Ideas for a new game

You're using an excess of caps in the OP Samurye. Strictly speaking, it should only be used for the first letters of names.

Here's a list of new units, categorised appropriately.

USSR2

Army

Engineers - the regular infantry available to Russian battalions. They are experienced in the field of engineering, and are armed with heavy weapons to destroy enemy vehicular power. They are most effective behind solid cover, as enemy armor can easily gun them down given the opportunity.

More will be added.

The Undying.

ok ill do the EU right now

European Union

Army:

Congolomerate forces - This body is made of the combined armies of all EU countries. The multinational forces work almost smoothly. their drawback is the different weapons they use, seeing that this is the only way to tell individual forces apart.

SAS - The British Special Air Service is the most decorated of all EU operating units. Trained to do everything from flanking attacks to tactical assaniations, they serve the multirole purpose of being the only Elite force in the EU.

Navy:

County Class Destroyer - This destroyer was an offshoot for anti aircraft defense for the Royal Navy's Fast but poorly armed fleet. Although gradually being phased out, it still proves pivitol versus attack aircraft.

Leander Class Frigate - The "bread and butter" unit of the EU Navy. Capable of Anti-Submersible and interdiction duties, its drawback is its poor firepower versus newer types such as the American DDG class. Nevertheless, it is a sturdy workhorse that will continue until the 21st century.

Resolution Class Ballistic Submarine - This aging submersible is being replaced by the newer Vanguard Class, but still retains its role as a nuculear deterrent.

Vanguard Class SSN - This class of submarine is multirole to the max, capable of Nuculear assualt, ship destruction, and Criuse Missile launching (albiet, nowhere near as accurate as the United States Tomahawk III).

Albion Class Landing Dock - This relatively unarmed ship is meant for one duty only, to carry enough aircraft to a point of conflict as rapidly as possible.

Invincible Class Carrier - This carrier is among the smallest of any ship under this designation, but it's compliment of Harrier Aircraft makes it formidible.

Air Force:

Eurofighter Typhoon - Using advanced Thrust Vectoring technologies, this fighter has been confirmed to be one of the best multirole 3rd generation fighter, superseeded only by the F-15 and F-22.

Saab Drakken: This high speed interceptor was developed to combat subsonic fighter bombers swiftly and accuratley.

Tornado GR4 : Used extensively in late 20th century conflicts, this strike aircraft proves to be an important asset, when it has adequate fighter cover.

Harrier GR7A : This Update on the Jump Jet classic includes improved engines, greater stability and improved thrust vectoring. Weapons payload and survivalibity is improved to compensate for its subsonic speed.

Sentry AEW1 : Comissioned to be an early warning scout, this aircraft provides support and jams enemy radio transmissions

Nimrod : A true classic from the cold war, capable of recon and ground ops observation. however it is prone to being shot down.

you might want to add these in their respective spots in the OP

EC-135 Spook - A Modified AC-130 airframe used to instill Shock and Awe within the warzone capable of broadcasting propaganda and instilling fear

E-3 Sentry - An advanced Radar/Command interface utilizing the most sofisticated technology avaliable, this unit relays orders and infromation in real time.

E-8 JSTARS - An Airborne battle platform designed to provide logistics for ground forces.

YAL-1 - An airborne laser platform designed to destroy enemy missles with advanced lasers. usually paored up with E-3 or E-8 aircraft.

RQ-4 Globla Hawk - An Advanced Robotic Observation craft designed to go long distances

A few things for US army

You forgot the marines corps. That there would acctualy be your "elite" Infantry.

The Rangers are acctual light infantry, a lot like scouts. there main perpose in the are is to conduct small actions to the enemy that are just a bother.

The Green Beret are your "comandoes" and are ment to go in undected by the enemy cuase a lot of havick and cripple there forces.

Also don't for get vechiles, Humvee, Bradleis, M1-Abams.

 And something for the Airforce. They are current working on a F-22 bomber version and would probally be done around 2035 its called the FB-22, its ment to replace the F-15. 

Also theres choppers: V-22 Ofsprey-transport  Ch-47 Chinook-transport Ah-1 Cobra-attack Ah-64 Apache-attack

And i must congratulate you on you home work.

How about f16s wich upgrade to f 22 s.

Sybertronic.

I ddin't write most of it. I took Mr. Blunt3d's list and added a few extra units.

As for ground vehicles and helicopters, i'm still researching those.

Marines will be added in soon.

As for F-16s that upgrade into F-22s: no. The idea is to have classes of fighter. F-16s would be the primary multirole jet, F-15s would be specialized fighter, and the F-22 would be a super expensive air-superiority fighter.

Samurye.

Ok heres some ideas first f 16 upgrades 2 f22.

and maybe u should put snipers as another harder 2 train unit.

Sniper -take longer 2 train but take any infintry man out with 1 shot from farther away and must be trained with marksmen(or there just faster at shooting with 1 so u dont hav  2 train 1 with your sniper).

I am also going 2 come up with ideas for one of the other factions wich 1 do u want me 2 do?

Also how do u get $ in the game?

Sybertronic.

You might want to get some real life data into your game.. (from wikipedia)

The figure you gave is larger the a Star Destroyer or the Excalibre (Crusade) etc...

Also "Although the Nimitz-class ships are the heaviest ships in the US Navy fleet they are not the longest ships in the fleet, with that distinction belonging to the aircraft carrier Enterprise - 1,123 ft (342 m)" (from wikiedpia)

As I said before, the F-16 will not upgrade to the F-22.

Infantry can be upgraded to use sniper rifles.

Good question. Ideas anyone?

Samuyre.

Fixed.

I'm thining of changing the combatants to my original idea: China/Russsia/North Korea on one side, U.S./South Korea/Japan on another, and NATO (minus the U.S.) on another. What do you guys think?

Samurye.

I assume that you're being sarcastic, so I apoligize. More information will come up as we research our information, and any discrepancies should be fixed. If you see anything wrong, please tell us so that we can fix it.

Samurye.

Can it go to the middle of Australian dessert???

dont worry hack, the statement is just a common term for the nimitz. In Reality, its volume is just about 4 km (compared to the Volumes of star wars ships, its puny) Did you actually think the Nimitz was 4km long?

i had an idea that money wasnt a problem, but rather base it off how much territory and what logistics you can use, such as if a Ranger team captures an abandoned airport it becomes an Air Force base.

what i am trying to say is that mabey you start off with only amphibious units (or land based units) then you capture certain structures (Docks, Airports, Factories, etc) to unlock access to other weapons.

i am just asking what diversit and balince will be in the game? Make the EU soulders more numberes? US Air and Armor stronger but more expensive? and the Chines just cheap? so i am asking is this going to be a US only concering game?

That is what we are working on. Nothing has really been set up so far, as the story and unt lists are still taking shape. So far it looks like the U.S. units will be rather effective but absurdly expensive and only useful in late game scenarios, China/Russia will have the benefit of mass production at a low cost and would have to be a bit weaker but still great for early game rushes, and E.U. forces will be somewhere in the middle, with medium-cost units that are effective throughout the game. Right now we are working on the unit trees. After the unit trees are finished we will begin balancing and diversifying.

How about a kind of allowance system? You start off with some money whch you can use to build airfields, barracks etc. More money trickels in, and increases during periods of fighting? More kills, more cash. Or maby there would be supply airdrops. I'm also trying to decide how units should be built. I would like to see the traditional "barracks for soldiers, airfield for planes, dock for boats" system.

Samurye.

I've got a great name for it: Earth-287 The Terminus, or simply the Terminus as the war is refered to.

I'm working on adapting the original Shattered Earth map to include divisional regions of competitors.

Edit: the map is too messed up to work on. I guess it was all those lazoooorrrrzz. It's best to leave control of the maps with the OP anyhow.

The Undying.

Okay, here is an early prototype story I created. It takes place during the war, and is told from the Chinese perspective.

The fight was going well. Taiwan had fought back, but was now firmly under PRC control. China had assisted North Korea in invading the South, and now the combined army marched on Seoul. It had taken only weeks to get here, and few casualties. The South Koreans had been pushed hard, and they were near their breaking point. Finally, a Chinese tank squadron broke through the enemy lines. The rest of the army followed them in, and the battle was over within hours. The North Koreans wanted to march further south, and the Chinese let them, althiugh they would be leaving the North Koreans to finish the fight themselves. The Chinese had bigger fish to fry. Japan had fallen swiftly, South Korea nearly as fast. The problem was that spies reported that the entire U.S. carrier force was approaching, and very quickly. The Chinese forces withdrew back to China, and prepared for the assault. It came at night. Navy SEALs and U.S. marines came ashore and began wreaking havoc along the shoreline. Planes flew overhead, bombing targets and downing fighters. The battle raged for days and the Americans captured a fairly large portion of land, but then something the Americans had not expected happened: the Russians came to aid the Chinese. The attack came from behind, striking swiftly. The Russians had refitted their ballistic missle submarines to fire high yield non nuclear missles, which they used to bring down the American ships in mere moments. Weeks later, China had recovered and prepared for an invasion of the U.S. Hawaii was first. The island fell swiftly as a chinese shock assault crushed all defenses within hours. With that out of the way, an invasion of the mainland was in order. It came on a cold winter morning as amphibious transports came ashore in California. The inital invasion was quite effective, but soon things went wrong. For the first time, the Chinese military had to face the full brunt of American air power as well as the entire army. Every night camps would vanish due to bombs falling from planes that nobody could detect. The F-22s also proved to be a nearly impossible to defeat threat. Army raids continued every day, and the Chinese were not doing well. The war lasted many years, but the Chinese slowly gained ground. Eventually, the PLA was on the threshold of Washington D.C. The pentagon had been destroyed, and American forces had been seriously wounded. The battle for D.C. lasted for months by itself, but China finally pulled through. The monuments and government buildings were razed to the ground. The war only lasted a few months more, ending with the invasion of New York City and the destruction of the Statue of Liberty. The young upstart nation had finally been defeated, laid low by their own foolish pride and overconfidence. China withdrew its foces back to the homeland, as the former United States transitioned to the control of the PRC. At this time, the North Koreans, thinking that they had the power to overthrow a weakened China, invaded. The Chinese dragon, wounded as it was, still fought back and brought the Koreans under their control. Russia had conquered Europe, China was the new world power and all was as it should be.

Samurye.

Okay.

Samurye.

Not to hijack the thread, but you have simply got to see this: http://www.engrish.com/

Sometime's it's just darn impossible to translate it in these ways. How do they do it? For those who don't know what Engrish is, it's when East Asian languages are poorly translated into English. Often found to be humorous.

The Undying.

Thats not really all the paractical. For starters the korean DMZ is the most heavily defended boarder in the world. about 2 million soldiers defend it with just slightly more on the northern side, but the southern side has about 40,000 use soldiers defending it. Even if china throws its entire military into an attack (and some how the south an americans don't notice) it wont be with "Minimal Casualties", it will be a slaughter. They would probably break though, and it would probably relativly quick, but with significant loss of life. The DMZ is so well guarded that nothing besides a mass charge with infantry, armor, and air support would get through. Throw in the mine field, massive amounts of artilary, 700,000 soldiers, and the fact that they are using american equipment (also note, american equipment excels in upfront engagments.) there is no way that the south would fall easily.

Also, seoul is within reach of most of the norths artillary, and i am pretty sure that the north actualy released a press statement a few years ago saying they could turn seoul into "A sea of Flames"

As for japan falling easily, i am not 100% sure, but i don't think it would be that easy. A missile strike wouldn't be effective due to the large amounts of patriot missile defense systems we have there. Leaving the chinese with the options of air attacks or an naval assult. Since the USA has several airforce bases in japan, stocked with american craft, i don't think an air campaign would work out. as fore an naval attack, the japanese navy is decent. Plus the USS George Washington (Nimitz class) is stationed in japan.

Last but not least, having the russian subs fire the ICBMs at the american ships would not be effective at all. ICMBs actualy go into space before they come back and hit their targets, in other words every one on the planet would know the missiles went up and would track them and know exactly where they are landing. They would definatly get shot down. and fireing them would give away the subs positions. Although the Missiles shot and ground forces would probably make it, but they would just be glorified cruise missiles and wouldn't destroy the american forces any more than the cruise missiles being fired from the USA navy would destroy the chiness.

Part of the reason why there isn't another WW is becuase no one would come out ontop, even with out nukes. Every one is so well fortified and covered that you would have to muster all your forces in one spot and than smash into the enemy, which would infict heavy losses on the attacker and leave their millitary a wreck. not to mentioned when they moved all of their stuff all of their other fronts would be wide open.

If you want a Major global war you need something to tip the balance, and that can be done in one of 3 ways. Some one gets stronger, some one gets weaker, or something pops up that every one wants.

Going with the first point, some one gets stronger. Have some one develope a millitary weapon that gives them a huge advantage. Some energy weapons, shields, compoiste armors, rail guns, Ultra fuel. If china all of a sudden starts producing super tanks that go 80 mph and are equiped with super armor that almost nothing can breach, that would give them an incentive to start the war. then just have every one else steal the tech or develope alternative techs. For the sake of the game, they need to get the techs quickly, otherwise china will have destroyed/conqured everything already.

For the some one gets weaker stratagy you almost have to have America get the short end of the stick. A major terrorist attack with nukes, presedential assissination, or a major revolution. Anything that weakens the USA and makes some one else think they could attack. From a gameplay point that might be used help lower the major advantage the usa gets with its huge millitary and large amounts of money.

The last way, might be the best. Africa would work best for this. Somewhere in africa some kinda of ultra rare materail is found, who ever holds onto this would have a huge advantage. since it showed up in africa, no one is currently holding it so every one would race to get their hands on it.

I know that the story dosen't make much sense. I've been thinking about this game for quite a while, and that was a very early prototype story. I found it and put it up here. I haden't done any resarch, hadn't put any thought into the plausibility of the story, I'd simply written it. It wasn't meant to be the actual storyline, just an example to get creativity flowing.

Samurye.

I think that the U.S. weapon list is complete. Does anyone have any lst minute additions?

Samurye.

Nope lets start with another faction and keep this in mind chinas infintry hav to be the best and everything else cheap.

Sybertronic.

No i was being serious about the info you had already, good job.