Iran: The World Would Change

Problem is, I would love to travel to Iran as quickly as possible if this is a revolution.

But one of my passports has Israeli stamps and the other has Iraqi stamps. Hard to tell which would be worse.

 

This morning my favourite German news site changed the headline re Iran from "President Reelected" to "The Dictator Imprisons Opposition Leaders".

 

I am getting emails from Iranian Kurds. I don't know what is fact and what is fiction.

According to Michael Totten, the riots are continuing in Iran.

There is a Youtube channel with videos of riots all over the country.

The BBC's headline: Crowds join Ahmadinejad victory rally (The BBC's policy is only to use local journalists. This means the BBC will always report from the point of view of the government in a totalitarian regime. This happened in Gaza and now in Iran.)

Opposition leaders have called upon the people in Tehran to shout "Allahu Akbar" from the rooftops during the night. They are doing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WU-cxEEJ-E

In the videos I can hear what I want to make out as "marg [something] [sounds like 'dictator']". "Marg" means death in Farsi (and Kurdish, hence the name of the Kurdish militia in Iraq "Peshmerga" = "Face death"). "Dictator" could be a modern loan from Latin, like in English.

It seems like the mainstream media are trying to wait this out after reporting Ahmadinejads victory as legitimate too quickly.

 

Real results allegedly from sources in the Iranian ministry of the interior:

49,322,412 voters

42,026,078 voted (this is the 85% who voted)

138,716 invalid votes

Mousavi (the main "reformist"): 19,075,623 votes

Karoubi (another reformist): 13,387,104 votes

Ahmadinejad (ape): 5,698,417 votes

Rezaii (former terrorist): 3,754,218 votes

I have no idea where exactly those numbers come from and how true they are.

 

"Real" results according to Iranian regime:

Ahmadinejad: 24,527,516

Mousavi: 13,216,411

Rezaii: 678,240

Karoubi: 333,635

(Wikipedia)

I have also heard that people working in the interior ministry had said that in some cases they hadn't even started counting votes when the final result was officially announced.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJGrMhsmI5M

I think I should mention that several blogs are now implying that the email with the allegedly true results has been sent to them specifically. In fact it was sent to at least one German-language Kurdish mailing list. I eventually received it from Kurdish-German political allies. It was public knowledge well before blogs posted the numbers.

(I have no idea why I receive those mails. I think it has to do with my name being known in some Kurdish circles because of my visit to Iraqi Kurdistan last year. Before I went I spent several months researching Kurdish culture in preparation for the trip.)

 

Blogging the revolt:

http://niacblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/election-unrest-day-two/

Iranian protesters call on western media to stop legitimising the elections:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/sos-from-tehran.html

Seems like the BBC and other western media had hoped that they could ignore the revolts. And then the real news broke all over the blogs and the media are trying to catch up.

 

Supposedly, the initial results that the MOI announced were based only on the first 500,000 ballots received, and that set the rest of Friday’s events in motion.  According to this site, the real results were:

• Mousavi – 21.3 million (57.2%)
• Ahmadinejad – 10.5 million (28%)
• Rezai – 2.7 million (7.2%)
• Karroubi – 2.2 million (6%)

Obviously, this should be taken with a huge grain of salt.  But Mowj is the unofficial website for the Mousavi campaign, so we wanted to present it here for you to interpret yourself.

(From http://niacblog.wordpress.com/2009/06/14/election-unrest-day-two/)

Note that these numbers are similar to the numbers I quoted before:

Mousavi (the main "reformist"): 19,075,623 votes

Karoubi (another reformist): 13,387,104 votes

Ahmadinejad (ape): 5,698,417 votes

Rezaii (former terrorist): 3,754,218 votes

Perhaps this constitutes a series of calculations before all votes have been counted?

 

To be honest with you, I would be surprised if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad got relected and when they said he did I was shocked by it.  Because I have friends that live there and they say people are sick of the Iranian political regimes.

Especially college students and people in their mid twenties are just sick and tired of how Iran is.

If you do go to Iran let me know. I would love to go.  I also have the stamp of that country that Ahmadinejad speaks of so often.

I'm looking at a job in Saudi its through a company located here in the States.  I hope and pray that I'll get it.  I forgot to mention in my coverletter that I have worked with Arabs before :-/ So I'm thinking of maybe resubmitting everything and saying that I have that experience in that.

Yes, that's what I have heard.

ANYWAY... it is refreshing to learn that the "death to the Jews" crowd in Iran is smaller than the "death to the dictator crowd".

It would make the world a much better place instantly if a new Iranian regime would re-open diplomatic relations with Israel and encourage trade and tourism between the two countries.

After all, Israel and Iran had been allies ever since 550 BCE, an alliance that only ended when the terrorists took over in Iran 30 years ago.




If this is a revolution, I will go as soon as it's official. My problem is that I have stamps of both of Iran's favourite enemy countries, in two separate passports.




Wow. I hope you know what you are doing. Saudi-Arabia is not a nice place to work or live. I have heard horror stories from doctors that came back to Europe after working in the country for a year or two. Apparently it's like Iran without the women's rights and like the Soviet Union without the tolerance for dissent.

I myself considered trying to find a job in Iraq. But my current situation here is much better (and I don't have to worry about finding it).

Wasn't Iran like the 4th or 5th country to recognize Israel becoming a nation?

 

I'll keep that in mind.  I know that Saudi is pretty hardcore.  Essentially, if I get it the company owns several houses and I'll just live there at one of the houses.  I won't have the housing experience.

I haven't been offered the position nor am I sure if I would go.  Its always nice to have the option of going and experiencing the world.

Iran was the _second_ country to recognise Israel after the US (even though Iran had voted against the partitioning plan).

 

From what I hear, experiencing Saudi-Arabia is like experiencing an anti-world.

 

Reuters still refer to Mousavi as a "defeated presidential candidate":

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSEVA14340720090615?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

Fact is, we don't know whether the elections were legitimate or fraudulent. But Reuters have chosen sides and decided whom they will believe.

This entire thing seems to have caught the western media by surprise. Who would have thought that a dishonest regime made up of homophobic and misogynist religious fundamentalists might commit fraud?

 

The Islamic Republic regime in Iran is vividly revealing itself as an enemy of the entire world.

“Supreme Guide” Ali Khamenei’s police and the Basij militia are using violence and terror to suppress the Iranian people at home. His terrorist proxies fire missiles at Israel while torturing, maiming, and murdering Palestinians. He sponsored a violent coup d’etat against the elected government in Beirut last year with his Hezbollah militia. He sponsors a terrorist insurgency against the elected government of Iraq, while his fanatical proxies shoot and kill American soldiers. A car bomb cell belonging to the regime’s Lebanese franchise was recently arrested in Azerbaijan, and more cells were rolled up in Egypt. Terrorists sponsored and encouraged by him and his predecessor, Ruhollah Khomeini, have murdered civilians from Argentina to Japan.

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Iranian civilians risk violent beatings and worse by the thousands for standing up to the regime in the streets and treating it as the enemy it clearly is. There is no better time for the rest of us to do so, as well, especially since such gestures carry far less risk for us. The Pasdaran have no divisions in Washington, Paris, or London.

...

If President Barack Obama simply must get this out of his system, at least his patience may be partly sapped by the brutal suppression of hope and change in Iran. He will learn soon enough, if he hasn’t already, that Khamenei, if he survives after defeating Iranians who bravely stood up and said “death to dictatorship” to his face, will be in no mood to compromise with diplomats who are afraid to speak up from thousands of miles away.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/totten/69651

Leauki, you crack me up :-> I am seriously taking in consideration what you said though.

 

https://forums.joeuser.com/355230

Can you tell me (its on the second page of that) if my agrument on that page make sense. Either Nephilium didn't get it, maybe I'm missing what he said, or he's a lepton.

 

I hope I'll have time to read through it.

I was planning to compare Hebrew and Akkadian grammar tonight.

 

MIchael J. Totten is keeping us up-to-date at Commentary:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/category/contentions/contentions?author_name=totten

However, there’s another possibility that few seem to have thought of. Right now the regime may be sticking its proverbial finger in the wind to sense what a foreign reaction to a more ferocious domestic response might look like. It’s somewhat surprising that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps hasn’t already gunned down a substantial number of people. Surely its commanders have at least considered massacring dissidents as in Tienanmen Square. If they feel they might get away with it because no one outside Iran is willing to stop them – which is exactly what happened in Burma last year – silence from the White House might actually increase the likelihood of something monstrous happening.

 

 

Huh, ironic...

 

 

*trys to hold back giggles/laugh*

 

Yeah, who would've thought that the MSM would consider that *anyone* could commit fraud?

\sarcasm

 

 

How so?

Note that while most news outlets still refer to Ahmadinejad as the "elected president", German n-tv.de switched to "so-called election winner" a few days ago.

http://www.n-tv.de/politik/meldungen/Das-Regime-besetzt-die-Strasse-article367282.html

A few weeks ago I read this (German) article about life as a female doctor in Saudi-Arabia:

http://ww.aerzteblatt.de/v4/archiv/artikel.asp?id=61386

They took her passport and treated her like a whore, even when her husband was by her side.

This (Suisse) article talks about the legality of hitting women when they spend too much money:

http://www.20min.ch/news/kreuz_und_quer/story/Schlaege-fuer-kaufsuechtige-Frauen-sind-o-k--10120340

(It is legal in SA.)

And here is a (German) Spiegel article about selling 10-year old children to "husbands":

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/0,1518,623221,00.html

I am sure there are English-language versions of these stories. Saudi-Arabia doesn't even deny these claims. Instead they say that Islam allows it. (Islam does not, but that's another story.)

All-in-all SA is pretty much a weirdo world.

 

The following document, known as the Seven Point Manifesto, calling for the resignation of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, has hit the streets of Iran. Hundreds of thousands of copies have already been circulated throughout the country.

The Seven Point Manifesto calls for:

1.Stripping Ayatollah Khamanei  of his Supreme Leadership position because of his unfairness. Fairness is a requirement of a  Supreme Leader.

2. Stripping Ahmadinejad  of the presidency, due to his unlawful act of maintaining the position illegally.

3.Transferring temporary Supreme Leadership position to Ayatollah Hussein-Ali Montazery until the formation of a committee to reevaluate and adjust Iran’s constitution.

4. Recognizing Mir Hossein Mousavi as the rightfully elected president of the people.

5. Formation of a new government by President Mousavi and preparation for the implementation of new constitutional amendments.

6. Unconditional release of all political prisoners regardless of ideaology or party platform.

7. Dissolution of all organizations - both secret and public - designed for the oppression of the Iranian people, such as the Gasht Ershad (Iranian morality police).

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-seven-point-manifesto-of-the-iranian-resistance/

About Ayatollah Hussein-Ali Montazery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Ayatollah_Hossein-Ali_Montazeri

Seems like a decent choice.

 

To start with, the BBC, long considered a shill for the regime by most Iranian dissidents [Leauki: No! How could that be?], estimates between one and two million Tehranis demonstrated against the regime on Monday.  That’s a big number.  So we can say that, at least for the moment, there is a revolutionary mass in the streets of Tehran.  There are similar reports from places like Tabriz and Isfahan, so it’s nationwide.

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Western governments have expressed dismay at the violence, and Obama, in his eternally narcissistic way, said that he was deeply disturbed by it, and went on to add that freedom of speech, etc., were universal values and should be respected by the mullahs.  I would have preferred a strong statement of condemnation–stressing the evil of killing peaceful demonstrators–but he finally said something.

He probably thinks he’s in a bind (he isn’t, actually).  He probably thinks that if he condemns the violence, and the regime wins, that will lessen his chances to strike the Grand Bargain he so avidly desires.  Somebody might remind him that Ronald Reagan was unstinting in his criticism of the Soviet Union (”The Evil Empire”), but negotiated no end of bargains with them, including quite dramatic arms reductions.

http://pajamasmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/06/15/so-hows-it-going-in-iran/