to buy homes they knew they could never afford, and greedy lenders were eager to comply.

So in answer to your observation, government shouldn't get involved in areas it has little understanding of. It often causes problems (good intentions and all) and rarely solves them. Government started this problem. Why do you feel that the Democrats throwing money at a problem they were complicit in to start with, is OK just because it;s doing something? I'm sure you wouldn't let your mailman plan your financial future would you? These are politicians, it;s easy for them to make choices with other folks money. Many can't manage their own financial affairs. The less they do the better the rest of us fair.