Science and Religion are two sides of the same coin and both prone to a form of ignorance. The trouble is the ignorance that comes from Religion is cheat and abundant. 

Faith and the concept of religion are not bad, people are mistaking judeo-christian religions as consistent with religions in general. There are many faiths within the world that do not operate in such a manner which have cultural value. Religion also allows us to view the static mechanics of the world through an artistic lens. To view the concrete through metaphor, which in a way is closer to human thought than science is. 

On a science note, historically it seems that the Druids of Gaul may have been the source of the mathematics we gained from the Greeks. Apparently they were even better. Much can be learned through a sense of homage and wonder to the world and the universe if its done with humility and not with a sense of superiority.

A true scientist never gives up his sense of wonder. 

 

Not so ... at least not so until the Christians actually prove something to someone not in-house ... 2,000 years is more than ample time to accomplish this simple goal ... I am sure humanity doesn't have enough tolerance to live through another 2,000 years of harangue and braggadocio is all. Why don’t they just get out their specific bible and explain all this to the scientists whose sole purpose seems to be to discredit Christianity … so everyone can go to hell, hahaha. I think you are trying to be neutral … but that just doesn’t seem possible in this environment.I am sure we are quite well aware of what happens after death ... at least I am. I guess you are thinking some kind of afterlife or other such nonsense here, who cares. The proof of burden for the claims of the religious communities falls on their shoulders … not ours. Or are you saying this is not all spelled out in someone’s particular ‘book of all knowledge’? Simple enough for anyone to decipher I am sure.

 

Here we go with that Christian dogma talking about religion (things) in general, as if this makes sense. The only thing “in general” in Christendom is an agreement in their specific belief in their specific god … and that is unquestionable. People aren’t mistaking much here I am afraid, they are just confused as to why the true Christians allow the “real reason for religion” to be expressed worldwide by the most corrupt institution on the planet … the RCC with their RCCC … to lead the way for them. The same can be applied to the USG which is another unquestionable organization … if for other reasons.

Two sides of the same coin huh … you either are lacking scientific prowess or you have underestimated religious dogma … these two are not to be found in the same vault … let alone on the same coin.  And further, anyone claiming the title “Christian” is a closet Catholic or an open one … because the whole religion of Christendom is based on the bible from whence Christianity arose. The bible is a complete hoax compiled and self-justified by the RCC in its entirety. Not just the fuzzy warm blurbs to be occasionally found … the whole enchilada or none of it. What science book do you pick up and say, well only half of it is true, the rest is “whatever”, how silly would that be?

You are aware there was a Reformation right?

Many available translations use differing source documents than those using the Vulgate or Septuagint alone which are the primary Catholic translation sources.  Today there are many more versions using corroborating ancient texts and sources going as far back as 1-3 AD in some cases.

Martin Luther did start the Reformation because he believed the scriptures had a definite meaning and place that showed God's intent in the world regarding man.  He also believed God was not fully knowable to mankind and saw the bible as essential to finding what we could know which he believed was primarily the revealing of Jesus as the Christ.  He also believed it was the reader who would himself get the truth from the bible--not just mere study and memorization of only it's literal words and grammar.

This was enough for the Catholics to want to do away with him.

So, we aren't all closet Catholics.  I'm also not a "Lutherite"--I just can understand his view easily as a follower of Christ.

 

Same book ... same religion ... call it what you want. There are many of these 'perfect' books available worldwide ... but you chose this one. Incidentally, maybe you missed the numerous mentions of mine that it is the bible itself, that RCC creation, that abomination to the individual that is the source of all this nonsense and hatred. How you personally chose to deal with it is not my concern. My concern is that you are in fact pleading the case that the bible is the word of god ... you just look at it differently ... personally. Which part of the bible do you wish me to disprove for you ... or does everything therein have to be disproved before Christians even begin to consider rethinking things a little more realistically? Or is it as it seems … it doesn’t matter if anything within is true … because you guys have the ‘faith’ and that is all that is really important???

Besides an individual with peculiar religious beliefs I don’t have a clue ... so you will have to tell me what you are. I just don’t look at people with instant hatred because of their beliefs or personal habits ... that is just surface stuff ... but that is more than enough for the Christians walking amongst us to practice their intolerance and their self-hate for the rest of humanity.

How about you just pick?   Pick the part of the Bible you wish to disprove, and disprove it.

Where to start ... sure wish I had the wherewithal to undertake such a foolish endeavor ... but I don't. You must have mistaken me for someone who cares about god or his/your book. Sorry ... because the whole book is bogus as it is foundationally wanting and void of proof and even common sense. So I don't care for one part any more than another. Why don't you instead explain why you feel you have the moral authority to pick and choose ... that was the real question?

Why are you still here talking shit. Just go away Boobz.

Hahaha ... the actions and attitude of a troll ... hehehe.

... exactly.

You haven't heard? I don't troll; I goblin.

 

Well first, you said you don't care.   So that pretty much leaves us at an impasse.   And yet somehow you seem to care enough to post on this thread...(???).  Second, I don't recall ever saying I had or didn't have the moral authority to do anything at all; for that matter, I specifically asked you to pick and choose on everyone else's behalf.   And third, who is foundationally devoid of proof here?   I asked to you disprove any part of the Bible--any part.  You said you didn't care enough to bother.   That makes it in fact you who is devoid of proof, does it not?

For a thread titled "Science and God...", your hate-filled posts devoid of any facts sure seem a bit out of place.

 

Any science book from the 1600's work for you?

Remember when the world was flat?  oh, right.... its science.

 

 

Sorry, just had to put that out there

You simply say whatever? Or have you seen other sources of information that shows whether the rest is true or false? There is very little if anything in science where acceptance relies on the information found in a single text. Take away the Bible and show me where the evidence lies to prove that Jesus of Nazareth was revealing the word of God or that he was anything more than just a mortal man? Ill even give you the benefit of the doubt that he existed.

I'll bet hahaha, butttt ... it wasn't our fault if it is actually in those late books. I am sure that the scientific community knew better ... but the Christians were in charge of education ... whewwww, that was close.

tetleytea: That is pretty vague on your part don’t you think. What is it that I don’t “care about” did you miss it … or did you just forget? Besides, what does my not caring have to do with your thoughts or posts? What in the world has changed because of my lack of consideration for magic … besides your attitude?

You have an interesting way to try and shift the focus … so do I. You jump into a conversation with someone else and then make a jest of a request, yea that is religion alright. In #923, you made it clear what you think of science. Had you made it clear you wanted some mystical answer … you might not have been shone the “Body Farm” which you ignored instead of clarifying.

I don’t think we can have this conversation either but for different reasons. You are too metaphysical and philosophical for my tastes? I have a saying somewhere humm … “Philosophy is made up of questions that may never be answered … but religion is made up of answers that may never be questioned” … two perfect bedfellows.

Ya'll are aware a whole lot of the science you are so fond of was done by Christian's right?  The only "us" and "them" is in people's minds.

People are people.  We got smart ones and stupid ones just like everyone else.

• Harvard--named after a minister.
• Yale--originally a Puritan school and started by clergy.
• Princeton--Presbyterian.

Just to throw out some examples.  The Catholic church--like it or not--is greatly responsible for preserving scientific knowledge through the Dark Ages.

I'm sure if you scour through the worlds Christian ranks you can find ignorant and superstitious people from tribal region's and elsewhere--but that doesn't make everyone professing to be a Christian "ignorant and superstitious".  Constantly stating it's so is just an attempt at a whitewash and a dodge from having a real discussion.

In Christianity, God is the eternal being that created and preserves the universe.

God is most often conceived of as the supernatural creator and overseer of the universe.

The supernatural (Latin: super, supra "above" + natura "nature") is that which is not subject to the laws of nature

Superstition is a belief in supernatural causality

 

As a christian do you not believe that God is the creator and overseer of the universe?

 

 

 

You might want to reconsider this statement some, just a suggestion. Well ... thanks for helping, we need all the help we can get to fill in more historical puzzle pieces. But what does that have to do with the cost of tea in China? David, your insecurity is obvious. None of this has to do with how smart we think we are or the name of the schools we went to. It has to do with our understanding of the world we live in today based only on what we can glean for ourselves. On face value … what were our options? What would you have mankind do with itself … twiddle their thumbs while you guys try to memorize the bible? And you know I will not be scouring through any list of Christians … are we expected to do all your work for you hahaha?

Smoothseas ... I hope you understand where this is going to go next, hahaha.

It's not going anywhere.  It isn't a discussion.  It's been a soapbox for egos that never were here to discuss anything--just to make their proclamations and a little private club for the enlightened two who think they have it over and everyone else who's posted.

Basically, you co-opted the thread and made it your own private chat.  Enjoy telling each other how smart you are.  I'm sure you'll feel better.

There will always be believers and non-believers. Never only one. Debating will not change this. All you change is the number on each side.

Why is the speed of light in a vacuum 299,792,458 meters per second and not 1 meter per second or 999,999,999 meters per second?

I don't really care ... do you. I know why (you are familiar to the laws of physics) it is so ... but so, what is your point??? Do I need to whip out my trusty science book ... or are you just being silly??? For the time being I will accept your numbers as reasonable ... strange that it is just under one a billion meters though, huh. Guess it shows we arn't perfect ... yet, hahaha.

This is about as far as my tolerance will endure. If all you can do is whine about how cruel life is ... I suggest you get another one. You have had ample time to make a point ... any point ... and you still choose to just whine. This clip is to give everyone perspective of the insignificance of your (or my) existence...

 

Say "RCC" once more please?  I know it's not whining but man it sure has the same beat.

Sinperium :I despise the RCC (happy, hahaha) ... have I been unclear somewhere ... what in the world is whinny about that pray tell??? As far as I am concerned, the RCC doesn’t have anything at all to do with a real religion and never did. Nice to know they have a supporter in you though … I suppose.