This is why I’m a kook

Anyone who reads enough of my posts can probably tell that I’m a kook. As I get older, I become more and more of a kook.  I have some theories as to why people in my position inevitably become more and more weird as they get older but that’s for another conversation.

Former speaker Newt Gingrich has a fantastic article pointing out something that many people who follow this stuff are not just well aware of ut preparing for but is probably news to most Americans: There is a pretty good chance that in our lifetime we will suffer a catastrophic terrorist attack in the form of an Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP).

Newt’s full article is here:

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/gringrich_emp_weapon/2009/03/29/197257.html

As he says:

On Feb. 3, Iran launched a “communications satellite” into orbit. At this very moment, North Korea is threatening to do the same. The ability to launch an alleged communications satellite belies a far more frightening truth. A rocket that can carry a satellite into orbit also can drop a nuclear warhead over any location on the planet in less than 45 minutes.

Far too many timid or uninformed sources maintain that a single launch of a missile poses no true threat to the United States, given our retaliatory power.

A reality check is in order and must be discussed in response to such an absurd claim: In fact, one small nuclear weapon, delivered by an ICBM can destroy the United States by maximizing the effect of the resultant electromagnetic pulse upon detonation.

An electromagnetic pulse (EMP) is a byproduct of detonating an atomic bomb above the Earth’s atmosphere. When a nuclear weapon is detonated in space, the gamma rays emitted trigger a massive electrical disturbance in the upper atmosphere. Moving at the speed of light, this overload will short out all electrical equipment, power grids and delicate electronics on the Earth’s surface. In fact, it would take only one to three weapons exploding above the continental United States to wipe out our entire grid and transportation network. It might take years to recover from, if ever.

Now personally, when I say there’s a good chance, I am saying that the odds are probably a bit better than 1 in 10.  But that’s still an awful big chance in my book if you have the resources to do something about it.  That’s why I’ve looked into Faraday cages and the new house I’m building is designed to be self-sufficient if necessary so that if something like this happened, my family and friends wouldn’t starve.

Consider this: Look at your own household and tell me how long you could survive without going to the grocery store for food.  2 days? 3 days? An EMP pulse, that North Korea or Iran is likely to be capable of producing in the next 5 years, would, as Newt says, take out our infrastructure for years. 

What does that mean? It means it would probably be a solid week before city water came back on-line. Electricity would likely be offline for months. But the real killer would be food. That’s because food must be shipped and an EMP would wipe out all cars and trains.  I have no idea how long it would take for food to start getting re-distributed but unless you lived in a major urban center where emergency supplies could be distributed, you’d be in big trouble (in other words, if you live in the subs, you’re going to likely die of starvation).  If this sort of thing happened in the Winter, you would likely be looking at millions of deaths.

So when friends come over to “Future House” and see the bee hives and the apple orchard and the gardens (my wife won’t let me have chickens unfortunately) along with the “Kook” supplies (i.e. the capability to defend our physical assets effectively) hopefully we’ll all have the benefit of just laughing at how weird I’m getting.  Hopefully I’ll always be just a kook as opposed to a survivor. :)

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Here's more on protecting from EMP:

http://www.endtimesreport.com/EMP.html

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(my wife won’t let me have chickens unfortunately)
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Try and talk her into it.  Trust me, free range chicken eggs straight from the cloaca are delicious.  Just don't boil them, they're impossible to peel without tearing up the albumen.

~Zoo

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/me stops looking for houses in Novi and starts looking closer to Brad's new compound.

(and I thought the basement upgrade in the old place was over-the-top)

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Obama is a weak leader, and a pushover, so this makes the situation much more likely in the future. 

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O come on now... BO will save this world! I mean he will talk to them and have em love everyone! You guys are just making something out of nothing there is no reason to be scared! BO and Hillary will save the world! And dont forget about the UN too... I mean theres a group of people with a backbone of a jellyfish!@

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Try and talk her into it.
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I grew up with chickens.  Chickens are nasty.  They eat their own poop, they attract rats and fleas...and did I mention they're nasty.  If Brad wants to have them far away from the house where I don't have to see or smell them and if I don't have to do a thing to care for them, I'm in.  I'll need that in writing though ;)

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If Brad wants to have them far away from the house where I don't have to see or smell them and if I don't have to do a thing to care for them, I'm in.
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I think someone is going to be licking her lips holding a can of beans, while someone else is eating their crispy fried chicken in the bunker. Lord of the fries? Who knows! ;)

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EMP from a nuke, I remember this in the movie Broken Arrow with John Travolta. But as watertown said, we have Obama, we have nothing to fear...

(wait for it)

 

(wait for it!)

 

(wait for it!!!)

 

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Mr. Obama is our president, weak sister that he may be he is our leader. We need to stand behind him on all foreign matters and stand against him on all domestic matters that threaten our lives. It is the patriotic thing to do. I said before the election that he was an empty suit and people scoffed. I was called a racist but what hurts the most is that I was right about Mr. Obama and we are now stuck with him for four years. It will take a strong leader to unscrew the mess he is making of our country. I keep a 6 month supply of food and water in my home, and enough firepower to hold off anyone wanting to take it.

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What happens if your neighbours are aware of this, and in this cataclysmic scenario decide they'll take it from you by force (since if they're starving they won't have much to lose, while such an event would likely incapacitate the security services)?

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I grew up with chickens. Chickens are nasty. They eat their own poop, they attract rats and fleas...and did I mention they're nasty.
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Never had problems with mine.  Sure they pecked at their own poop, but hey, they're not that smart.  Rats only show up if you don't contain the food properly (or the chickens leave extra lying around) and I don't think I've ever had a flea problem.  Mites once, but no fleas.

And after awhile the smell kind of grows on you. :P

~Zoo

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Quoting Paladin77, reply 9
Mr. Obama is our president, weak sister that he may be he is our leader. We need to stand behind him on all foreign matters and stand against him on all domestic matters that threaten our lives. It is the patriotic thing to do. I said before the election that he was an empty suit and people scoffed. I was called a racist but what hurts the most is that I was right about Mr. Obama and we are now stuck with him for four years. It will take a strong leader to unscrew the mess he is making of our country. I keep a 6 month supply of food and water in my home, and enough firepower to hold off anyone wanting to take it.
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Wait wait wait... how are we to stand behind our fearless leader when he has no friggen backbone to begin with??!

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Wait wait wait... how are we to stand behind our fearless leader when he has no friggen backbone to begin with??!
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He is our president and politics ends at the waters edge. To show any disunity in any way is to hurt the nation. If you want proof of this look at the last 8 years and how political infighting prolonged the war on terror, caused allies to distance themselves from us giving the enemy proof that they could win against us. Our president may or may not be an idiot when it comes to foreign policy, he may have the spine of a squashed jellyfish, but anything he does needs our support or we endanger ourselves. Yes, it will damage the nation but far less than fighting with our president openly as the stupid liberals did for 8 years. Anything President Obama does has to be ratified by congress so we can fight him there rather than in the media and overseas.

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What happens if your neighbours are aware of this, and in this cataclysmic scenario decide they'll take it from you by force (since if they're starving they won't have much to lose, while such an event would likely incapacitate the security services)?
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There is a saying in the Marines, "There is no such thing as too much ammunition". If you want what I have you may take it after I run out of ammo.

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Quoting Paladin77, reply 14

There is a saying in the Marines, "There is no such thing as too much ammunition". If you want what I have you may take it after I run out of ammo.
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Look at what Obama has done for gun sales.  It's still hard to get ammo.  This is the probably the only good thing he has done for stimulating the economy.

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Mr. Obama is our president, weak sister that he may be he is our leader. We need to stand behind him on all foreign matters
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Considering we have been threatened with a new terror attack, i don't plan on standing in frojnt of him. I will stand behind him and I will have his back too..... way back. }:)

and stand against him on all domestic matters that threaten our lives
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If I tell him he has a hot body, do you think he'll hold it against me? O:)

It is the patriotic thing to do.
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Yea, lets pay our taxes just like so many of Obama's pics for his Administration who decided to pay their back taxes once they were picked. Yea baby. :thumbsup:

 

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So when friends come over to “Future House” and see the bee hives and the apple orchard and the gardens (my wife won’t let me have chickens unfortunately) along with the “Kook” supplies (i.e. the capability to defend our physical assets effectively) hopefully we’ll all have the benefit of just laughing at how weird I’m getting. Hopefully I’ll always be just a kook as opposed to a survivor.
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Now the bees make sense.  This is genius.  Most I've ever done is hang on yo my Dad's old Euell Gibbons book.

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There's actually a few significant differences between an ICBM and a rocket capable of launching a satellite, but that's not important.

The real flaw in Gingrich's argument is that it assumes the Iranians/North Koreans/whoever are suicidal, and sufficiently suicidal to think that causing a major inconvenience is enough to excuse their complete destruction. If you're going to commit suicide, you'd want to strike a more telling blow.

I say major inconvenience because the US, while significant in its vulnerable production capabilities, could like much of the world fix its factories etc with parts from elsewhere. That and the likely world aid programs would bring it back within the several years Newt suggests.

If you doubt the US would attract aid, I suggest you think again. There are heaps of countries like Australia who shelter behind the wall of US military might. If you think they would let China take advantage of the situation, you're dead wrong. Every penny the West has spare would go to US restoration, even from cheese-eating surrender monkeys like France.

That, your multinationals and the US carrier fleets which enforce the Pax Americana would pretty much guarantee your revival.

To borrow from someone whose name I've briefly forgotten, if there was no US, we would have to (re)create it.

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The real flaw in Gingrich's argument is that it assumes the Iranians/North Koreans/whoever are suicidal, and sufficiently suicidal to think that causing a major inconvenience is enough to excuse their complete destruction. If you're going to commit suicide, you'd want to strike a more telling blow.
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What are you talking about? How would it be suicidal for them to attack us? We were attacked on 9/11 and as soon as the anger faded the peacenicks wanted out of the war and fought against winning the war ever since. We have given every indication that if attacked again we would do little if anything especially with the current administration. When we were attacked during the Reagan administration Mr. Reagan sent troops out to hunt down terrorists. It worked well. When Mr. Clinton disbanded the hunter killer teams, they started planning attacks again and on 9/11 after six years of planning they attacked. Mr. Bush sent troops into Afghanistan to hunt down the terrorists but they had scattered by then. Saddam threatened us and we attacked him and the peacenuts went insane. What would give you the misguided idea that we would sustain a war against anyone that attacked us? We have a track record of running away from a fight since the Korean War. You know, the reason the potbellied dictator is in power because we ran away from that war. The same war that has not ended because no winner was declared. You may not know this but since the cease fire was ordered in the 50’s a state of war is still on going in Korea. If the North Korean government chooses to resume the fighting it won’t be a sneak attack because we have been at war with them for over 50 years. If Iran attacks us we will have the same peace idiots say how it is our fault and we deserve to be attacked. They will also say that retaliation is out of the question because we would be making war with Islam not Iran and you don’t want to go to war with a billion people. If china attacks us we are in the same boat, a billion people.

 

Every indication we have given as a nation has been that we will get mad then we will throw something at you, and then we will go back to business as usual. Mr. Obama does not seem to want to win in Iraq or Afghanistan he just wants our troops out of there. Winning wars prevents wars. Coming in second or a tie begs for someone else to attack us.

 

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What are you talking about? How would it be suicidal for them to attack us? We were attacked on 9/11 and as soon as the anger faded the peacenicks wanted out of the war and fought against winning the war ever since. We have given every indication that if attacked again we would do little if anything especially with the current administration.
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Right. 9/11 was a nuclear strike that killed a million people. I forgot that.

You need to get a sense of proportion - a nuclear attack would be a completely justified response to a nuclear attack, and I suspect it would be popular too. Even after 9/11 people like yourself would have been happy to see Iraq/Afghanistan nuked or bombed into rubble, so just imagine the response to a major attack.

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We were attacked on 9/11 and as soon as the anger faded the peacenicks wanted out of the war and fought against winning the war ever since
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Strange, I thought the opposition was generally to the war in Iraq, a country unrelated to 9/11. 9/11 resulted in the invasion of Afghanistan, which even Europe supported with the US. In fact ironically it was the war hungry republicans who neglected Afghanistan to go after Iraq, and the Democrats who have decided to refocus on Afghanistan, meaning that the democrats were keener in effect to avenge 9/11 than the republicans.

Either way, for a nuclear scenario to be realistic, it requires the person prepared to 'throw the first stone' to hate their target so much that they're prepared to wipe themself (and everyone around them) out to injure it. It's highly unlikely a terrorist state would be able to obtain the arsenal capable of completely destroying the US, whereas the US has the arsenal to destroy most counties many times over.

More realistic IMO would be a terrorist cell obtaining a nuke and causing significant (but more localised) damage with it.

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Right. 9/11 was a nuclear strike that killed a million people. I forgot that.

You need to get a sense of proportion - a nuclear attack would be a completely justified response to a nuclear attack, and I suspect it would be popular too. Even after 9/11 people like yourself would have been happy to see Iraq/Afghanistan nuked or bombed into rubble, so just imagine the response to a major attack.
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US policy states that any weapon of mass destruction will be retaliated by nuclear weapons. If we are hit with nerve gas, anthrax or farts our response is the same. We ended our stockpile of other WMD’s and put all our eggs in the nuclear basket. So when any WMD is used against America our response will be nuclear bombs.

 

Your answer already is qualifying our response. If they don’t use nukes does that mean we can’t fight back? The reason we were so concerned with the anthrax attacks was if we found out which country did it we would be forced to nuke them as our only retaliatory response or let the matter drop.

 

I pointed to the attacks on 9/11 because it showed and escalation in the boldness of attacks. At first they attacked individuals and got away with it. Next they attacked planes and got away with it. Then they bombed stores and got away with it. Then they attacked several cities at once and we sent in troops. The proper response to the attack on individual citizens is the swift attack and destruction of any and all people involved. Historical point; old Rome had a problem, their citizens were attacked outside of Rome and robbed, beaten and murdered. The response was that any attack on a Roman citizen was an attack on all of Rome. The Roman army would march in and make life difficult for everyone until the guilty were found and killed.

 

Terrorist kidnapped a Soviet citizen in the Middle East. The KGB found out who was involved and kidnapped an uncle of one of the terrorists. They sent his thumbs in the mail with a note that if the soviet citizen was returned unharmed they will stop cutting off pieces of the uncle. The Soviet citizen was released unharmed and they did not bother the Soviet Union again. Barbaric? Yes! Effective when dealing with barbarians? YES!!! On the other hand we talked and begged and showed our concern for their cause and offered them humanitarian aid and they still hanged our general officer and then sent us the video tapes of his murder. We did nothing and it escalated to 9/11 a nuke is not far off because we allowed them to think they can get away with it.

 

I don’t like your insult. People like me? Is an insult that I choose to be offended. It is people like me that keep you safe at night. It is people like me that give up our comforts in order to allow you the freedom to bitch and moan.

 

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Strange, I thought the opposition was generally to the war in Iraq, a country unrelated to 9/11. 9/11 resulted in the invasion of Afghanistan, which even Europe supported with the US. In fact ironically it was the war hungry republicans who neglected Afghanistan to go after Iraq, and the Democrats who have decided to refocus on Afghanistan, meaning that the democrats were keener in effect to avenge 9/11 than the republicans.
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Nice dodge. It was the democrat controlled Congress that authorized the war in Iraq. Afghanistan was a useless target and if the Bush Administration had their way we would not have gone in there. The weeks before 9/11 all the training camps and headquarters had moved out of Afghanistan in anticipation of our retaliation. Only the Taliban and a few AQ types were left. On the other hand once we started our attacks in Afghanistan the news media started showing pictures of wounded AQ types in Iraqi hospitals.  This was in violation of what the Congress put into law. Below is part of an article I wrote called “It all started with the Shah of Iran”.

 

September 14, 2001

Mr. DASCHLE (for himself and Mr. LOTT) introduced the following joint resolution; which was read twice, considered, read the third time, and passed (This was written by Senator Daschel)

 

 

SEC. 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.

 

September 18, 2001 the first in a series of anthrax mail attacks targets government and the media.

 

October 7, 2001 after being criticized by the democrats for not having attacked anyone yet, President Bush authorizes the invasion of Afghanistan and the destruction of Al-Qaeda’s safe havens. Liberals claim we can’t win. Why in the world did they scream we should bomb people if they don’t think we can win?

 

November 12, 2001 the ruling Taliban is driven out of the capitol city of Kabul. Wait, it can’t work and we will lose is what we are told yet in over a month we took the capitol city?

 

December 9, 2001 the Taliban collapses baffling liberals around the world who said it could not be done. After all the Soviets fought for ten years and lost badly and we did it in 2 months. The war is not over but the enemy is in retreat and is forced to fight only in summer months and in small pockets of the country.

 

January 29, 2002 President Bush identified Iran, Iraq, and North Korea as an “Axis of Evil” and pledges to deny them WMD. We were told that the president should not have done that, it will make these people angry at us and they might attack us. Iran has been attacking us since 1979, North Korea has been messing with us for 50 years, Iraq is the new kid on the block with only 11 years of messing with us.

 

October 2, 2002 Congressional resolution in part states:

Whereas the United States is determined to prosecute the war on terrorism and Iraq's ongoing support for international terrorist groups combined with its development of weapons of mass destruction in direct violation of its obligations under the 1991 cease-fire and other United Nations Security Council resolutions make clear that it is in the national security interests of the United States and in furtherance of the war on terrorism that all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions be enforced, including through the use of force if necessary;

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Your answer already is qualifying our response. If they don’t use nukes does that mean we can’t fight back? The reason we were so concerned with the anthrax attacks was if we found out which country did it we would be forced to nuke them as our only retaliatory response or let the matter drop.
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If they don't cause mass destruction then i don't think nukes are justified. If the attacks can't be tied directly to a country, then a police action would be advisable. Force the local government to accept FBI 'advisers' in the investigation. It's what Australia did after the Bali bombings and it worked a treat. We got nearly all of them. The US has had a bit less success with bin Laden, but then again bin Laden hasn't been a priority and the Taliban was much, much more hostile. Still, the principal is sound.

 

Treat violence as a crime and you rob it of its symbolism.

I don’t like your insult. People like me? Is an insult that I choose to be offended. It is people like me that keep you safe at night. It is people like me that give up our comforts in order to allow you the freedom to bitch and moan.
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By 'people like you' I mean people who believe that barbarism must be met with barbarism. You've always been a strong advocate of the annihilation of all enemies, so I'm surprised you choose to take it as an insult. You can if you want to, but keep in mind I too believe that history needs butchers as well as shepherds. I'm sure your views have done good as well as harm.

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By 'people like you' I mean people who believe that barbarism must be met with barbarism. You've always been a strong advocate of the annihilation of all enemies, so I'm surprised you choose to take it as an insult. You can if you want to, but keep in mind I too believe that history needs butchers as well as shepherds. I'm sure your views have done good as well as harm.
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Just to be clear, during the Reagan and Bush administrations ran an operation where service people were sent to Europe and Asia with the express orders of taking out the leadership of terror organizations. The bad guys were vetted by three different security organizations then they were dealt with. No credit was taken for this action the leaders just disappeared. It got so bad for them that they refused to take the leadership role for five years. Osama Bin Laden was number six on the list before the Clinton administration disbanded the units and brought everyone home. Five years later we had 9/11. Was this barbaric? Most likely. Did it work. Partially. Since we were only going after the leadership, independent nuts did attack us but it was not coordinated and the loss of life was low. Please understand I am not blaming the Clinton administration for that aspect of the attacks on 9/11 just like I don’t blame the Carter administration for closing down the CIA operations worldwide and the attack on our embassy in Iran. Both actions were contributing factors but not the root cause.

Please understand that I have been in antiterrorist work since the 70’s when no one cared about stupid goat herders that blew themselves up and took a few innocents with them. We saw this coming and only two presidents did anything to stop it or at least stem the tide. I guess that makes me one of the butchers. I like to think of it more as conservationist thinning the herd and keeping the scales tipped on our side.