Based on the look of the bridge control panels...

Base is black laquer. All the control panels are high gloss glass. Buttons reside on the panel. The 3 buttons you see on the titlebar are triangular buttons like you see Uhuru press only more saturated so they pop off the screen. I got the idea after i spoke to Mike Okuda (the creator of ST:TNG LCARS) for a hour.

Spill it Jafo. I don't remember what the deal with the rabbit was. I think i'm going to watch Mad Max while i work...

ahh yeh Miriku Chan? Was it? He was relentless. Brad and I use to get into some flame threads with him. I think Brad has it bookmarked because he sent it to me awhile back.

Shog posted this back in 2000 ....I always remembered it as it relates to skins/art and moderation/opinion...

A parable:

A shogun commissions an artist to make for him an ink drawing of a rooster.

The artist agrees to the price, states that it will take 20 years to produce the perfect rooster, and that he will return.

20 years pass.

The artist arrives at the Shogun's, unrolls a sheet of paper, sets up a pot of ink & brush. Closes his eyes for a minute, and picks up the brush.

It takes him 15 seconds and only 5 strokes of the brush to produce the perfect rooster.

The Shogun is enraged; "If it only takes you 15 seconds, why did you waste 20 years of my life?" and beheads the artist.

The shogun sends his minister to bring the artist's body back to his family (he had, after all, produced the rooster, albeit in insulting fashion).

When the minister arrived, he found the artist's house filled from floor to ceiling with ink renderings of roosters, dating from 20 years ago to today.

IE, he had practiced over & over & over until he could produce the perfect rooster in such easy fashion, to best fulfill the shogun's desires.

That was actually interesting. Pretty deep for such a thick head.

Miriku kicked it up. There was one time with Brad and I that I remember. I think Treetog was involved too.

Some interesting old school links for Shoggot.

http://www.teknidermy.com/issue/1/shoginterview.html

http://customize.org/Shoggot

http://shoggot.deviantart.com/

Legends never die they just end up in forums as fodder.

oh lord!  it say that his last reply was 39 years ago????

now that's old..., i at that moment i was like in a apocaliptic atitud....

Wow, hasn't this thread taken off since I was here last... and in some ways, not for the better.

Anyhow....

Doc: Just to clarify things here.  Given that the msstyles patch is fairly generic and therefore would not have a dedicated customer support area, I said that it may have been TGTSoft who failed your friend regarding customer support.... given that many of its customers, even before it closed its doors, were complaining about the lack of support, etc.

TSF Jeff: I've not seen or heard of similar complaints about the Hyperdesk platform, nor do I know enough about it to comment on it... and thus didn't.  So please do not think that I was comparing your skinning engine to the msstyles hack, which can be obtained for free on just about any freeware site and is largely supportless.  They are obviously two entirely different kettles of fish. 

However, being that you're in the business of skinning rather than software development/distribution, that is not the point I wanted to address.   I am an admirer of your work and would like to see a TSF return to Windowblinds because that is the platform I have and can not see affording the additional cost of the Hyperdesk platforn and skins for quite some time.  I know that you say there is no avenue for you to sell your works this way, but have you considered the possibility of selling them as master skins/themes here at WC? 

I don't know all the criteria involved to be able to sell master skins here, but TSF makes quality skins and it has been a community contributor for quite some time, so it may well be worth looking into.  OK, so you have your differences with some folk here, and vice versa, but surely that's irrelevant when compared to the added exposure and potential sales.

I didn't know about that, hopefully it can be resolved happily.

There would obviously be details to sort out/refine, and that's not always clear cut or easy, but it seems that you haven't outright rejected the idea, and for that I'm pleased.  However, it's not about me or what I want, as my finances do not permit the purchase of master skins/themes at tis time, but about making TSF's quality skins available tto a wider audience, which would be a win win situation for TSF and its fans/customers.. whether those skins be HyperDesk, MyColors and/or WindowBlinds based.

Finances, however, aren't always going to be this tight, so yeah, I'd be in the market to purchase those TSF themes I like in the near future. Now while you say there is no reason why Hyperdesk and WB can't run together, that elements of HyperDesk can be unchecked, I don't know that I'd want to run 2 skinning engines at the same time (resource usage, etc), so it would be an either or situation for me, and I kind of like the bells and whistles that come with WB.  HG Eliminator also said that he would rather see an official TSF theme with all the trimmings than an unofficial port that's lacking, so I'm not alone there, and I'm sure there are others.

It is, of course, entirely your perogative to market your themes as you see fit, and I can understand your position, having adopted the Hyperdesk platform and wishing to remain with it, but at the same time, admirers of your work who purchased their Stardock based apps prior to this are now missing out on TSF themes they may otherwise purchase as WB/IP skins... hence the suggestion.

Anyhow, all the best with it and good luck.