Is it really that hard to put 'premade' or 'PreM' in the title of your game?  Trust me, your complaints will end after that, but so will your high win rate, which you probably care more about.

I always appreciate it when hosts include premade in the title, it helps me ignore that game when I play solo.  When I have one or two of my buddies on Ventrilo playing with me I don't mind a fun challenge, I do not concern myself about my W-L ratio.

I play 9pm PST time, so a few hours after you wicked.  However if I see you online when I jump on I will "attempt" to use the lame in games friends system to contact you, we'll see if we can get in a game

My last loss was a premade.

I've stated that I havn't, and retracted my comments on that. I was wrong. I don't see how thats the premade's fault though, the focus should be on stardock there.

So you wouldn't have to come crying to the boards? 

To be honest I had nothing better to do.

I wish I had some friends so I could grow up to be a pre-made Lolz!

Most of the people who join lobbies to whine about it are, actually.

Just because people are playing together doesn't mean they're coming up with ridiculous multi-dg strategies to crush scrubs, most people just play a Demigod they'll enjoy.

I use the Custom Game browser to find other Australians for less laggy games than either Skirmish or Patheon will provide as they often lump me in with Americans and Europeans, with our in game pings climbing over the 450 mark in some games.

Let me get this straight... You're saying that *only* premades should play custom games?

So much for trying to get a low ping game. So much for trying to get a 3v3 game. So much for... O forget it.

Theres nothing inherantly wrong with premades, in fact, they are playing the game the way it was meant to be played, and have been greatly failed by GPG for lack of a team pantheon.

However, there is something very wrong with premades who go out of their way to disguise it. Anyone who does that is just inflating their record and ego by stomping pug teams in meaningless games that nontheless tick their record up +1. This can be as simple as just lying when asked, but can reach even deeper levels of scheming. For example, my friend and I recently joined a certain 2v2 game (after hosting a lobby for several minutes we got bored and went looking for a game). The host left the 3rd slots open on each team. My friend and I took spots 1 and 2 on darkness, and the lobby was 4/6. But instead of starting the game, a 5th person joined, and the host kicked the person that had already been on his team. For about 5 seconds my friend and I were confused but by the time the game loaded we knew exactly what they had done. Turns out they had also modified almost all the game settings to suit their playstyle as well. This was just about the worst level of premade deceit that we had ever witnessed, and my friend cursed them out all game as we dominated them for half an hour (then my router skipped, I d/ced, and my friend still almost won because we were so far ahead at that point). But I digress. Deliberately trying to cover up your premade-ness is bad.

The fuzzy area, though, is instead of lying or decieving, simply declining to mention. My friends and I tell people who ask, but we don't mention it unless they do. This is because it takes sooo much longer to get games if you publicly declare your premadeness. Pubs don't want to play you because they know they'll get stomped. Even the scumbag-level premade teams avoid you because they reason: enemy premade --> higher chance of loss --> not worth risk --> back to pubstomping. Anyways, my team's comprimise has been to host "No Noobs" or "Pros" games to try to attract better competition, but declining to mention our premadeness unless directly asked.

There is too many grey area's to come to a conclusion here.  What if I play with one friend and one PUG player?  What if my friends and I don't use vent?  What if I play with my brand new friend who sucks at the game?  Are all these scenarios "premade"?  I don't play with my friends to roflstomp people, I play with them when I can because its fun.

Also here's another example.  I didn't play with any of my real life friends last night.  The second game I played I met a really good erebus player, I told him so in chat while the game was going and friended him.  I hosted another game after we won a few minutes later, by chance when he joined he ended up on my team again.  Are we now also a "premade" ?

Bottom line, I'm all for a ranked ladder matches with arranged teams allowed.  Its the only way out of this issue.  You could as a single player join a 3v3 or 2v2 ladder match, or you could do so with friends.  It would keep your records for playing with your teams on a seperate ranking page from those matches you played by yourself.  Right now the only way to play with my friends is custom, some of us are good, some of us suck, and some of us are somewhere in the middle.  None of us at the moment use vent, and none of us ever try to hide that we know eachother.  Making it take longer than it already takes to find a game by wanting us to put "premade" in the title seems absurd.

Well the sad thing about disguised premade games is that after a while, everyone but the new players know that the match is with a premade.