Need ID to Vote or Be a Citizen? Not in Georgia!

I guess this is more of the “change you can believe” in, but yet, I don’t think most people believe it yet. 

Obama Justice Department Decision Will Allow Non-Citizens to Register to Vote in Georgia

Decision Bars Georgia From Continuing Voter Verification Process

Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel issued the following statement following the U.S. Department of Justice’s denial of preclearance of Georgia’s voter verification process

Atlanta - “The decision by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) to deny preclearance of Georgia’s already implemented citizenship verification process shows a shocking disregard for the integrity of our elections. With this decision, DOJ has now barred Georgia from continuing the citizenship verification program that DOJ lawyers helped to craft. DOJ’s decision also nullifies the orders of two federal courts directing Georgia to implement the procedure for the 2008 general election. The decision comes seven months after Georgia requested an expedited review of the preclearance submission.

Now it’s no secret democrats don’t like voter ID, it’s their best source of voter fraud allowing illegal immigrants to vote for them in exchange for entitlements.  Now we have a President who has long ties with liberal voter fraud organizations, namely ACORN, that have benefited from federal money, and will use legislation like this across the country to get more votes for their liberal allies.

Unbelievable.

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Not unbelievable, impossible. You are not suggesting the Obama Administration is in favor of cheating are you? :-"

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Whatever. We'll destroy the world in another hundred years or so. So there's no reason to get so upset about America's workforce being able to vote.

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there's no reason to get so upset about America's workforce being able to vote.
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You mean welfare force?

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liberal once meant someone for liberty, now it means equality and multiculturalism... not equality of opportunity (liberty), but equality of result... which is best represented in fascist communism.

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Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel issued the following statement following the U.S. Department of Justice’s denial of preclearance of Georgia’s voter verification process
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1. your title is either deliberately or ignorantly false in that the specific policy/program to which the doj is opposed is not the 2009 georgia sb 86 which requires new registrants to provide proof of citizenship nor does it require anyone to have id.  what ga's secretary of state has implemented and is now trying to defend is a system by which registrations are checked against driver's license or social security records and rejected if a single character has been transposed or incorrectly entered.  

2. georgia--as a consequence of its long and heinous history of denying non-white citizens the right to vote--is legally mandated to have any proposed election law policy changes approved by the doj.

3. ms handel is planning to run as a republican for governor of ga and this is apparently her hot-button issue.  guess which fast-growing group of new voters she's driving away from the gop by rejecting over 200,000 applications during the first quarter of 2009?  maybe she should pay a lil more attention to republican representative to the state board of elections randy evans who pronounced her policy 'a waste of taxpayer money'  and 'a slap in the face to latino voters.'

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Whatever. We'll destroy the world in another hundred years or so. So there's no reason to get so upset about America's workforce being able to vote.
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The great thing about the US, freedom of speech, and freedom to act the fool. ;)

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oh yes, the stupid republicans driving away the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT VOTE.

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the stupid republicans driving away the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT VOTE
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wanna know who's stupid?  

anyone who actually believes illegals sit around scheming up ways to get their hands on a ballot. 

people who are entitled to vote can barely be persuaded to get off their asses on election day. 

illegals, on the other hand, can't pass up a chance to bamboozle election officials.  it's as if things aren't risky enough for them, and they so relish the thrill of creating for themselves one totally unnecessary opportunity to have someone scrutinize their fake documents thereby putting themselves and their families in danger of arrest and deportation, they just can't resist the pull of the polling place.

wanna know who makes those morons look like einstein?

people who don't realize there are a whole lotta legal citizens of latino or hispanic descent...so many, it won't be too much longer before there's more of em than there are of you.

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Once again, KB has no grasp of reality.

The illegals aren't planning this, it's the dems who want their votes.

Don't you remember how they go around picking them up, serving them food, cigarettes, etc. just to get them to the polls. 

The ignorance is amazing.

 

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As required by law and ordered by federal courts in October 2008, the eligibility of new applicants to register and vote is checked against the Georgia Department of Driver Services (DDS) and Social Security Administration databases to ensure that individuals registering to vote report similar information. If information in these databases does not match information reported on the voter registration form, the applicant is asked to clarify the information. Additionally, if the applicant previously reported to DDS that he or she is not a U.S. citizen, that person is asked by a registrar to provide proof of citizenship.


On October 10, 2008, activist organizations including the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF) and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a lawsuit to attempt to prevent Georgia from verifying the eligibility of applicants to register and vote in the November General Election, including whether those individuals were citizens of the United States.

But of course, this doesn't matter.  I mean, democrats across the country are supportive of ID being required to vote, right?

 

 

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wanna know who's stupid?

anyone who actually believes illegals sit around scheming up ways to get their hands on a ballot.

people who are entitled to vote can barely be persuaded to get off their asses on election day.

illegals, on the other hand, can't pass up a chance to bamboozle election officials. it's as if things aren't risky enough for them, and they so relish the thrill of creating for themselves one totally unnecessary opportunity to have someone scrutinize their fake documents thereby putting themselves and their families in danger of arrest and deportation, they just can't resist the pull of the polling place.

wanna know who makes those morons look like einstein?

people who don't realize there are a whole lotta legal citizens of latino or hispanic descent...so many, it won't be too much longer before there's more of em than there are of you.
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I don't know how much you know about illegals or if you know any or enough of them, but I have seen and known many and you'd be surprised just how eager they are to be able to vote for someone who will give them what they want. They use illegal documents to work and get money from the Gov't, they have no problems using them for voting.

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besides which, voter fraud organizations like ACORN use illegals and even dead people to commit voter fraud en masse.

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thereby putting themselves and their families in danger of arrest and deportation
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I think not.  As long as there are no requirements to prove citizenship, there is zero risk.  Proof of citizenship requirements would indeed tend to keep illegals away from the polls - kinda the point, it would seem, even to this moron.

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Don't you remember how they go around picking them up, serving them food, cigarettes, etc. just to get them to the polls.

The ignorance is amazing.
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as is the irony of your conclusion.  ignorance is a keystone of allegations such as yours (got any actual documentation or is all that just something 'everyone knows'?). 

in contrast the brennan centers's truthaboutvotingfraud.org HAS extensively investigated this issue and documented it's findings (which you can read for yourselves here). 

here's a short excerpt:

Exaggerated or unfounded allegations of fraud by noncitizens include the following:


• In Washington in 2005, an individual asked county offices to investigate the citizenship status of
1,668 registered voters based on their “foreign-sounding names.” There are no reports of which
we are aware that any individual on the submitted list was actually a noncitizen.


• In Washington in 2004, documentation appears to show that two votes were cast in King County
by noncitizens. There are no reports of which we are aware that either of these noncitizens knowingly
voted illegally, although one did ask to rescind his vote shortly after the election. Given
these votes, the rate of documented noncitizen votes — without proof of fraud — in King
County was 0.0002%.


• In Milwaukee in 2001, journalists analyzed 370,000 voting records from 1992 to 2000, and
found four instances in which voters’ names matched a list of naturalized city residents, but appeared
to have voted before their naturalization dates; there is no indication of which we are aware
that any of these four knowingly voted illegally. Even if all four of the matched records accurately
represented noncitizen votes, the rate of noncitizen voting among the city records examined
would have been 0.001%.


• In Hawaii in 2000, 553 apparent noncitizens were alleged to have registered to vote. On further investigation,
144 documented that they had become citizens. At least 61 individuals affirmatively
asked to cancel their registration; the others were stopped at the polls and specifically asked about
their citizenship before voting. There are no reports of which we are aware that any noncitizen
actually voted. To the extent that noncitizens were actually represented on the rolls, officials attributed
the registrations to mistake rather than fraud.


• In Hawaii in 1998, four years after an INS investigation into more than 10,000 names identified
fewer than twelve noncitizens whose names matched those on the voter rolls, the INS again
investigated claims of extensive noncitizen voting. The agency examined 1,200 noncitizens suspected
of voting, but found no evidence that any had voted. A separate proceeding uncovered
three noncitizens who had indeed voted in 1998, and three others who were reported to be under
further investigation. There are no reports of which we are aware that any noncitizens voted
knowing that they were ineligible. But even if all six had voted, the overall noncitizen voting rate
would have been 0.001%.


• In California in 1996, 924 noncitizens allegedly voted in Orange and Los Angeles Counties,
including 624 allegedly ineligible voters identified by the Task Force of the U.S. House of Representatives
investigating the Dornan/Sanchez election. The allegations were based largely on attempts
to match immigration lists to voter rolls, but only 71 voters matched name, date of birth,
and signature; other matches were less reliable. Most of the identified voters were processed by one
nonprofit group registering individuals proceeding through the naturalization process; many were
registered immediately after passing an INS citizenship interview, and after receiving a letter indicating
that they had become naturalized. At least 372 of the voters were apparently officially sworn
in before Election Day. There are no reports of which we are aware that any noncitizens registered
or voted knowing that they were ineligible. Even assuming there were no matching errors, and
leaving aside the critical question of intent, if all 552 remaining individuals were in fact noncitizens
when they cast their votes, the overall noncitizen voting rate would have been 0.017%.

considering the policy you're defending claims to have identiied nearly 200,000 supposedly ineligible voters--the majority of whom are non-whites--it's no wonder the doj has a problem with it--as should all americans who truly believe in equal rights for every citizen.

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I don't know how much you know about illegals or if you know any or enough of them
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except for almost exactly 8 months last year, i've lived the majority of my life in what was once known as el pueblo de nuestra señora la reina de los angeles del río de porciúncula. in case that, in of itself, doesn't resulve your concern about who and what i know in this regard, lemme clarify by lettn you knnow i've lived among and interacted with illegals of all nationalities on such a frequent basis, doing otherwise would be the exception.  on behalf of clients and employers, i've provided whatever assistance i was able to nearly a dozen of their employees or my co-workers in their ultimately successful efforts to gain legal citizenship.  although i've never done it, i know where and from whom i could obtain a complete set of manufactured id documents of what i've been assured to be nearly undetectable quality. 

i've been privy to countless tales of all sorta of nefarious schemes and extra-legal activities (related to me by participants both citizens and non-citizens), but have never once heard--or been told by or about anyone who i know or who i know who knows someone who knows someone ad infinitum--of any non-citizen desiring, much less attempting, to cast a vote in our elections.

on the other hand, i've seen a number of politically motivated attempts--several first-hand in my presence, not all in california btw--to intimidate legal citizens who appeared to be of hispanic or african descent in hopes of dissuading them from from casting votes.

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voter fraud organizations like ACORN use illegals and even dead people to commit voter fraud
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prove it.  rather than jerking us all off with vague accusations or unsubstantiated partisan allegations by internet tabloid journals and talk radio demagogues, please cite data determined to be factual by a preponderance of the evidence as deternined by either jurists or jurors at the conclusion of prosecution of criminal or civil proceedings on behalf of the citizens of the united or any individual state of this nation.

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Proof of citizenship requirements would indeed tend to keep illegals away from the polls
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you're still a citizen of the other state which has enacted this sorta law?   how's that been working out? 

by now some beancounter (if not a battalion of them) musta compiled enough data with which we can all see a dramatic drop in ballots cast by those not eligible to do so...or even total votes cast, for that matter.   how muc has it cost?  any determination as to whether that money might be equally well disposed of by simply dumping it into the grand canyon?

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by now some beancounter (if not a battalion of them) musta compiled enough data with which we can all see a dramatic drop in ballots cast by those not eligible to do so...or even total votes cast, for that matter. how muc has it cost? any determination as to whether that money might be equally well disposed of by simply dumping it into the grand canyon?
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An awfully convoluted argument against a very simple, and morally straightforward, principle.  How can you struggle so mightily against assuring that those who vote are truly eligible to do so?

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How can you struggle so mightily against assuring that those who vote are truly eligible to do so?
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perhaps because i still recall when 'assuring that those who vote are truly eligible' meant poll taxes, tests, arbitrary office hours and brute force intended to prevent citizens from ever qualifiying for eligibility status. 

perhaps it's because i consider firearm registration galaxies less vulnerable to abuse than forcing citizens to "haff your papers mit you at all times und present them on demand". 

perhaps because none of us should have to lay out a couple hundred bucks for a passport in order to visit canada.

whichever the case, you seem to have overlooked my questions about arizona's voter id law.

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perhaps because i still recall when 'assuring that those who vote are truly eligible' meant poll taxes, tests, arbitrary office hours and brute force intended to prevent citizens from ever qualifiying for eligibility status.
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And this is pertinent, now, exactly how?

forcing citizens to "haff your papers mit you at all times und present them on demand"
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What drivel.*  You know perfectly well that's not what we're talking about.  How often do elections occur?  How difficult is it to prepare to exercise the right to vote?  If I can figure out when and where to vote, I can figure out how to be sure I'm not turned away at the polls for lack of evidence of legal residence or proof of identity.  It ain't that 'onerous,' kb.

*Although I can imagine a domestic version of the Brown Shirts being an acceptable idea to Obama - he's said almost as much already.

You've already said it's not a problem - illegals don't want to vote (even though you can't provide the sort of proof you demand from others).  So where's the beef?

As for that last item.  Not having any Black Panther poll intimidators in Arizona (that I know about), things have been working out OK so far here.  To borrow your tactic, I've not heard of anyone who's heard of anyone who can confirm that a legally registered voter presenting to a polling place was successfully intimidated into not voting in Arizona.  Soon as such is 'determined to be factual by a preponderance of the evidence as deternined by either jurists or jurors at the conclusion of prosecution of criminal or civil proceedings on behalf of the citizens of the united or any individual state of this nation,' I'll let you know.

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kingbee, there is absolutely no connection between verifying someone is a LIVING US CITIZEN and checking trying to block a certain RACE from voting. That argument is just pathetic.

Also, bad german accent? really? and you accuse us of being racists.

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To borrow your tactic, I've not heard of anyone who's heard of anyone who can confirm that a legally registered voter presenting to a polling place was successfully intimidated into not voting in Arizona. Soon as such is 'determined to be factual by a preponderance of the evidence as deternined by either jurists or jurors at the conclusion of prosecution of criminal or civil proceedings on behalf of the citizens of the united or any individual state of this nation,' I'll let you know.
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altho i'd never hold you to that sorta standard (because i've no concerns about you responding with deliberate disinformation ripped from the virtual pages of such illustrious online purveyors of freshly pulled out their ass fantasy as worldweeklynews), you may be presented with an opportunity to do all that anyway once this is finally adjudicated:  

Gonzalez v. Arizona; Navajo Nation v. Brewer; Purcell v. Gonzalez

(page last updated June 5, 2009 at 4:50 PM)

Case Information

Current Court: U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (Case 06-16702, 06-16706, 08-17094)
All Courts: U.S. District Court, District of Arizona (Case 2:06-cv-01268-ROS and 3:06-cv-1575-PHX-ROS); U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (Case 06-16702, 06-16706, 08-17094); U.S. Supreme Court (Case 06A375, 06A379; 06-532, 06-533)
Topic(s): Voter ID
State: Arizona
Date Filed: May 9, 2006

Issue:

Whether Arizona's voter identification requirements disparately impact minorities in the state and, as such, are unconstitutional.

Status:

Judgment for the Defendants granted by district court on 8/20/08.  Notice of Appeal filed on 9/16/08.  Appellants, Inter Tribal Council of AZ, submitted second opening brief (the first having been stricken due to an error in the document) on 1/7/09. Opening brief submitted by Plaintiff-Appellants, Gonzalez, et.al. 1/21. Amicus Briefs filed 1/28-29. Amicus brief filed 2/10. Appellees file unopposed motion to extend time to file answer brief until 3/23 on 2/17; Motion Granted 3/2.

link

 

btw, one of the plaintiffs (if she's still alive) is now a 98-year-old arizonan named shirley preiess who claims she'd voted in 19 presidential elections prior to 2008 when she wasn't permitted to register for last years election. 

here's what's up with shirley priess (although i'm guessing you may already be familiar with her) :

  • Born at home in Clinton, Kentucky in 1910
  • Never had a birth certificate; never needed a passport
  • Taught school for decades
  • Has voted in every presidential election since FDR was first elected in 1932
  • Moved to Arizona nearly two years ago so that her 78-year-old son and his wife could help look after her
  • Has a Social Security Card, Medicare Card, Drivers Licenses going back decades
  • Barred from voting in Arizona because she lacks required proof-of-citizenshi

 

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ooooops...here's another arizonan being deprived of her right to vote as told in her own words:

 

Testimony of Eva Steele
House Committee on Administration

My name is Eva Steele. I am 57 years old and I live at Desert Palms Assisted Living Center in Mesa Arizona. I grew up in a small town called Kirksville, Missouri, about 180 miles from Kansas City. My family lived there for generations. We are a patriotic family and we have always had a sense of civic duty. My grandfather was the town constable, a tradition begun by his father before him. My daughter was in law enforcement for eight years. And my son is now fighting in Iraq; fighting to make sure that the Iraqi people can have their voices heard by voting in democratic elections. He is in his 20th year in the military and I am very proud of him.
I first registered to vote when I graduated from High School and I am pleased to say that I voted in nearly every election after that. Each election day I would get a call from my mother asking me if I had voted yet. Then my grandmother would call making sure I knew when the polls closed. You see, in our family we considered it our patriotic duty to participate in our democracy. We all vote and we always have. It was and is as important to us as our family tradition of putting up the flag and placing flowers on graves each and every Memorial Day.
I worked hard raising my four children. I have been a single mom, and I am proud to have instilled in my children the same values of honesty, integrity, civic responsibility and love of our country that I learned growing up in a small town in the Midwest.
Like so many others I moved to Arizona to live out my retirement years and I have lived here for seven months. I am a woman of very limited means. In fact, I have been disabled for seven years and my only income is disability. I am no longer able to drive. I have physical disabilities that make it very difficult for me to take public transportation. I don’t have a driver’s license. I have never been outside of the United States and I have never owned a passport. And I don’t have a birth certificate.
I wanted to register to vote here, but I was shocked to learn that the new proof-of-citizenship requirements passed with the Arizona Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act or Prop 200 have made it impossible for me to do so. I cannot tell you how this pains me. Life is hard enough for disabled people like me without the added insult of being excluded from participating in our democracy. I do not have the economic means to pay the fees associated with obtaining the documents necessary to prove citizenship.
If somehow, I were to be able to register, Prop 200’s proof of identity requirements would prohibit me from voting at the polls because I do not have any of the documents required to prove my identity.
I live in an assisted living center and I do not have utility bills or property tax statements. I do not drive so I don’t have a car insurance card or a vehicle registration card. Whether unintentional or not, those who drafted this law could not have done a better job of ensuring that the voices of people like me and others in similar circumstances would be effectively silenced. It feels as though I am being punished for having the misfortune of being disabled with a low income.
I am not an illegal immigrant. It is clear to me that the barriers to voting imposed by Prop 200 are doing nothing to stem the tide of illegal immigration. But they are certainly keeping law-abiding citizens like me from voting. While my son fights for the right of Iraqi citizens to vote, his own mother is prohibited from voting here in the only country she has ever known. That, to me, is un-American. We must eliminate these barriers to voting here in Arizona. And I ask that you oppose any efforts to enact similar barriers to voting at the national level. Thank you very much.

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there is absolutely no connection between verifying someone is a LIVING US CITIZEN and checking trying to block a certain RACE from voting. That argument is just pathetic.
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i guess you musta missed the part of the original post in which id was whining about the department of justice determining there is exactly that connection in the state of georgia.  it's the reason georgia's current policy is being halted. 

as far as the colonel klink thing being racist, the only germans who saw (or see) themselves as a race rather than a nationality were der duck's nazi buddies and i have no qualms about claiming they "vanted us to take out our teeth und valuables und put them in der bag" cuz they "ver goink to gif us a geshower". 

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Drivers license use to be a pretty good form of ID. Now that liberals want to give them to illegals, it does present a problem where previously none existed.