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Tried everything, please help me: Massive ping spikes! (Update: june 16)

Tried everything, please help me: Massive ping spikes! (Update: june 16)

Only in 3v3, 4v4 and 5v5 games.

(23 may updates in replies #11 and #12)

(27 may update in Reply #18)

(16 june update in Reply #88)

I have this problem with my ping since when i bought the game. I've tried everything i know to solve or pinpoint the cause.

Problem:

  • I can't play any 3v3, 4v4 or 5v5 games because i get very, very big ping spikes (<1500). It gets worse as the game gets bigger (in a 3v3 match the spikes appear at intervals of 5-15 minutes, in a 4v4 match they appear at intervals of 5-15 seconds and in 5v5 matches it's almost constant at 1000-1500 ping). I can connect to everyone, no problems here, and in the lobby i have good ping to everyone (max 200, green). But as soon as the game starts, the ping spikes at 700-1500, affecting everyone in the game.

I must say that i can play any 1v1 or 2v2 matches, no problem here: it doesn't matter where the players are located, it doesn't spikes at all. I've tried on Gameranger so i can see the players location, and i've played fine with people from Asia, Australia, US, Europe, it makes no difference, no spikes from me.

 

My PC specs and internet connection:

  • Intel Core 2 E6400, 4 GB ram, 8800 GT, Asus P5B (motherboard), Creative X-FI. Played in 1360x760 on 16:9 TV screen. No FPS or sim speed problems.
  • My connection is 4Mb download, 1Mb upload (on paper). Direct cable modem connection. No router, no wireless.

 

What i have tried:

  • On my Vista x64, i have no firewall, my antivirus is disabled, no other programs left to run in the background (any kind of downloader)
  • All my drivers are up to date (including the network card on my motherboard).
  • Just to be sure it's not a software problem, i've tried Demigod on a clean Windows install (Win 7), just Demigod and drivers, and it didn't changed the situation.

 

Next, i will show you 3 recorded games, first one is a 3v3 match, the second is 4v4 match and last is a 5v5 match.

I used CamStudio to record and BitMeter to show the network usage in real time (with average upload and downlod). Please note that BitMeter shows the speed of the connection in kB (kiloBYTES). All videos are HD, so you can clearly see the numbers.

 

3v3 gamehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSPpRUm1e8I

You can see that the spikes appear for a short duration, and only from time to time. The average upload and download speed is around 13-14 kilobytes/sec (that's 104-112 kilobits). Note that as soon as the ping spike comes, the maximum upload and downlod speed grows a little bit, from 15-17 kB/sec(~128kilobits/s) peak, to 23-24 kB/sec (~184 kilobits/s) peak. Still in my connection limits (4096 kilobits/s download / 1024 kilobits/s upload).

4v4 game:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hyoYIVN7P8

Here you can see the pings i have in the lobby with all players (all green and maximum ping is 133). Then, as soon as the game starts, the spikes go as high as 1400, with only a few seconds of normality, then again to 1400 and so on. Much smaller intervals than in 3v3 matches. Note that the maximum download and upload speeds have rised to 34 kB/sec (272 kilobits/s) for upload peak, and 41 kB/sec (328 kilobits/s) for download peak, still in my connection limits (4096 kilobits/s download / 1024 kilobits/s upload).

5v5 game:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQPQkoNMGqA

This is the most extreme, i get constant ping spikes of 700-1500, freezing the game for everybody. You can still see the pings in the lobby are normal. In the game, the maximum download and upload speeds are a bit higher than in the 4v4 game, but not by much: ~46 kB/sec (~368 kilobits/s) for upload and download peaks. Still in my connection limits (4096 kilobits/s download / 1024 kilobits/s upload).

 

As i've said, i'm connected directly to my cable modem, no wireless, no router.

I've tested my connection on speedtest.net, on a couple of servers from around the world, so i can show it to you. Note that i'm located in Europe!

First picture is from servers located in Europe:

EUROPE

 

The second picture is from US servers (note the distances from me, as i've said, i'm from Europe):

US servers

 

The last picture is from servers from the rest of the world (Asia, Australia, etc), located at great distances:

 

As you can see, i don't think my connection is too slow. At least in Europe i have great pings and upload speed. I've tried 4v4 matches on Gameranger and i've made sure all the players were from Europe, but i still get ping spikes. It doesn't matter with who i play and from where.

 

So if it's not my PC, and it's not my connection setup from home, than it must be either the ISP or the software (Demigod). The only way i know an ISP could cause this problem, is by throttling the p2p bandwidth. I've tried some torrents and they worked fine. More, i've done this P2P test, to see if my P2P connection is throttled. It's not! See the result below:

P2P

 

So this is it, i don't know what else to do. If someone can help me pinpoint the cause, i would be grateful. I would appreciate if someone from Stardock (or GPG) would look over this.

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Reply #126 Top

Quoting deverauxde, reply 23
Sign me up. I played the whole evening and did not have one game without spikes.

Any games, even 1v1, 2v2 and 3v3?

Reply #127 Top

Quoting SoundOfDeath, reply 24
Seeing as when this thread was started i cant believe this is still a problem and that NO ONE has said anything to us about it. That just makes me despise a company. Horrible business practice IMO and i probably wont be buying anymore games from theese companies unless this adressed soon.

Its still a problem with DoW2 and thats almost 2 months older, problem is they might not be able to replicate the issue (as its very dependant on a users geographic location and setup) so could be taking a lot longer to solve as a result.

Reply #128 Top

Quoting XSive_Death, reply 2

Quoting SoundOfDeath, reply 24Seeing as when this thread was started i cant believe this is still a problem and that NO ONE has said anything to us about it. That just makes me despise a company. Horrible business practice IMO and i probably wont be buying anymore games from theese companies unless this adressed soon.

Its still a problem with DoW2 and thats almost 2 months older, problem is they might not be able to replicate the issue (as its very dependant on a users geographic location and setup) so could be taking a lot longer to solve as a result.

 

Too true, i stopped playing dow2 because of the same issue, anything over 2v2 is spikey.

Reply #129 Top

Quick update if you would please.

Has the problem been solved yet?

Reply #130 Top

Negative. Still no news.

Reply #131 Top

Don't hold your breath - I've been complaining about this for months. It seems the developers are content to pretend it's not a big problem.

Reply #133 Top

I recently downloaded Demigod and played at a local Net cafe that had 2.5x my upload rate (from .41mbps to 1.01 mbps), which, considering the fact that I have tried Demigod with no other programs installed on my computer (eliminating packet sniffing), and with no router (to eliminate possible hardware-firewall problems), and taking into account that simspeed requirements are an exponential increase instead of additive, meant that I should not have been able to play 5v5 games. But I could. Not that it matters, but this computer also had lower specs than mine, including half the ram (who uses 1 gig of ram nowadays?!?!!). Simply put, the problem is unlikely to be on our side.

 

Did Ghost already run this test? I can't remember ><

Reply #134 Top

did anyone of you try Heroes of Newerth? its way better then demigod, because it actually works! its currently in beta and connectivity is working like a charm... maybe because they host their own servers. not like gpg/sd! gpg nad sd should take a look on that game so they can learn for the future how games are made successfully... hf guys :ninja:   

 

R.I.P. Demigod

Reply #136 Top

dude, they took my money, gave me a game that i cant play and now i cant even tell other people to not do the same mistake? ^^

where do you come from? XD

Reply #137 Top

You didn't tell other people no to do the same "mistake". You said

Quoting TheBird, reply 9
did anyone of you try Heroes of Newerth? its way better then demigod, because it actually works! its currently in beta and connectivity is working like a charm... maybe because they host their own servers. not like gpg/sd! gpg nad sd should take a look on that game so they can learn for the future how games are made successfully... hf guys   

 

R.I.P. Demigod
hence a troll post.

Reply #138 Top

I hear HoN sucks. But back to the point. Has any progress been made?

Reply #139 Top

Just tried a 3v3 on with a host near where I live.  Still broke.  Still no word back.  It's been almost 3 months with this problem.  I'm pretty much over it.  I'm asking for a refund.   x_x  

Reply #140 Top

Quoting enginuity, reply 14
Just tried a 3v3 on with a host near where I live.  Still broke.  Still no word back.  It's been almost 3 months with this problem.  I'm pretty much over it.  I'm asking for a refund.    

I doubt you can get a refund if you've had it 3 months mate. I know I wouldn't give you one :P

Reply #141 Top

well he first mentioned the problem on the 7th of June so he's been kind enough to give Stardock/GPG almost 2 months to fix the problem, I Think (being the great people that they are), there wouldn't be any problem with a refund.

DoW2 also suffered from this but apparently it might just be fixed in the newest patch, the patch notes say "Fixed a networking bug that caused users to lag and disconnect due to a proxy communication problem." and the usual sufferers arn't reporting any problems yet. Its vague, but it might help point the way to solving the issue with Demigod.

Reply #142 Top

I haven't been on to try lately, but a friend who is trying the demo is experiencing the same issues.  From our private forum:

 

Quoting MyFriend,
[quote who="MyFriend"][quote who="AdmShatan"]I got the game.  It's fun.

I'm suffering from some lag spikes though.  It seems to affect a small portion of the game users.  It makes the game unplayable for anything larger than 2v2.

I don't know if a patch has been released to address it or not, I'll take another look.  I was hoping it would get fixed sooner, because I was really getting into the game, now I'm just ambivalent.  Not because the game is bad, it's just I can't play it.


Yeah, if the demo is any indication, there is something odd going on. I could not join anyone else's game. I hosted my own, and while playable on 3 vs. 3, there was certainly some lag every 20-30 seconds. Now, my upload is not fantastic, but surely 12mb down / 868kb up is enough to support a 6 player game... right? I mean, I used to host 6 players in Rainbow Six on 56k :/

On the plus side, it's a pretty fun game, if they actually fix it.[/quote]

...annnd I have been accused of being on 56k. It has come full circle :([/quote]

 

Okay, well, I got the block to show up, but not the names.  Whatever, The two outside replies are his, not mine.  Mine is the innermost posting.

Reply #143 Top

Yea, Stardock is good people.  Just bad times with this game.  They said they would process the refund.  Their policy is a 60 day limit on paypal account refunds and 90 days on regular credit/debit card account refunds.  I was getting close to 3 months but didn't hit the limit just yet.  I'll just be a little more wary with the next cool online game GPG develops.

Who knows, a few months down the road I might swing by to see if this problems been fixed!  I wish you guys the best of luck with the game.  Stay cool!   :thumbsup:  

Reply #144 Top

Quoting enginuity, reply 18
Yea, Stardock is good people.  Just bad times with this game.  They said they would process the refund.  Their policy is a 60 day limit on paypal account refunds and 90 days on regular credit/debit card account refunds.  I was getting close to 3 months but didn't hit the limit just yet.  I'll just be a little more wary with the next cool online game GPG develops.

Who knows, a few months down the road I might swing by to see if this problems been fixed!  I wish you guys the best of luck with the game.  Stay cool!    

Glad you got a refund, hope to see you back soon :grin:

Reply #146 Top

update = broken game now bah...

 

impulse is cranky with something won't update itself and the manual DL from the front page DL saection keeps saying its corrupt when i DL it.  Don't have a problem with any other game.

 

so I'm kind of SOL right now.  Impulse won't update even after fresh install so demi won't update so no I'm boned.

 

at least I'm in the HON beta which runs far better anyways,  whats the point of a pretty game if it doesn't run?

Reply #147 Top

I've pretty much taken a vacation from Demigod till the bug is fixed.

Reply #149 Top

None, I'm afraid. I've requested an update on any information through the August Monthly Demigod Community Question Thread, found here.