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I still have a bone to pick

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The Erebus Nerf: More specifically, their justification for nerfing them. It's old news, and I got banned from the forums because I don't have the priviledge of criticizing GPG/Stardock, but I came back to check on the status of clan wars. Some of the things I said were inexcusable, but man, I was INFURIATED at GPG/Stardock for that nerf.

 

I found this:

 

A: You losing a game to someone doesn't imply an imbalanced game. V1.1 will be tweaking things like Heart of Life and numerous other things but no, <Insert Demigod here that ticked you off in last night's game> is not over powered.

 

Really?

 

I mean, I've been reading the logs and some of the new nerfs were the ones that were actually needed. (I can't believe Heart of Life took that long!) The Erebus nerf however was just GPG caving in from pressure that was made up utter crap, being that Erebus was already beatable in many ways obviously outside the minds of some individuals. When balancing a game, you cater to strengths and weaknesses. Make their strengths stronger or weaknesses weaker. They nerfed his strength...(Which wasn't OP)

 

I haven't played in a while, so I don't know how Erebus does. They might have buffed him somewhere in the logs that I didn't catch. They might have publically apologized for it, I have no idea. They might have denounced me publically. He wasn't that tough to beat to begin with though, so I can't imagine him being any harder, outside of more people from the community being better. I probably won't play at all until clan wars is implemented. But it's not really the nerf that pissed me off, more specifically the basis for it. I.e. three threads that had a lot of response and controversy, mixed support, but the majority of support coming from inexperienced players. I hope they learned their lesson from balancing the game in that way.

 

Please tell me they did Frogboy...

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Reply #26 from Demigod Forums Top

So I didn't play in the beta but I did play since launch. And I've played all demigods in quite a few different situations, including Erebrus. I found him very strong before the patch and never saw any reason not to get bite no matter what build I go with. Now however it is not a required skill and not an instant "I win button" for experienced players.

Yes there were plenty of whiners who had no good reasons for game balance changes. But when such a large number of the community can come together and commonly agree that one aspect is overpowered AND most of them were able to provide plenty of evidence, it might just be because said aspect isn't quite balanced correctly.

If you had kept up with more of the forums or at least more of what Frogboy talks about, you'd see that SD regularly plays Demigod and they were agreeing completely that Bite was just a bit too powerful.

Best course of action would be for this thread to be locked as it is obvious that you will not see reason and only respond to others by calling them idiots and hypocrits while you yourself is being just as hypocritical.

Now if you can provide actually good reasons as to why Bite was not overpowered then please by all means, enlighten us.

Reply #27 from Demigod Forums Top

According to the win % statistics Erebus is still overpowered.

So....yeah.

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Reply #28 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting JagerJack, reply 23

Exactly. My point. Based on that logic, I could start a thread about any demigod i want, find a few people who agree, and spear-head it to oblivion.
Except on Erebus nerf threads, people actually had good reasons as to why it was overpowered. The only counter people who didn't think it was overpowered, like yourself, could come up with is "no it's not, l2p."

If you make an thread about how, say, towers are overpowered, a large number of people would be able to prove you wrong and give counter strategies.

 

there was no problem with ere to begin with  i would say there is a bigger problem with  bat swarm its range

Reply #29 from Demigod Forums Top

eres has a higher win %  that just means there are more people playing him with noobs

Reply #30 from Demigod Forums Top

June 26, 2009 15:10:37

I've played erebus every game for the last hundreds of games and feel the nerf was justified and that I am still a fighting force.

OH EM GEE!!!  Don't listen to sly he is a nub!!! (j/k sly I <3 u)

 

Anyways, to the OP:

Don't bother trying to express your views to the majority on these forums.  Any display of opposition is like an electric bug-killer.  It will attract all of the insects and they will flame the living hell out of you.

I agree that IF the devs are basing their nerfs/fixes off of mediocre, inexperienced players (which it seems is the case), it will ruin the overall gameplay.  However, if this isn't the case, then all we can do is pray and hope that GPG and Stardock are objective when looking at fixes/nerfs.

 

It's in Demigod's hands now (yay another DG pun).

Reply #31 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting si1foo, reply 4
eres has a higher win %  that just means there are more people playing him with noobs

Actually no it doesn't.

Reply #32 from Demigod Forums Top

eres has a higher win %  that just means there are more people playing him with noobs

Use Occam's Razor.

Reply #34 from Demigod Forums Top

erebus is still pretty freaking good...even as an assassin build only. If bite didn't slow, he wouldnt be as scary. The slow is what tends to get me nailed.

Reply #35 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting PurplePaladin, reply 8

i have a mouse kinda like that and i sit the same way but i anit no where near fat enough

and eres bite  was nothing the reason everyone wanted it nerfed is because of 2 reasons 1  most of them died to it/by it 2  because they saw the statistics and thought this is op

man ere is a weak ass  he does barely any dmg  i i would say the only thing he has got going for him is that he can surrive  in just about any situation

cloak of night  + batswarm  =   evasive

Reply #36 from Demigod Forums Top

I think of myself as a decent tanks (priests + bite + easy evasion when things get tough) so I'm usually the guy people sink their skills into since I'm on the frontlines.

I also think of myself as a "close-range sniper"/"snagger".  When the enemy has low hp but is getting away swarm+bite is great for the finishing blow.  Or, if they have lots of hp, swarm+bite (slow) + sleep (stun) is great for snagging demigods so that the team can unleash on them now that they've caught up.

I don't think you're giving vampy nearly enough credit.

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Reply #37 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Sly_Squash, reply 11
When the enemy has low hp but is getting away swarm+bite is great for the finishing blow.

You're crazy Sly.  You always yell "Snipe snipe snipe!" and make me finish them off.

Reply #38 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting Goggris, reply 12

You're crazy Sly.  You always yell "Snipe snipe snipe!" and make me finish them off.

I'm a team player who likes to give others a piece of the gold.  ;P

WE NEEDZ TO SHARE THE NOMS!!!!! :fuzzy:

Reply #39 from Demigod Forums Top

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Reply #40 from Demigod Forums Top

some twat posts crap about the Erebus nerf and the Know It Alls go fuckin off the wall with "facts" and "points"

 

really, when will this stop?

 

Reply #41 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting StAcK3D_ActR, reply 14

Extacide_
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Reply #42 from Stardock Forums Top

(English is not my first language so I apologise for any misspelling and idiomatic errors)

To OP: As i read your argument you state that some of the changes(i.e. the ones you like) in v1.1 are good and bleeding obvious, but the changes you do not like are the result of GPG/SD pandering to uninformed whiners. I find this approach might not be entirely fair to the involved people. Might it not be the case that a lot of people complaining means that something might be worthy of attention? And after a thorough review from GPG/SD, here i mean gametesting - not only  listening to "whiners" - action was taken. 

in 1939 England and France declared war on Germany not because the Polish people were a bunch of "whiners" but because the German attack was factually wrong. This is just an example of the OP's logic applied on another setting, I will just clarify in the strongest possible terms that I am not making ANY comparisons between OP and WWII. ( just to be sure, some people really have a short fuse and/or misunderstand)

I am just saying that I find your position is based on faulty logic (You were not part off the decision process) and a bias toward one particular DG.

PS I have seen plenty of good Vamps even after v1.1

PPS I really like this game despite early frustrations.

PPPS Lets keep the forums polite (and funny - but never rude)   

Reply #43 from Demigod Forums Top

Foreshadowed

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your turn.

Reply #44 from Demigod Forums Top

The Erebus Nerf: More specifically, their justification for nerfing them. It's old news, and I got banned from the forums because I don't have the priviledge of criticizing GPG/Stardock, but I came back to check on the status of clan wars. Some of the things I said were inexcusable, but man, I was INFURIATED at GPG/Stardock for that nerf.

 

 

I mean, I've been reading the logs and some of the new nerfs were the ones that were actually needed. (I can't believe Heart of Life took that long!) The Erebus nerf however was just GPG caving in from pressure that was made up utter crap, being that Erebus was already beatable in many ways obviously outside the minds of some individuals. When balancing a game, you cater to strengths and weaknesses. Make their strengths stronger or weaknesses weaker. They nerfed his strength...(Which wasn't OP)

 

I haven't played in a while, so I don't know how Erebus does. They might have buffed him somewhere in the logs that I didn't catch. They might have publically apologized for it, I have no idea. They might have denounced me publically. He wasn't that tough to beat to begin with though, so I can't imagine him being any harder, outside of more people from the community being better. I probably won't play at all until clan wars is implemented. But it's not really the nerf that pissed me off, more specifically the basis for it. I.e. three threads that had a lot of response and controversy, mixed support, but the majority of support coming from inexperienced players. I hope they learned their lesson from balancing the game in that way.

 

Please tell me they did Frogboy...

I miss your whining in irc but i guess you still can't control yourself!!!  I been playing your whining erebus post nerf and he does quite well!!!

Reply #45 from Demigod Forums Top

Quoting si1foo, reply 4
the best demi is oak  then ub then reg then rook then proberly tb then sedna  then qot then ere

Fail. 

Reply #46 from Demigod Forums Top

Yeah, anybody who has Reg, Rook, and TB as better than Sedna is just being nutty.  I mean, I play Reg the most and I know that Sedna is a MUCH better DG in most cases.  I wont get into the rest of the silliness on that list since that was just the most obvious bit.