defragmenting

hi all, i recently used auslogics free disk defragmenter, it worked well and seemed to speed up performance imediately after i had used it, then the next day, the performance and speed was back to previous levels, so i ran the defragmenter again and it showed still large numbers of red fragmented files,more so than after the program had run previously. so i defraged again, and nearly all the red files remained. i then analysed the hard drive and auslogics told me that there was only 11% fragmentation? according to the screen showing file status over half were fragmented, and would not go away?

any help on whats going on would be appreciated

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Hi milk.  I use auslogics  defrag as well, but I have never had any problems with it.  One of the things I do right after defragging is re-boot my computer.  If you don't re-boot, maybe try that and see if everythig works right then.  If that doesn't work, I don't know what else to tell you.  Maybe someone else will come along and chime in.

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What could be the issue is system files and the swap file where windows (I assume much, yes? *_* ) uses diskspace for memory. normally, defraggers can not defrag those areas. 

 

One option is to do remove your swap file, then do the defrag, then put the swap file back on. The Pc will run a little slower with no swap file but this should hlep out with the fragmanetation. as well, having the swap file NOT fragmented will speed up the PC.

Try that and see how it looks after.

you could also get a defrag app that can do the page/swap file but those normally cost $$.

 

Good luck!

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I have used Auslogics before and got good results,but have switched to Iobit SmartDefrag.  It is very fast and also free. LINK If there is a setting in Auslogics options to skip files over 1Gb in size,uncheck it. If you have a lot of games or other large files,they won't get defragged otherwise.Also,how full is your HDD? Could you be running out of free space?  I show less than 1% fragmented files on both my Vista rig and the XP machine I'm working on after defrag. You should be getting better results than 11% after running either defrag program.

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ive got about 46% free at the moment? i dont think there is an option to not skip file 1 gb in size

and thanks for the help

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Defragmenter differs greatly in performances. The best one I have used is Diskeeper but it isn't free. It does allow boot time defragmentation before Windows load to defrag system files, as well as defragment of MFT and folders as well.

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Quoting AnnihilatorX, reply 5
Defragmenter differs greatly in performances. The best one I have used is Diskeeper but it isn't free. It does allow boot time defragmentation before Windows load to defrag system files, as well as defragment of MFT and folders as well.

 

This!!!  ou need a program that can do offline or boot time defrag (named differently in many different programs.  My personal favorite is perfect disk.  It is extremely good and has many non-standard features and scheduling options.  Again, though it is not free.

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The only reasonable advantage to defragmentation is efficient reallocation of FAT references of most used files in any given HDs.

Knowing this, any "slowdowns" in accessibitity is more about integral detection of regular groups swapped into activities WHEN and from where exactly. If your "programs" seek too many chunks at once, the lag time can impact performance.

Thus, bigger files (Booting the OS, comes to mind) can load faster if called for in optimal sequencing. Smaller files (by quantity) strains on the laser needle pointer, too.

Clear up the unused junk. Maintain integrity of core assets, defrag once a month or less... these simply are a function of maintenance.

Proper empty space re-organization on a drive is MUCH more important as the most commonly used files must be easier to reach. NTFS solved that by indexing sufficiently. Defrag on the other hand, simply keeps track of your continual usage trying to determine what files matter most; from this process, a suggestion is offered to you -- split or fuse.

In nanoseconds terms, you boot reasonably fast(er) or slighty out a synch.

Anything under 5% is fair game, i heard.

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I use Perfect Disk as well, not Free, as noted and after a defrag, you absolutely should not have 14% defragmentation, that is not right.

A note on the Paging space. Since the Page file does not store data full time, it swaps in and out, and is a contiguous disk space, it never needs to be defragmented per say.

If you turn on your PC and you start swapping to the disk/page space immediately, I would HIGHLY recommend way more RAM be installed.

Run the OS's defragmenter and see what percentage it gives you at the end. That would be another test of the software your using. 

 

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To the OP: those fragmented files are probably system files such as the MFT or a dynamically expanding pagefile. Auslogics can't defrag system files, but you can try a commercial defragger (free trial versions) which will do the trick. I use Diskeeper '09 Pro and it defrags all the system files, most of it without a boot-time defrag, and the remainder during a boot-time defrag. Works perfectly.

 

Quoting Zyxpsilon, reply 7
Smaller files (by quantity) strains on the laser needle pointer, too.

Er..there is no laser needle pointer in a HDD. A hard drive uses magnetic media (thin films deposited on the platter substrate) to hold magnetization infomation and therefore 'bit's. It is written/read by a floating read/write head utilizing the giant magnetorestrictive effect.

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Hi Milk... I also have Auslogics Bootspeed and have never had any kind of problems with it. It works great on my computer. I use it maybe once a month. I use the disk defragmenter along with the one button check up and the disk cleaner and sometimes some of the other stuff to help it out. I'm not sure what to tell you. I got it because my regular windows disk defragmenter just completely stopped working. I can still access it but it just won't work at all. It will tell me how much free space is there but that's it as far as that goes. Have you tried some of the other things that Auslogics Bootspeed does besides just the disk defragmenter?

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A hard drive uses magnetic media

Whatever, it's fast R/W.

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If you have tune-up utilities, use tune-up disk defrag and registry defrag, hope your problem should be solved.

You can download a free 30 days trial here.

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You can get Iolo System Mechanic or the Pro version thru Impulse. I recommend it highly! (Iolo and Impulse  :) )

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running "disc clean-up" may also help. all the files saved in temp have a tendency to slow things down.

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You have system restore files and/or shadow copy enabled. Those files will not defrag no matter what you use.

Plus with just a defrager it will not build the MFT [master file table]. In short most systems crash due to this problem with most ntfs hard drives. Swapfile and even the hiberfil.sys will usually not be anything to do with most of your performance. Except for the usual settings as with the OS for the proper size of the swapfile and the hiberfile. Most also of the time the swapfile can cause frags due to it being the wrong size and windows is using it a lot more than usual because of this.

I've seen programs come and go that work well with this. But as it is at this time only a few older defraggers actually resize the MFT. I've found that if the MFT gets full in win7 it will cause system files to be corrupted and usually a chkdsk occurs. Thus the system files get removed from regs and deleted from the OS. Then the OS says it can't restore or fix the problem even with restore. It is crazy... but that MFT file is the most important file space the OS and Hard drive has. When it runs out of space it pushes the older stuff out first to add the new. Thus the system was installed first and it goes down the tubes.

Best program I still use that allows you to set the size for the MFT is Diskeeper 2007 Pro Premier. It will install on win7 if you have things going for you right. [recommended settings will appear for a reinstall] I use it on all my systems and never have any problems with frags.

The new 2009 has an automatic system setup for resizing the MFT to a proper setup. But I've seen it fail... Most anything that runs automatic is relied upon some other principals working in the system. They fail it fails.

Anyway good luck and it is always best to try before you buy a good defragger. Oh and besure you have a good backup.

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Quoting amitsaran, reply 12
If you have tune-up utilities, use tune-up disk defrag and registry defrag, hope your problem should be solved.

You can download a free 30 days trial here.

TuneUp is a great utility package but if you are looking for the best defragger........there's only one choice.......PerfectDisk. It seems to be the popular techs choice and i've used it for several years...........and nothing gets close to it |-)   

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Quoting DrJBHL, reply 13
You can get Iolo System Mechanic or the Pro version thru Impulse. I recommend it highly! (Iolo and Impulse  )

This :)

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stupid question time: seems that I remember (a long time ago) a defragger that claimed to remove old files and reclaim the disc space, instead of just making those files somewhat inaccessible. Are there any defraggers today that make any such claim???

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I am currently using Diskeeper09 (mostly in the background auto mode) and havent had any hassles with it. I think its worth trying out the 30 day version.

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i use HIRENS bootCD, the defrag i use is called JkDefrag. it works like a charm

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I currently use the excellent (and free) JKDEFRAG. Whilst nothing fancy to look at it is the best I've used.

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For a minute I thought yrag changed his name.

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No, I didn't.

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