Problem is, I would love to travel to Iran as quickly as possible if this is a revolution.

But one of my passports has Israeli stamps and the other has Iraqi stamps. Hard to tell which would be worse.

I am getting emails from Iranian Kurds. I don't know what is fact and what is fiction.

According to Michael Totten, the riots are continuing in Iran.

There is a Youtube channel with videos of riots all over the country.

The BBC's headline: Crowds join Ahmadinejad victory rally (The BBC's policy is only to use local journalists. This means the BBC will always report from the point of view of the government in a totalitarian regime. This happened in Gaza and now in Iran.)

Opposition leaders have called upon the people in Tehran to shout "Allahu Akbar" from the rooftops during the night. They are doing it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WU-cxEEJ-E

In the videos I can hear what I want to make out as "marg [something] [sounds like 'dictator']". "Marg" means death in Farsi (and Kurdish, hence the name of the Kurdish militia in Iraq "Peshmerga" = "Face death"). "Dictator" could be a modern loan from Latin, like in English.

It seems like the mainstream media are trying to wait this out after reporting Ahmadinejads victory as legitimate too quickly.

I have also heard that people working in the interior ministry had said that in some cases they hadn't even started counting votes when the final result was officially announced.

I think I should mention that several blogs are now implying that the email with the allegedly true results has been sent to them specifically. In fact it was sent to at least one German-language Kurdish mailing list. I eventually received it from Kurdish-German political allies. It was public knowledge well before blogs posted the numbers.

(I have no idea why I receive those mails. I think it has to do with my name being known in some Kurdish circles because of my visit to Iraqi Kurdistan last year. Before I went I spent several months researching Kurdish culture in preparation for the trip.)

Iranian protesters call on western media to stop legitimising the elections:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/sos-from-tehran.html

Seems like the BBC and other western media had hoped that they could ignore the revolts. And then the real news broke all over the blogs and the media are trying to catch up.

To be honest with you, I would be surprised if Mahmoud Ahmadinejad got relected and when they said he did I was shocked by it.  Because I have friends that live there and they say people are sick of the Iranian political regimes.

Especially college students and people in their mid twenties are just sick and tired of how Iran is.

If you do go to Iran let me know. I would love to go.  I also have the stamp of that country that Ahmadinejad speaks of so often.

I'm looking at a job in Saudi its through a company located here in the States.  I hope and pray that I'll get it.  I forgot to mention in my coverletter that I have worked with Arabs before :-/ So I'm thinking of maybe resubmitting everything and saying that I have that experience in that.

Wasn't Iran like the 4th or 5th country to recognize Israel becoming a nation?

I'll keep that in mind.  I know that Saudi is pretty hardcore.  Essentially, if I get it the company owns several houses and I'll just live there at one of the houses.  I won't have the housing experience.

I haven't been offered the position nor am I sure if I would go.  Its always nice to have the option of going and experiencing the world.

Reuters still refer to Mousavi as a "defeated presidential candidate":

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSEVA14340720090615?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews

Fact is, we don't know whether the elections were legitimate or fraudulent. But Reuters have chosen sides and decided whom they will believe.

This entire thing seems to have caught the western media by surprise. Who would have thought that a dishonest regime made up of homophobic and misogynist religious fundamentalists might commit fraud?

Leauki, you crack me up :-> I am seriously taking in consideration what you said though.

https://forums.joeuser.com/355230

Can you tell me (its on the second page of that) if my agrument on that page make sense. Either Nephilium didn't get it, maybe I'm missing what he said, or he's a lepton.

MIchael J. Totten is keeping us up-to-date at Commentary:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/category/contentions/contentions?author_name=totten

However, there’s another possibility that few seem to have thought of. Right now the regime may be sticking its proverbial finger in the wind to sense what a foreign reaction to a more ferocious domestic response might look like. It’s somewhat surprising that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps hasn’t already gunned down a substantial number of people. Surely its commanders have at least considered massacring dissidents as in Tienanmen Square. If they feel they might get away with it because no one outside Iran is willing to stop them – which is exactly what happened in Burma last year – silence from the White House might actually increase the likelihood of something monstrous happening.

How so?

A few weeks ago I read this (German) article about life as a female doctor in Saudi-Arabia:

http://ww.aerzteblatt.de/v4/archiv/artikel.asp?id=61386

They took her passport and treated her like a whore, even when her husband was by her side.

This (Suisse) article talks about the legality of hitting women when they spend too much money:

http://www.20min.ch/news/kreuz_und_quer/story/Schlaege-fuer-kaufsuechtige-Frauen-sind-o-k--10120340

(It is legal in SA.)

And here is a (German) Spiegel article about selling 10-year old children to "husbands":

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/0,1518,623221,00.html

I am sure there are English-language versions of these stories. Saudi-Arabia doesn't even deny these claims. Instead they say that Islam allows it. (Islam does not, but that's another story.)

All-in-all SA is pretty much a weirdo world.

To start with, the BBC, long considered a shill for the regime by most Iranian dissidents [Leauki: No! How could that be?], estimates between one and two million Tehranis demonstrated against the regime on Monday.  That’s a big number.  So we can say that, at least for the moment, there is a revolutionary mass in the streets of Tehran.  There are similar reports from places like Tabriz and Isfahan, so it’s nationwide.

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Western governments have expressed dismay at the violence, and Obama, in his eternally narcissistic way, said that he was deeply disturbed by it, and went on to add that freedom of speech, etc., were universal values and should be respected by the mullahs.  I would have preferred a strong statement of condemnation–stressing the evil of killing peaceful demonstrators–but he finally said something.

He probably thinks he’s in a bind (he isn’t, actually).  He probably thinks that if he condemns the violence, and the regime wins, that will lessen his chances to strike the Grand Bargain he so avidly desires.  Somebody might remind him that Ronald Reagan was unstinting in his criticism of the Soviet Union (”The Evil Empire”), but negotiated no end of bargains with them, including quite dramatic arms reductions.

http://pajamasmedia.com/michaelledeen/2009/06/15/so-hows-it-going-in-iran/