I'll try the others once I've mastered the Vasari.  I'm certainly getting better.  I've even found uses for the carrier cap.

how very poetic, almost biblical. 

i will admit i have been slightly overwhelmed with how quickly so many replies appeared for this post. suppose i should have known better. 

so far the general consensus seems to be tha tall 3 are balanced, with the only way to choose being your preferred style of play.

this is exactly what a RTS game's different races should be. not like Homeworld 1 or 2 where there is very little between the two

TEC however are the best

This seems like the right thread to bring up my suspicion that Vasari > Advent > TEC > Vasari.

The game might be too young to come up with this definitive circle (seeing as how it's still being balanced, and more expansions are on the way), but I was curious as to whether or not people found this same circle. I brought it up on another thread and only received a couple of responses.

For the Unity!

What is?

Oh really...I play as Advent everyime, and I can win against Difficult AI all the time.  Not only does advent have very nicely built ships, but also can win through culture, which other races cannot do as easily.  Also, Advent have the best defense in the game.  One could build a completely inpenetrable defense with Advent's beam and hangar defense.  Basically if you wanted to, you would win by being a turtle...lookin at you soasertsus!!!

I play tec, not that hard to beat a team with 2 unfair AIs.

I think tec is strongest.

I'll take that challenge.  I presume you'll want to set this up on a desert planet with the increased tactical bonus?  We'll probably need a custom map.  I've not found a clam I couldn't penetrate yet.

You didn't just say that...about the Advent!   I require a new keyboard!

I play the Advent.  Tried both the Vasari and the TEC, but I found that I just missed my Mothership and Radiance too much.  Picked up Entrenchment yesterday, so I'm still figuring out the tricks of all the new Advent stuff.

I really should give the other races a fair shake, though.  Next time...next time!

The advent have wtf extra money for little investment culture bonuses. Also they are the most shiny. Therefore they are the best.

Advent all the way.  with enough Guardians it really doesn't matter what you bring it won't do much.  Also if you have about 40 or so bombers in a fleet two or three passes takes out almost any cap ship.

The pun was intended.  I do hear they turtle really well, I've just never played against them in mp.

I know they have good defences and can win through culture but I have never even won a game with them. If you want to be a turtle then dont play this game, how boring would that be to just sit there and not do any fighting. The Vasari are the most mobile in the game and if you research you dont even have to pay for ships. I can penetrate the Advents defences every time, Ive never had to retreat because of the defences.  And that part about nice ships, the look awful so dont tell me that. Plus the Vasari have the best ship in the game, the space egg, which can beat any Advent cap ship. And to top it off the Advents "super weapon" fires Culture! Pathetic! Vasaris damages and disables anything in orbit seting up an invasion. Also breaks Advent defences.

A properly defended Advent planet with a fleet is nearly unstoppable. A Missile Barrage can wreck them, but almost nothing else but a hugely superior fleet can defeat an Advent defense. That's their main strength, especially in team games where the Advent player can concentrate on fortifying his allies' planets.

Also, I'm not entirely sure if the Egg can beat the Advent's best Capital ship; Progenitor Mothership. With both at level 6, the Progen can simply have Shield Regeneration and spam that several times. And from the fleet perspective, having the best LRMs and Carriers can't be bad thing.

Best LRMs and carriers? Are you on drugs?

Also Vasari cannon fired multiple times basicly renders Advent defences useless or outright destroys them.

And Im pretty sure Egg is the best, it has the Nano Disassembler ability. About 4 shots of that and the Motherships hull would be destroyed so the shield ability would be useless

Lol how many kosturas do you plan to build? Im fairly sure the advent  player wouldn't let you build superweapons to this point, without attacking, it's not like you literally turtle and try a culture win, because you can't, but the culture spread ups your economy, downs their economy, it forces them to invest in culture or they WILL lose their border worlds whilst simultaneously never quite keeping up with your culture push and so losing allegiance and therefore income. It also gives you combat advantages and removes enemy combat advantages The turtling bit is where you wait till your culture is pushing up against their border worlds. Also the 1 kostura shot you'll use in reality is wasted against a SB which will still hypnotize your fleet into next tuesday. Finally if you plan on using kosturas then you might just be on the receiving end of the vastly more usefull deliverance engine.

Secondly illuminators+ guardians = win. Illuminators are the best LRM in terms of performance, (not in terms of tech investment obviously) they can potentially shoot 3 targets normally at least 2  and with guardians push nothing can get close to them.

I play as Advent.  They are my favorite race.  However they are more difficult to play as as you have ot use their abilities well so I think the TEC are the best early to late game and noob friendly race.  I also think the defense vessel is a piece of crap compared to the the AA frigates of TEC and Vasari.

In terms of fleet supply and costs, Drone Hosts are better than Percherons and Lasuraks by having three SCs in par to their two. Also, Illuminator vessels have the best firepower from their laser cannons, a nice defensive ability, and good enough mobility.

How many battles result in a superweapon? Unless we're talking about multiple galaxy or huge maps, the liklihood that the Kotsura even appears is very slim.

Ha, I forgot Nano Disassembler negated shields, you're right. But Marza>all.

Well I guess we all have different views...ship asthetics is something stupid to argue about, it's just your opinion.  I can kill with advent...you can kill with vasari.  It's all good bro.

I dont get it. Why does everyone think the Marza is so unbeatable?

I agree

And about the Kostura thing everyone is talking about, it was just an exemple. A good player wouldnt let me build more than 1.

TEC  cause there more like humanity in alot a ways also i dont like alien races i only won one game with vasari and that was my 1st time playing them but i get a real kick out of killing guys who are using advent or vasari cause they get pissed and complain that they lost to a tec player and then they dont shut up about it lol i also  like the TEC cause im a uber halo fan and ik alot of ppl like halo3 but this is just my opinon it sucks pay attention wen you 1st com flying in and wen u land notace that ur wearing BRAND NEW armor and the assault rifle has had its clip cut and ammo modified now it dosent spit 60 rounds inacuretly at the enemy and the ammo isnt see able wen fired same with the shot gun its horrible.but w/e every one has there own opinion.    .p.s        !!! FOR EARTH AND ALL HER COLONIES !!!

I lold, but you cant be THAT mean about TEC only players... I cant imagine there is that much of s crossover between sins and Halo fanbases! I mean can you imagine shield mitigation in Halo?

i dont know, seems pretty similar to me

Human race fighting a war against a (initially) vastly superior alien race, watching her colonies being wiped out, and fighting back desperatly, capturing enemy technology and turning it against them, even the use of nuclear weapons, missiles and autocannons.

All SINS lacks from Halo is a space version of the Master Chief, i.e. something that owns just about everything when its fully trained

oh, wait, i forgot the Marza and the Argonev

All Hail The Trader Emergency Coalition!

I love TEC the most. It seems that TEC is more well-balanced overall than the other races.

Economically, TEC can research metal and Crystal extraction ( You will only need 1 Civic Station ) faster than the other races . One of the upgrades that I like the most is " Modular Architecture ", it decreases the cost of extractors, frigates factory, and some other building. This is very good early when expanding is important. TEC also has the Immense Cargo Upgrade that give you metal and crystal income faster from your refineries. I think TEC is the best when you are talking about economy.

Militarily, TEC has the highest armor and Hull points for ships. TEC's ship can not be destroyed easily especially when you use Hoshiko Robot Cruisers that can repair hull ! The support units isn't so bad for me. Some people try to use Arcova Scout Frigate and Timed Explosives upgrade for a rush. This is a good strategy because most people just ignore the scouts and 3 bombs will destroy most structures. For Capital Ships, I like Kol Battleship the most. It can take a lot of punishment and its ultimate ability, Finest Hour, can give it an edge in battle. For starbases, I prefer TEC's starbase.

Do you know what I don't like about TEC ? It is the ships' design. They are not elegant and symmetrical. I always like Advent's ships in design.

So, that is my opinion. What do you think of my English ? It is good enough ?

The second race that I like the most is Vasari.