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Couple ordered to stop holding bible study at home without permit

Couple ordered to stop holding bible study at home without permit

Wow. I mean, wow!

San Diego county is demanding that people stop inviting friends over to their home for a bible study on the grounds that they do not have a permit.

This is why, I don’t care where you stand on most political issues, I fear government power.

A lot of people view politics as either liberal or conservative.

I view it as the tug of war between those who push for anarchy and those who push for tyranny.  We live in the relatively comfortable area in-between.  However, in the past 50 years, we have seen a pretty steady march towards tyranny brought on by both political parties.

The Republicans invite tyranny in the name of “Security” and the Democrats invite tyranny in the name of “Fairness”.  But no matter how you spin it, tyranny means a loss of liberty for the individual.

I’m not religious but it’s none of my business what my neighbors do in the privacy of their own home as long as they are not infringing on the rights of others.

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Reply #26 Top

not really appropriate
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One person's opinion.

Reply #27 Top

We have 15 people over during get togethers very regularly. Do I need a permit too?
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If you have to ask, checking with your municipality should be a good idea. That's the kind of situation that no one really care about until there is a complaint, and then someone shows up and check the law.

 

Reply #28 Top

If you included me: How was I insulting or making fun of anyone?
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You forgot "focusing on Fox making a mistake". You see, I didn't leave you out. :thumbsup:

Reply #29 Top

However, if the street is as crowded as I suspect with that many people, the neighbors might not be out of line complaining. Especially if the excessive cars hinder emergency vehicles from getting where they need to be. I don't know about you but if I need paramedics, I don't want them to have to "go around the block" to get to me because it is faster than asking a dozen people to move their vehicles.

Even throwing that worst case scenario out, I don't want to have to go hunt down some unknown individual so I can get out of my carport either.
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I agree, this should have been about the damage to the neighbors vehicle and about the crowded road these bible studies may have been causing. This should not have been about them unlawfully congregating for religious reasons.

Reply #30 Top

the crowded road these bible studies may have been causing
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Even that is an 'invented' problem.

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I would venture a guess that these bible study/prayer meetings they're talking about are probably about two hours or so.   At once a week or once a month I think it's pretty petty if you ask me.  The one I have at my house is about 90 minutes once a week and with a little chit chat it may go as far as 2 hours for any that do stick around. 

We've also had grad parties/bbq's/New Year's parties and birthday parties that have gone up in numbers at my house to more than 100. 

My bet is there's someone on the street that probably doesn't care too much for Christians and went after them.  Happens all the time. I have one on my street that won't give me the time of day as soon as she found out I was a "believer."   If this was a quiet drinking party or a poker game, probably nothing would have been said by this same neighbor. 

 

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My bet is there's someone on the street that probably doesn't care too much for Christians and went after them. Happens all the time.
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Sorry, but that's very presumptuous of you.

But since you've broached the subject, the most unfriendly neighbor on my block is the most flagrantly Christian, with the cross-shaped pool in the back yard.  Eleven years, nary a word or a wave.  So it cuts both ways.  Some of the kindest, most generous and friendly people I know are Christians.  Some of the most judgmental, insufferable and intolerant people I know are Christians.

Reply #33 Top

You forgot "focusing on Fox making a mistake". You see, I didn't leave you out.
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Au contraire my friend, I even mentioned NBC, CNN and other so called liberal news groups bias. So :p .

 

At once a week or once a month I think it's pretty petty if you ask me.
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Laws and codes are laws and codes - if they violated one then they should face the consequences, right? Why should any one group, people, or person be any exception right?

 

My bet is there's someone on the street that probably doesn't care too much for Christians and went after them. Happens all the time. I have one on my street that won't give me the time of day as soon as she found out I was a "believer." If this was a quiet drinking party or a poker game, probably nothing would have been said by this same neighbor.
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Yup, I admit it, it was me! I go all over the states hunting down believers and turning them in; I was trained and am backed by the ACLU, everyone's favorite group. Heck, just the other day I turned in a Christian in Jersey; what fun.

>_>

 

 

Reply #34 Top

with the cross-shaped pool in the back yard.
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You're kidding right? Wow...so...does that make the water in his pool holy? ^_^

 

 

Reply #35 Top

You're kidding right?
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Nope, but you'll have to take my word for it.

Reply #36 Top

Nope, but you'll have to take my word for it.
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I've no reason not to; still though, it just seems too silly to be true.

Reply #38 Top

This is why you should never ever get any News story from Fox News.
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And why is that?  Fox News merely reported the exact story that the San Diego news station covered a couple of days previously.  It's called reporting and that's what is supposed to happen on "news" programs. 

Reply #39 Top

And why is that? Fox News merely reported the exact story that the San Diego news station covered a couple of days previously. It's called reporting and that's what is supposed to happen on "news" programs.
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Personally, my only issue is that what I've subsequently read is different than what Fox (or the SD news station) reported. Someone somewhere is getting their wires crossed.

 

 

Reply #40 Top

my only issue is that what I've subsequently read is different than what Fox (or the SD news station) reported.
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Not substantively.

Reply #41 Top

Not substantively.
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It still shows a lack of effort to confirm sources and make sure what they reported truly happened the way they say. Otherwise over time their credibility is shot (remind you of any news agencies?).

Reply #42 Top

And why is that? Fox News merely reported the exact story that the San Diego news station covered a couple of days previously. It's called reporting and that's what is supposed to happen on "news" programs.
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I know when I want the "full" or "true" story I need to go on Fox.  I watched closely the whole ruckus with Miss California and saw quite a diff story on ABC in contrast to Fox.  ABC chose to leave out some very important comments that Mr. Perez made on his blog that Fox covered in its entirety.  On top of that they gave Mr. Perez the last word as tho he was the victim not Miss California. 

Sorry, but that's very presumptuous of you.
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not really because I've seen it happen many times before.  I'm basing my "guess" on past experiences and testimonies. Like I said it happens all the time.  I'm not complaining merely saying it goes with the territory. 

But since you've broached the subject, the most unfriendly neighbor on my block is the most flagrantly Christian, with the cross-shaped pool in the back yard. Eleven years, nary a word or a wave. So it cuts both ways.
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I suppose it could but your neighbor doesn't sound like a Christian to me.  A Christian is Christ-like.  Of course I can only go by what you're saying.  Usually when they are "flagrant" it's more about their religion than their relationship to Christ.  I know what you're saying is true because I've seen that too.  Usually they have large Christian statues in their yard or Christian symbols all over the place.  Not a great example is it?  I agree. 

The guy that power washes all our homes in our neighborhood even picked up on my neighbor's dislike for Christians.  He made a comment that "God was good to him" after she asked how his business was going.   After he made  that comment she immediately changed her countenance towards him and he knew.  He mentioned this to me later when he did my home because he said something along the same lines to me as he did to her but got a diff reaction out of me.  

But I still made her cookies at Christmas like I did all my neighbors.  So I'm not like your neighbor.  I do wave and smile. 

Christians know the gospel offends.  It can be very offensive. 

 

Reply #43 Top

The guy that power washes all our homes in our neighborhood even picked up on my neighbor's dislike for Christians.
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"..and verily, the lord god spake therefore unto the masses saying, "lo, yo, it be not comely for thou who art a majority to wallow in paranoia and adopteth a persecution complex, wailing and weeping without end and saying one to another "we shall surely be martyrs' for it is a conceit, and smelleth from up here very much like self-exaltation."

Reply #44 Top

I suppose it could but your neighbor doesn't sound like a Christian to me.  A Christian is Christ-like.  Of course I can only go by what you're saying.  Usually when they are "flagrant" it's more about their religion than their relationship to Christ.  I know what you're saying is true because I've seen that too.  Usually they have large Christian statues in their yard or Christian symbols all over the place.  Not a great example is it?

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I agree. a "cross-shaped pool" doesn't sound very Christian to me.

I somehow doubt that this is what rabbi Jeshua had in mind when he preached love.

(Heavens, a swimming pool formed like a torture device...)

 

Reply #45 Top

I agree. a "cross-shaped pool" doesn't sound very Christian to me.

I somehow doubt that this is what rabbi Jeshua had in mind when he preached love.
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A cross shaped pool doesn't make or unmake a Christian.  Christianity has nothing to do with the outward but all about the inward.  It's not about cherished possessions but all about cherishing people. 

That's why Christ said the world will know you belong to me when they see your love towards others not what kind of pool you have in the backyard.

 

Reply #46 Top

I agree, this should have been about the damage to the neighbors vehicle and about the crowded road these bible studies may have been causing. This should not have been about them unlawfully congregating for religious reasons.
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Well... considering the city only INVESTIGATED when it received complains about CARS and after investigating decided not to persue it....

Reply #47 Top

Yup, I admit it, it was me! I go all over the states hunting down believers and turning them in; I was trained and am backed by the ACLU, everyone's favorite group. Heck, just the other day I turned in a Christian in Jersey; what fun.
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Hmm, no chuckle? Darn, I was hoping for at least one laugh.

Reply #48 Top

I think it's interesting that the city said that it was about concern for the rights of the neighbors to not have all those cars cluttering their curbs... but for the fee of 10s of thousands of dollars the city would tell the neighbors to quit their whining. lol

 

Btw, the ACLU lost any credibility it may have had when it enabled Phelps and his goons to harrass people at the funerals of fallen troops.

 

Piss on the ACLU and anyone in that cesspool of lice.

Reply #49 Top

I thought the money was in the application for the permit.  Eg to pay the people to asses the impact this group had on the local community, and the cul-de-sac that they held it in.

 

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Btw, the ACLU lost any credibility it may have had when it enabled Phelps and his goons to harrass people at the funerals of fallen troops.
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So freedom of speech and assembly is only good so long as it's the way you want? I'm no fan of phelps, nor do I agree with the crap he does, but you either are for such freedoms, or you are not. You cannot be selective about them otherwise that sets a precedent to be selective about them in the future.