Yes, 1912 was one of the warmest winters on record, and yes, the NYT was writing about how the weather was going to get worse and we are all going to die from this warming. Of course 30 years later we were told of the coming ice age and that we are all going to die, burried under a mile of ice.

In truth, we are starting a cooling trend that began ten years ago, so expect to see stories and articles on global cooling. What happened to global warming? Nothing! It is a cycle that we have seen for a thousand years. The only difference is that we are using better data and the cold periods will be shorter as each cycle repeats itself. In the end global warming will kill all life on earth it is just not man made and there is nothing man can do about it.

Good question! Man has nothing to do with global climate change. There is no proof that man is even a contributing factor. The best the scientists can claim is that man is responsible for 6/100 of a degree over a one hundred year period. So if we do nothing in six hundred years man will have added one degree of warmth to the planet. Just remember that last year the global temperature dropped two degrees because of the cooling trend we are in. So all of mans warming pollution of the last 100 years was wiped out in one year. If you keep with the averages then last year the Earth wiped out 1200 years of man made global warming. Man is not the cause.

Yeah, they have taken vacations in France every August to get away from the heat for the last 60 years. They leave the old people behind each year. Man made global warming was only man’s fault since the 80’s. Europeans are not into air conditioners because the energy costs are so high over there. Being cheap has its costs. Not caring about your old and infirmed has its costs as well.

I'll be the first to say I'm not an expert on this nor am I a Scientist.  I have strong opinions but they are based mostly on my belief as a Christian and from the reading I've done on both sides of this debate for years. 

My gut is telling me we are being led to go into a direction globally.  Have you not noticed everything is all about global this and global that.  Global warming, global economy, global currency etc?  Just do a google search on the word "global."   Globabl is like the new 21st century buzz word.  This whole global warming thing is nothing but political. 

We are being herded into a globabl society. Quite often fear is used as a tactic to get people moving.   Eventually we'll be all under one head.  It will  be similar to our 50 states.  They are only autonomous as the Federal Government now will allow.  Soon to come will be a global world under one head. 

And we're being led like sheep to the slaughter and there's not one thing we can do about it. 

1. We had a global COOLING until 1970... only then did the earth start warming up. It is most likely sun activity (which was decreasing until then and increasing since). but even if it was humans than the titanic is still not a global warming issue.

All the following points will deal with how you know fucking NOTHING about the titanic.

2. Icebergs have always been known to drift, there is also the possibility of other ships, uncharted tiny islands, whatever. The titanic was going full throttle in a fog with 0 visibility, against all safety regulations. This is one of the few things the movie got right, they HAD to make the it to the destination on time to put on a good show, so they disregarded safety, it helped that they thought it was "unsinkable" because of its hull segmentation.

3. the titanic was not "carrying every modern piece of lifesaving and safety equipment known to man", in fact it got rid of those unsightly life boats, because everyone knows its unsinkable, so why bother with life saving equipment?

I was at the first Earth Day it was a cold day to help put a point on how we were all going to die from the coming ice age. It was not until the UN's IPCC report on Global Warming the IPCC repot on climate change was first published in 1990 after ten years of study. Man Made climate change came along ten yaars later. It has been revised four times the last revision says we must destroy the world economy to reduce global warming. Now they have vacked off of this foolishness. They now call it global clinate change.

I will begin by saying that I have been studying the Titanic since I was 11 years old that means I have been looking at the Titanic for 42 years. I even met Ms. Edith Brown a survivor of the tragic global warming insident.  I would not say I know nothing about the subject.

True, icebergs have been known to drift into the shipping lanes for over one hundred years prior to 1912. It was rare that icebergs were seen that far south that time of year. The Titanic took the most southern route to avoid most of the ice.

This is a crock of crap. First the speed was 22.5 knots one half knot below full speed. Sorry that nit had to be picked. Second the visibility was great, no fog that night it was a clear night. The thing that ships slowed down on was the ice flows. Most ships stopped for the night to avoid plowing into ice that was flowing freely in the area that day.

No one affiliated with the White Star Line ever said the ship was unsinkable. That was what a reporter called it and it stuck. What cruise line is going to say, “No! Our ships will sink”! The captain did run fast for the conditions but it was not fog it was the ice flow that was slowing down most of the ships in the area.

You are not reading what I wrote you are reading what you want to see. They had lifeboats. I never said they had enough boats for all passengers and crew but they had boats.

Again it was never said that the Titanic was unsinkable by anyone that was part of the White Star Line. Passengers thought it was unsinkable which made them not want to get into lifeboats. That’s right blame the media for hyping a lie. May I suggest you read the two courts of inquiry one in the US and the other in the UK. The weather was clear, the water was calm and the water temp was a warm 31 degrees. If there was some wind they would have seen the blackberg sooner. I suggest you watch the movie again there was no fog portrayed in the movie.

As an aside I used to work for Carnival Cruise Lines which has bought the Cunard Line which bought the White Star Line owned by J. P. Morgan who died on the Titanic. So once again the Titanic and its remains are American responsibility.

Global warming is indeed a natural phenomenon but that doesn't mean that anthropogenic warming is impossible.  Saying "it happened before, so we're not the cause" is crappy logic and bad science.  It could be a natural cycle and it could be man-made.  No one knows with 100% certainty.

~Zoo

You are right, that is a fallacy, but humans account for only 3% of carbon dioxide emissions, which isn't even the only greenhouse gas out there, carbon dioxide spurs faster growth of phytoplankton and other plant matter so increasing it does not linearly increase atmospheric concentration of it, we are supposed to be going into an ice age so slowing it down a bit is a good thing. and finally, predictive science of this sort is not very good right now.

I do however, agree that a tiny change is a huge thing, only half a degree increase of ocean temp is a LOT of energy and results in stronger storms, but do the amount humanity contributes ACCOUNTS of half a degree change yet? show me the math.

yes, they put the MINIMUM required by law, but they knew that the law did not account for the passanger density they had and that, in the end of the day, there weren't ENOUGH life boats.

sorry for saying you don't know anything about it paladin, you DO know, you just pick and choose facts to push your anti capitalistic anti corporate propaganda.

PS. sorry 0-visibility was an exaggeration, you are right there wasn't 0-visibility, there was insufficient visibility. Icebergs often have large underwater invisible portions, and it was night, and they were going fast. Like a car or a plane, you need to limit your speed by how far away you can see, the fact that they hit the iceberg is proof enough that they went beyond what was safe.

Actually there were more lifeboats than required by law. So Harland and wolf ship builders went above the minimum requirements dictated by the law of the day. The flaw was in the law itself. It dictated that any ship over 40,000 tons needed X number of lifeboats. The Titanic was 70,000 tons way over what was anticipated by law.  And yes, there were not enough lifeboats, The law was fixed after Titanic sank to read that there had to be enough lifeboats for every person onboard. don't blame the businessmen blame the legislators.

Wow here you are guessing while telling me I don’t know, and then that I pick and choose what facts I want. If you read the transcripts of the inquiry you would know that they ran at high speed during the day and slowed down at night. The reason for the rush was to break the transatlantic record. It seemed clear when the orders were given at 5:45 PM. Conditions changed when the iceberg was sighted.

I am with you on this one ZOO.

I blame legislators for a LOT of things, and typically absolve the businessmen. Not including enough lifeboats for the PEOPLE on board because the law mandated minimums based on the ship's tonnage instead of its passanger capacity, that is the fault of the person who owned the ship. Just because something stupid (like not having enough lifeboats) isn't illegal doesn't mean you should do it. I managed to avoid stabbing myself in the face despite there being no law (that i know of) forbidding me from doing so.

It is absurd that there even needs to BE a law mandating the existance of lifeboats.

maybe the first few hundred codes were written at once and sorted alphabetically?

AFAIK there are some serious issues with parachutes on commercial airplanes. All the chairs are made to float, there are oxygen masks, there are personal floatation harnesses, there are a TON of lifeboats, there are slides on the side who also turn into lifeboats and so on. The one thing they don't have is parachutes and I remember being explained that it wouldn't be practical when I asked why.

a simple google search found this:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/archive/index.php?t-267608.html

Good discussion of the issue, with all reasons why not explained in detail. Well, most at least, there is also the issue of people rushing for the door due to some turbulance, and then killing everyone on board by opening it (at 35k feet there isn't enough oxygen and its too cold for humans)

you seem to think that every plane crash involves the plane slamming into a building, that is EXTREMELY RARE.

Most commercial airliners have 4 engines and even with NO engines the pilot can still glide them to perform an emergency landing. even in a city, highways are wide enough for a plane to land... so the only time the plane explodes in a fireball is when you watch a holliwood movie, or if you crash in the mountains.

Which, again, requires all four engines to be gone AT ONCE and there being no flat surface to land on.

If you actually lose a wing you will spiral in a way that no human could make it to the door due to extreme g-forces, and that is also extremely rare.

Emergency landing on a field, or in the ocean, or on a highway, you will not all die; in fact most likely you will live.

You will be exactly the kind of passanger that will kill other passangers by acting in a paniced way influenced by unrealistic holliwood representation of "plane crashes".