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Cool video.

Samurye.

lmfao. Chinese use blitzkrieg? Ha. They would have to move thier troops 10,000 miles acorss the Pacific first, then perform a Amphib assault (which they dont have the equipment for), and mass in large enough numbers to even perform basic blitzkrieg strategy.  Throw in their being 9 guns for every 10 people in America and im pretty sure we can kick the Chinese ass if they so much as even attempted to invade us. The only way they even have the chance of beating us is if its in a third party country (i.e. North Korea). If we fought them in China, they would lose because many of their people want democracy and would revolt in hopes of overthrowing the communist state. short of attacking our economy (which they would only do if they had a true consumer middle class) they cant beat us. our military is too well trained and theirs isn't. we win. period

America is unlikely to use nukes ever again. Nukes have a terrible reputation. If the President used nukes in war, he is sure to lose the next election. The American people would be outraged. Thats why the U.S invented daisycutter bombs.

All modern military "army vs army" warfare is based on Blitzkrieg.

Over 40% of chinese people want MORE government control according to a recent survey in the news. The rest want it to stay the same. Look at Tiananmen Square. It was only a few Uni students and they sent in the tanks. How do you think they would respond with a massive uprising on their hands? The resistance wouldn't last long.

Anyway, it is rediculous to say that  some country "just has to do this or that and the war will be won."  Thats what everyone said in WW1. Look how that turned out.

Winning wars is messy. Its not all about "moving our merry men like chess pieces then delivering the knockout blow and coming home for Christmas with a wonderful victory." It's never that simple.

Military plans never survive first contact with the enemy.

Keep telling yourself that. America would hold back a Chinise amphibous invasion, but America wouldn't be able to invade China. American soldiers probobly are better trained, but that didn't help much against the Koreans or the Vietnamese.

Give 9 guns for every 10 chinese people and America is GREATLY outnumbered militarily. You make winning wars sound so easy. Underestimate your foe and you are begging to lose.

^^^Your are right, and im not doubting if you underestimate you lose (future marine here). Howver, they dont have the militray-industrial complex to support a wide war like we do. they have more people and yet we are still far more powerful, and their culture is ten times ours in age. Vietnam we won every battle but lost the war because we didn't have the political resolve to win. Korea is just a ? mark because even though we did contain them, we didnt gain anything either.

Not entirely true. Many smaller armies have the adopted the tactic of "hugging" the enemy so that even though they might be outnumbered or outgunned, they can still cause mass casaulties. Example: Vietnam, the Vietcong. The chinese have never fought a large scale mechanized war and have no real idea how to. Our training would beat them. It would't be easy and i apoligize if i made it sound that way, but we would win in the long run. It would even help our economy because of all the manufacturing jobs created for the war

And the last part about China and democracy. they have a massive underground democracy movement, but as you stated about Tianamen, if they came public they would be crushed. They want democracy but don't have the power to obtain it. If they were to go to war with us though and their military is occupied they could easily overthrow the communist government. And example of an action like this would be the Bolsheveks. Army occupied, cause chaos and seize power.

If we went to war with China we would not need to use a single ground troop, that is if we didnt want to. We could force the government to simply surrender by wiping out it military capacity and civil infulstructure using conventional bombs and missiles. If we wanted to change the government we might need send in troops, if they refused to sign a treaty that forced a new government.

i know there are losts of posts before mine and i havent read but 7 of them, so i wont add anything except this funny song i was reminded of wile watching the vid:

the chinese go marching 8 by 8 hoorah hoorah
the chinese go marching 8 by 8 hoorah hoorah
the chinese go marching 8 by 8 the short one stops to pick some grapes
and they all go marching down into the ground to get away from the bombs.

lol

Hahaha!

Intelligent reply, Ackerman.

This is extremely important. The American people don't have the stomach for a full-scale war. America is learning anti-terrorist tactics, but China's population is so huge, America could never keep an eye on all of them.

Trying to occupying the country would be an absolute nighmare. Checking over a billion people to see if that peasant isn't a sniper or cyber hacker would be logistically impossibe. Anti-war marches in America would likely be common. The occupation would last a lifetime at least, and the American people would get sick of it.

Read my previous post. China does have defences. America's forces are overall better, but if you didn't send in groundtroops you couldn't hold down the country. Thats why the U.S occupied Japan after the beat them from the air.

Interesting websites:

www.indiadaily.com/editorial/06-18-04/asp

www.defencenet.org/archives/000976.

Good points all. Especially at full-scale war. with the advent of modern day media people have war beamed straight to their televisions and get bored with it after a while. that or they become so sickened with it to the point they feel they must protest any war, when sometimes it is needed.

Oh, and dead-on about occupying China. Not gonna happen. We may win the war but there is no wa ywe would even attempt and occupation.

I thought the Naxi Germans did a pretty good job ruling the european continent.  If we defeat the chinese army, who is there to rebel?

In Iraq, they take potshots at us, and then we fuck their couch.

Same deal, maybe even more lethal with the Chinese

Only the 1.6 billion angry communists.

Samurye.

Sure, if there were 1.6 billion actual communists.  Im sure china follows the Italian "Hey, guiz, we're facists noa." "K" model.

OK, i'm bored and will read this thread.

The ignorance of history is astounding.  I try to find humor in it, but there is none. Strap on an M16, they can't shoot.  Try a book they can't read.  What you thought isn't relevant.

Would Nepal survive a conflict between China & India?

The answer is NO.

Put as many regional disputes as you wish, the only dividing line worth fighting for i see on Earth is the direct opposite of GMT -- every day, i might add.

During WWII.

During Vietnam people HATED the war. People hate this current war as well, but not so much. These days, people are less easily sucked in by war propoganda. War is unpopular.

Everyone thought that WWI was going to be a picnic. In a new major war, many Americans would question the purpose of the war. If they hated it enough, then they would elect someone else during the election.

The American people question their government more then say, Russia. They may support the war initially, but they would likely protest as the war draws out. This applies to the West in general though.

Exactly. If you can't occupy a country, then you cannot stop them from rising again.

You could, but not without likely starting a massive world war that would devestate the whole planet.

Samurye.

Yes.

And this country seems to be our 'friend'?

And if you haven't noticed, China is on a big push right now to get away from the U.S. $.

^^^not to mention a massive exspansion of their navy and development and construction of non-nuclear balistic missiles capable of sinking aircraft supercarriers. when the shit hits the fan, it ain't gonna be pretty

Facism wins

How strange, Memorial Day in the US. Had i known that 11 days later, the Chinese still can shoot an Astronaut of their own up in orbit.

Hubble telescope fixed though.

And Opportunity is 5 years past warrenty on Mars.

Thanks for Liberty, people.

Well, at least the democratic part of the population would. The Republicans... that's another pair of shoes...

But seriously: What all of you obviously fail to see is that China doesn't need to wage a war of troups and guns on anyone.

They'd wage a cyber and economical war on them. Face it, folks. Chinese hackers have hacked many government and DoD networks everywhere (but first and foremost in the US) already in the last couple of years. Also they have stolen and copied so much technology from everywhere all over the world that once they really make an effort they could sell stuff that any nation would like sell to export markets for half the price.

On the other hand there is hardly anything that the US really export at this time anyway, so in their case it would probably just be a cyber war...

Oh and North Korea isn't much of a militarisic threat to the world either. The only reason for their nuke program and testing is simply that Kim always gets a major hard-on whenever he can do some saber rattling...