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Palin Resigns as Govenor

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Palin Resigns as Govenor

Embattled Pol Steps Down

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On the first day of the long 4th of July Holiday weekend, a day no doubt chosen to minimize press scrutiny, Sarah Palin announced that she would serve out her elected term of office, but would instead turn the reins over to the state's Lieutenant Governor, Sean Parnell. She stated in her resignation speech that one of the factors motivating her resignation was the high cost to both the state and to the Palin family of defending her against the 15 ethics complaints that had been brought against her in the two and and a half years since she had assumed office and added that her continued service would not be "best for Alaska." (I am only quoting part of her remarks, but lest I be accused of taking them out of context, please see http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/2009/07/full-text-of-palins-resignation-speech.php for the complete and unedited transcript of her speech.)

Ms. Palin's resignation came one day after MSNBC journalist Keith Olbermann had published a series of emails in which then Govenor Palin had tried to get John McCain's campaign manager, Steve Schmidt, to lie on her behalf during the last campaign in order to cover up Todd Palin's long-time membership in the secessionist Alaska Independence Party:

"Please get in front of that ridiculous issue that's cropped up all day today - two reporters, a protester's sign, and many shout-outs all claiming Todd's involvement in an anti-American political party. It's bull, and I don't want to have to keep reacting to it...Pls have statement given on this so it's put to bed."
[October 15th 2008, Gov Palin email to Steve Schmidt, Source CBS News]

"Ignore it. He was a member of the AIP? My understanding is yes. That is part of their platform. Do not engage the protesters. If a reporter asks say it is ridiculous. Todd loves America."
[October 15th 2008, Steve Schmidt email to Gov. Palin, Source CBS News]

"That's not part of their platform and he was only a member BC Independent Alaskans too often check that Alaska Independent box on voter registrations thinking it just means non partisan. He caught his error when changing our address and checked the right box. I still want it fixed."
[October 15th 2008, Gov. Palin email to Steve Schmidt, Source CBS News]

"Secession, it is their entire reason for existence. A cursory examination of the website shows that the party exists for the purpose of seceding from the Union. That is the stated goal on the front page of the website. Our records indicate that Todd was a member for seven years. If this is incorrect then we need to understand the discrepancy. The statement you are suggesting be released would be inaccurate. [sic] The inaccuracy [sic] would bring greater media attention to this matter and be a distraction. According to your staff there have been no media inquiries into this and you received no questions about it during your interviews. If you are asked about it you should smile and say many Alaskans who love their country join the party because it speaks [sic] to a tradition of political independence. Todd loves his country. We will not put out a statement and inflame this and create a situation where John has to address this."
[October 15th 2008, Steve Schmidt email to Gov. Palin, Source CBS News]

Recently, she has even come under fire from Conservative columnists and bloggers. For example, this post comes from the Drudge Report site commenting onthe recent Vanity Fair article "It Came From Wasilla": "Despite her disastrous performance in the 2008 election, Sarah Palin is still the sexiest brand in Republican politics, with a lucrative book contract for her story. But what Alaska's charismatic governor wants the public to know about herself doesn't always jibe with reality."

Charles Krauthammer speaking on Fox News more or less completely dismissed Me. Palin her as a seriousl candidate for President:

"Now, as to Palin, I agree entirely with what Mara [Liasson] said -- she is, she has star power without any doubt, she has an extremely devoted following, but she is not a serious candidate for the presidency."

"She had to go home and study and spend a lot of the time on issues with which she was not adept last year. And she hasn't."

"She has to stop speaking in cliches and platitudes. It won't work. It could work for eight weeks if you're the No. 2 candidate, as she was last year. But even so, she got singed a lot in that campaign. You cannot sustain a campaign of platitudes and clichés over a year and a half if you’re running for the presidency."

Having stepped down as Govenor of Alaska, she has more or less lost her platform for any Presidential attempt. I am certain that she will still make an attempt at the office, further widening the divide between economic and political conservatives and social conservatives. And as a Liberal Democrat, I must acknowledge that I welcome the divisiveness that she will bring to the primaries.

How long, would you guess, before Sarah Palin is the host of a right-wing talk show?

 

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

Btw...Nitro - I read that link, and admit that, while I do not apologize for my beliefs, I was wrong; I apologize for my largely knee jerk reaction.
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There's others, I don't feel like digging threw them. also, I'm not looking for an apology.

I really doubt you know my attitude by the little I write on JU, by your word, that would be presumptuous. I'm not your enemy. If what I say makes a spark inside your brain go off, good because now your thinking. Am I bothered if you or anyone else agree with me, no, I've had both agreements and disagreements with others here that you would also consider conservatives. Some liberals too. BTW the terms liberal and conservative are not derogatory in my vernacular. Sorry if your offended, but that's your problem. I think anyone that reads what I write would agree that I'm a conservative, so do you suggest I try to "liberal" up my writing to appease folks so inclined? I'll continue to call a spade a spade when I so choose.

I'm glad you have beliefs, I'm not suggesting you don't or that they mirror my own. I've killed my share of threads. JU is an escape, it's not my life. If you let it consume you, you'll be a basket case long before you reach my age.

Try this. Take all the blogs you have written or responded to and save them to a file. Twenty years from now, take them out and read them again. I'm betting you'll surprise yourself, on what you thought was important to what was.

Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top

With that said please show me how NC's comment was directed towards you?
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AD that's what I thought, thanks for the feedback.:D

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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top

There's others, I don't feel like digging threw them. also, I'm not looking for an apology.
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Mmm, things have been particularly crappy lately, and though I'm not excusing my letting my mood dictate things, it's a starting point and all.

 

I really doubt you know my attitude by the little I write on JU, by your word, that would be presumptuous. I'm not your enemy. If what I say makes a spark inside your brain go off, good because now your thinking. Am I bothered if you or anyone else agree with me, no, I've had both agreements and disagreements with others here that you would also consider conservatives. Some liberals too
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All anyone can do here, on the net, is infer, and I infered through your comments what I felt was an attitude where liberals and their kind are stupid, assinine, et al.

 

 

BTW the terms liberal and conservative are not derogatory in my vernacular. Sorry if your offended, but that's your problem. I think anyone that reads what I write would agree that I'm a conservative, so do you suggest I try to "liberal" up my writing to appease folks so inclined? I'll continue to call a spade a spade when I so choose.
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I'm not offended, just annoyed and irritable. I find name calling, and other...things similar to be quite silly to say the least. I mean, and maybe it is just me, but when there is a debate...why degrade others? Like, "Oooh, those stupid liberals are afraid of _____" That's what it came across as. Granted, I was incorrect, but can you fault a fella for stuff like that?

On the contrary, you are who you are and I wouldn't want you to change. Likewise, I am who I am - despite others opinions - and I won't change, save for changing for the better. You know? Perhaps, the case is that just as how you (and/or others) have viewed me as being: A) An obama arse kisser B) Liberal loony C) Meglomaniac D) prone to victim mentality (the list, unfortunately, goes on) - I incorrectly viewed your actions as implying one thing or another.

 

Try this. Take all the blogs you have written or responded to and save them to a file. Twenty years from now, take them out and read them again. I'm betting you'll surprise yourself, on what you thought was important to what was.
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I see where you're going with it, and I do back them all up.

 

If you let it consume you, you'll be a basket case long before you reach my age.
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Hmm, wise words, and something I've had on my mind for a week or so. I'll definitely keep it in mind.

 

Be well, ~Alderic

 

Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top

There's others, I don't feel like digging threw them. also, I'm not looking for an apology.
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I still owe it to myself and you to own up/take responsibility.

Reply #30 from PolMach Forums Top

I only wonder what her next move is. She is essentially the poster woman for the republican party. Strong, intelligent, hockeymom, hunting, gun totin' republican

Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top

I only wonder what her next move is. She is essentially the poster woman for the republican party.

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I hadn't realised that the situation is that bad.

 

Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top

All anyone can do here, on the net, is infer, and I infered through your comments what I felt was an attitude where liberals and their kind are stupid, assinine, et al.
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Why do you feel the need to infer something on a comment that wasn't directed to you?

Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top

Why do you feel the need to infer something on a comment that wasn't directed to you?
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If you're implying this thread...actually that coment he made on reply #26 was in response to my saying:

Btw...Nitro - I read that link, and admit that, while I do not apologize for my beliefs, I was wrong; I apologize for my largely knee jerk reaction.
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Otherwise...because I want to.

 

 

 

Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top

Otherwise...because I want to.
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And that's precisely why you find and will find yourself feeling like people are attacking you.  It makes you come off as being petulent and leaves an ill taste in people's mouths.  You stated in another thread that people were wrong to think of you as being petulent (or something similar) but you continue to show this trait to the JU World.  Unless you change this behavior people will continue to think this.


Hopefully you find this constructive?

 

Good Day.

Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top

AD, the comment was directed AT ME. So I had every right (or whatever you want to call it) to reply to it. Honestly, I doubt anyone would change their belief of me. I'm just going to be who I am, and live life.Yeah, I find it irritating, but it is what it is. I have no qualms or regrets concerning who I am and if people don't see it or I'm not getting it acros, then that's the case. 

That being said, mind continuing/expounding this in a pm?

Be well, ~A

 

Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top

AD, the comment was directed AT ME. So I had every right (or whatever you want to call it) to reply to it. Honestly, I doubt anyone would change their belief of me. I'm just going to be who I am, and live life.Yeah, I find it irritating, but it is what it is. I have no qualms or regrets concerning who I am and if people don't see it or I'm not getting it acros, then that's the case.

That being said, mind continuing/expounding this in a pm?

Be well, ~A
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If you can prove to me that Nitro wrote that directly towards you (the self-proclaimed libertarian), I am all ears (publically or PM).

If you have something else to PM me about, feel free to do so.

Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top

 

My comment in response to his link.

Btw...Nitro - I read that link, and admit that, while I do not apologize for my beliefs, I was wrong; I apologize for my largely knee jerk reaction.



~A
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His reply to my comment on his link.

Btw...Nitro - I read that link, and admit that, while I do not apologize for my beliefs, I was wrong; I apologize for my largely knee jerk reaction.
There's others, I don't feel like digging threw them. also, I'm not looking for an apology.

I really doubt you know my attitude by the little I write on JU, by your word, that would be presumptuous. I'm not your enemy. If what I say makes a spark inside your brain go off, good because now your thinking. Am I bothered if you or anyone else agree with me, no, I've had both agreements and disagreements with others here that you would also consider conservatives. Some liberals too. BTW the terms liberal and conservative are not derogatory in my vernacular. Sorry if your offended, but that's your problem. I think anyone that reads what I write would agree that I'm a conservative, so do you suggest I try to "liberal" up my writing to appease folks so inclined? I'll continue to call a spade a spade when I so choose.

I'm glad you have beliefs, I'm not suggesting you don't or that they mirror my own. I've killed my share of threads. JU is an escape, it's not my life. If you let it consume you, you'll be a basket case long before you reach my age.

Try this. Take all the blogs you have written or responded to and save them to a file. Twenty years from now, take them out and read them again. I'm betting you'll surprise yourself, on what you thought was important to what was.
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Hence, he replied to my comment. I infered that since he was replying to my comment, and his wording implied a direct comment toward me....then he was commenting at me.

 

That's what I'm talking about, perhaps you're talking about a different comment?

Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top

When this news broke, I was helping my daughter move and away from computers, the TV.

I'm a fan of Palin and think she made the right decision about resigning as it was costing the Alaskan taxpayers bigtime. It costs nothing for her political enemies to wage ethics complaints against her, (of which most have been dismissed with no findings of wrong-doings) while hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend herself.

While liberals would count her out as far as a possible candidate for 2012, that remains to be seen. There is plenty of time for her and that to develop and I'm sure we haven't heard or seen the last of it. She's just too popular, still has lots of potential amongst the conservatives and can speak from the heart....

 

 

 

 

 

Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'm a fan of Palin and think she made the right decision about resigning as it was costing the Alaskan taxpayers bigtime. It costs nothing for her political enemies to wage ethics complaints against her, (of which most have been dismissed with no findings of wrong-doings) while hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend herself.

While liberals would count her out as far as a possible candidate for 2012, that remains to be seen. There is plenty of time for her and that to develop and I'm sure we haven't heard or seen the last of it. She's just too popular, still has lots of potential amongst the conservatives and can speak from the heart....

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Lula, I hear ya. 

The problem I see is, does this set a precendent?  Don't get me wrong I think it is noble that she doesn't want to continue spending money but does this really stop those that continue to file ethics complaints?  I'm not convinced.

I think she is planning more to run for President and that's the primary reason for leaving the Governor's office.

I would like to see SOME judicial system here in the US begin to start looking at cases like this.  If you file a civil suit against someone or corp and you lose, the plantiff should pay the defender the amount (time or money) the plantiff was suing for. 

It disheartens me to see the innocent still lose as a result of fincial strain.  Remember the judge that sued the cleaners for losing his pants?  Yep had to close their doors and file bankruptsy even AFTER they won that suit.

Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'm a fan of Palin and think she made the right decision about resigning as it was costing the Alaskan taxpayers bigtime. It costs nothing for her political enemies to wage ethics complaints against her, (of which most have been dismissed with no findings of wrong-doings) while hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend herself.
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I don't condone revenge, which could be the motive for some of the complaints, but it isn't like she can't afford it. btw, it looks like she's been implicated. I guess we'll see what is what soon.

Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top

I don't condone revenge, which could be the motive for some of the complaints, but it isn't like she can't afford it.

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Ethics complaints should be regarded as valid or invalid depending on their validity, not on whether the accused can "afford it".

I don't particularly like Sarah Palin, but those complaints seem ridiculous. I can't imagine that she is worse than most other politicians. In fact I think she is an example for a more honest and open politician.

I still don't like her though.

 

Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top

it looks like she's been implicated
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  As usual, assuming that just because her enemies claim to smell smoke, there must be fire.

Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top

I don't condone revenge, which could be the motive for some of the complaints, but it isn't like she can't afford it.
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Ultimately AJ, you ARE condoning something worse than revenge!  You are essentially condoning frivilous lawsuits by justifying that a defendent can afford it.  Where is the justice in that?  Who gets to decide who can and cannot afford frivilous lawsuits? 

 

 

Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top

As usual, assuming that just because her enemies claim to smell smoke, there must be fire.
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>_> Daiwa, there's a reason I wrote, "It looks like." I was implying just that, it looks like it. I don't know if that's the case, but time will tell whether they can prove it. Do I now have to put disclaimers? Seriously, come on.

 

Ethics complaints should be regarded as valid or invalid depending on their validity, not on whether the accused can "afford it".

I don't particularly like Sarah Palin, but those complaints seem ridiculous. I can't imagine that she is worse than most other politicians. In fact I think she is an example for a more honest and open politician.

I still don't like her though.
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Exactly, based on the evidence.

Are you saying I implied that she's guilty because she can afford it? Seriously?! I'm saying that she has (so far as i know) the where-with-all to deal with the financial burden of such a thing.

 

 

Ultimately AJ, you ARE condoning something worse than revenge! You are essentially condoning frivilous lawsuits by justifying that a defendent can afford it. Where is the justice in that? Who gets to decide who can and cannot afford frivilous lawsuits?
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AD, you're being thick. Tell me, how do you connect the aspect of her being able to afford it, with the validity of the suit? They have nothing in common mate. I don't know where you're coming from, but you're comparing apples and oranges.

Fact of the matter is, I believe that looking into ethics violations is valid thing to do. If you have reason to believe and/or evidence that someone did something, then you should look into it.

Seriously...wtf

 

 

Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top

Exactly what 'looks like'?  You have to base that on something, and that something is that you believe it, based on the accusation alone.

Seriously.

Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top

Exactly what 'looks like'? You have to base that on something, and that something is that you believe it, based on the accusation alone.

Seriously.
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I'm basing it on the fact that it has been claimed that an independent investigator has evidence that implicates her. So, logically, if there *is* evidence, then...xyz. I'm not saying she is automatically guilty, though if the evidence supposibly points to that case. Maybe she is, or maybe she is not. All one can do is infer based on what is known, and hopefully we'll know more later down the road as the investigation progresses.

 

Be well, ~Alderic

 

Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top

AD, you're being thick. Tell me, how do you connect the aspect of her being able to afford it, with the validity of the suit? They have nothing in common mate. I don't know where you're coming from, but you're comparing apples and oranges.

Fact of the matter is, I believe that looking into ethics violations is valid thing to do. If you have reason to believe and/or evidence that someone did something, then you should look into it.

Seriously...wtf
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AJ, do I seriously need to break down your comment for you to see it? 

"I don't condone revenge, which could be the motive for some of the complaints, but it isn't like she can't afford it. btw, it looks like she's been implicated. I guess we'll see what is what soon."

Your initial statement is "I don't condone revenge" which I agree states that you disagree with revenge, your usage of but leaves the door open for the exception clause.  So you don't condone revenge (taken from the first part) yet you say it isn't like she can't afford it.  Basic logical progression results in, that as long as one can afford it, then you condone revenge. 

Make sense now?

Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top

Your initial statement is "I don't condone revenge" which I agree states that you disagree with revenge, your usage of but leaves the door open for the exception clause. So you don't condone revenge (taken from the first part) yet you say it isn't like she can't afford it. Basic logical progression results in, that as long as one can afford it, then you condone revenge.

Make sense now?
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I just wanted to make sure I was seeing things from your pov right; sometimes I get things turned around in my head where logic doesn't come out the other end right side up, you know? Not that I can't think rationally/logically, I just have...mental overheating, sometimes. =\ Anyways, that being said...All right, I see how it was misconstrued. My wording was off, because I didn't intend to imply that I agree with frivilous lawsuits and all. I just was saying that while i disagree with them, given that they're happening, im sure palin could handle it. She always seems to bounce back/she's capable.

My bad on my fault with this. ~Alderic

 

Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top

I just wanted to make sure I was seeing things from your pov right; sometimes I get things turned around in my head where logic doesn't come out the other end right side up, you know? Not that I can't think rationally/logically, I just have...mental overheating, sometimes. =\ Anyways, that being said...All right, I see how it was misconstrued. My wording was off, because I didn't intend to imply that I agree with frivilous lawsuits and all. I just was saying that while i disagree with them, given that they're happening, im sure palin could handle it. She always seems to bounce back/she's capable.

My bad on my fault with this. ~Alderic
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Ah, now I understand. :)

Do you agree with the notion that any plaintiff that brings a suit against someone (ethics or civil suit) and the plaintiff loses that the plantiff should pay (time or money) equally as much as they were suiing for?

Reply #50 from Stardock Forums Top

I think it's pretty obvious what's happening here.  Palin is receiving all these trumped up ethics violations to disuade her from running.  Obviously she is a threat or they would leave her alone.  They continue to harass her in hopes of breaking her or ruining her financially, politically, emotionally or whatever.   Happens all the time, like AD mentioned about the Judge and the cleaners. 

I have a friend who happens to be a very conservative op/ed columnist.  Over the years he's come down hard on the homosexual agenda, way before we started describing it this way.  Anyway the homosexuals started to pool their resources and take him to court over stupid frivolous reasons.  I remember he told me one time it involved his dog walking on one of their lawns.  All of the lawsuits were thrown out.    My friend won them all.  But that wasn't the point.  The point was to break him financially so that he would stop writing against them in his weekly columns.  They had money and he had limited resources, and they knew it. 

That's exactly what's happening here with Palin.  Old trick, different set of characters.