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Apparently, Texas IS A Whole Other Country

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Apparently, Texas IS A Whole Other Country

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So, I am reading my usual daily dose of Politico, and I come across a blog article by Glenn Thrush talking about how Ron Paul is backing up the Texas governor in saying that succeeding from the USA is an American thing to do. He talks about how the original 13 colonies succeeded from England and all that jazz. Here is the Paul's direct quote: "it is very American to talk about secession. That's how we came in being. Thirteen colonies seceded from the British and established a new country. So secession is a very much American principle.

While I am not going to go down the road of it being treasonous to talk about succeeding from the Union, I really think this is just political posturing. In the infamous words of George W. Bush, "That is the last time I will be out Texaned." In Texas there has always been a healthy independent spirit, and I don't think either the governor or Mr. Paul have anything to lose by bringing this topic up. Quite simply it scores serious points with the base of the party and everyone else just kind scratches their head and moves on.

What I am truly interested in is the results of Texas succeeding from the Union. It sounds cool and all, but has anyone thought through the actual ramifications of this? From the US side, you would lose a major chuck of your economy, and given that Texas is a donor state, giving more to the federal government then was returned, the US would also take a fiscal hit there. It is often stated that Austin, which is the capital of Texas, is a blue patch in a sea of red, would they just go along? Could the new Republic of Texas face an immediate internal threat from Austin?

From the Texas perspective, you have to think about what would be lost. First and foremost, all military protection would cease. All assets would be pulled out, so there goes Fort Hood, Fort Bliss and the 8 Air Force bases in TX. Several areas of TX would be economically devastated by the closing of these bases. Of course with little homegrown military and scant technology, Texas would make a big, fat, juicy target for Mexico. I imagine it would take them all of a few months to mount a serious attack. Other things that would be lost if Texas succeeded include: all NASA facilities, major funding for the public universities, ANY border protection, transportation funding, social security, medicare and any other government program support. My guess is that to get some semblance of military up and running, even for just basic defense, there would immediately have to be compulsory military service and about 50-60% tax rates. Sounds worth leaving the USA to me.

So, all stupid political rhetoric aside, good luck with that. I won't plan on seeing an independent Texas ANYTIME in my life.

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

no,no... social security would lose texas! remember texas is a doner state. (aka, it produces which is then "donated" to parasites)

Reply #27 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Texas, reply 24


I think some underestimate the loyalty of Texans. 

End of Texas's quote

I think some overestimate the loyalty of Texans. It's one of those things that sounds really good to brag about and talk about with your freinds, but I would bet my entire life savings that more people would leave Texas for the US then would emigrate to Texas. Most people, for good or bad, just want to go on with thier lives, they dont want this kind of political drama. They would get the hell out.

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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top

Most people, for good or bad, just want to go on with thier lives, they dont want this kind of political drama.
End of quote

you make some mistaken assumptions here... those who would get out would go to canada or europe, not to the 49 other states or texas.

And as for "political drama" and "going on with their lives", this is exactly why I Would go with texas, because I wanna get on with my life and avoid political drama. But in a nation of "hope" and "change" and socialism that is not an option. In texas I would know that the economy is going to get better (because of capitalism), that I can safely try opening my own business without fear of success (which would make me a target for retroactive taxation, take over by the government, etc), and without worry of having the government manage it for me and then blame me when their meddling causes trouble. (sub par lending).

Lets not forget a dedication to maintaining a powerful military, rather then "disarmament".

Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top

Wow the ignorance here is amzing!

Firstly, Texas is the only state in the untion that actually has the right to secede (yes, it's spelled secede, not suceede). There wouldn't be any military action because they have the legal right to do so, so no military action would be either legal or required. All they would have to do is to file the required declaration.

Secondly, military action from Mexico would not only be unlikely but is downright laughable. They can't even keep basic law enforcement at the moment. No doubt they couldn't afford or carry out such a military effort. The militia in Texas is second to none, and they are both well armed and pretty damn well trained ( I know because I used to be a member).

Thirdly, and not finally, Texas has a pretty self-contained economy and could easily survive without the rest of the Union. A great deal of the banking, insurance, and agricultural industries are based in Texas. They can easly support themselves with little adjustment.

The issue of Texas secession comes up every few years and is always nothng more than talk. While they have the legal right they are very unlikely to follow through with it. Such talk is always amusing but serves to do nothing more than display people's lack of understanding of the law. In the end it really isn't likely to happen.

The talk of such is pretty amusing just the same.

Reply #30 from PolMach Forums Top

I'm not so sure that it may not just happen this time. the scuttlebutt I am hearing from many people in several other states are talking that it Texas were to become a sovergin nation unto its own they would imigrate to Texas as soon as they were approved by Texas to do so.

 and don't count out the Support that couls be forth comming from other nations outside of the United Socialist Republic States of America, the ObeyMe Regime is writing checks with other peoples money at such an alarming rate a few of the richer countries are starting to get concerned. Especialy the ones who Have the oil. except of course for Venesuallia and Iran they love the Mutt that is the only word I can call him because he callled himself that .

Now while other states may not have the constitutional legal right to secede that would not stop them from becomming sympathizers and lets not forget the rest of the lands that the US took from Texas Part of Oklohoma Colorado and New Mexico there are Thousands of square miles in those states that probably still beong to Texas.

 Why would you think that Texas would loose Nasa one of it's major headquarters is in Houston.

 Obeyme has no interest in space his interests are in making friends with Iran and Palestine

 Just so you all will know I m  natural born Texan born in Austin Texas  only a few blocks from the Tallest Capital located on the North American continent I have actually climbed the winding sprial stair and touched the Star  back when I was 4 years old so that should tell you my age if you kknow about the capital Put it this way it was a couple of years before MR JFK ran for president.