I agree with all of the comments of "learning from our mistakes" and "making the system better", what I vehemently disagree with is whining and carping that this election was in some way "stolen" or the results are illegitimate or fraudulent.

Can the system be made better? Yes.
Should it be made better? Yes.
Are people entitled to encourage change and improvement? You betcha!
Would having touchscreen devices and/or some uniform type of voting machines/systems throughout the nation help? For my thinking yes.
Should those devices all offer a printed confirmation of the vote that is being tabulated/recorded be required? In my opinion yes, as long as there is a way to do it that maintains anonymity of the voter.

Again, there are areas where things can be improved, but carping about it by creating a blog screaming "Bush Illegally Steals Another Election, This Time Goes Hi-Tech...." isn't gonna help. And in my world, if you don't want to help but do want to scream, then you are not part of the solution and you should find an exit.

What would your reaction be if it were Kerry who were elected using the "illegal" methods you describe here? Would you "bow" to him?

I'd be in an outrage as well and demand the exact same for him.

What if, when all's said and done, you are proven to be wrong? What will you do then?

I'll be happy when I am proven wrong.

Ultimate balloting system in Democratic dreamworld: BALLOT Democrat Democrat Democrat Democrat - no other choice.

I like Republicans. McCain, ARNOLD, Reagan, Arlen Specter, Juliani

How is that? Tell me one thing in that 45 minute documentary that was not true. Did you even see it?Link

Once again it's bullshit because it has nothing to do with this post

Should those devices all offer a printed confirmation of the vote that is being tabulated/recorded be required? In my opinion yes, as long as there is a way to do it that maintains anonymity of the voter.

Then why didn't this happen? It's quite a simple thing to hook up small printers that could print out two copies, one for the voter, one for the ballot box. My feeling is that they refused to do so knowing that some machines were pre-programmed to change votes prior to the print-out of overall votes at each polling place.

Reply #29 By: landen81 - 11/9/2004 12:56:48 PM How is that? Tell me one thing in that 45 minute documentary that was not true. Did you even see it?Link Once again it's bullshit because it has nothing to do with this post

You the one that brought this into this section of the conversation not Lee1776.

You the one that brought this into this section of the conversation not Lee1776.

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say to me drmiller.

Reply #29 By: landen81 - 11/9/2004 12:56:48 PM How is that? Tell me one thing in that 45 minute documentary that was not true. Did you even see it?Link Once again it's bullshit because it has nothing to do with this post

How about this? Understand now? Your the one who reintroduced this thought into the conversation And then tell *lee1776* that it's BS and has nothing to do with the conversation.

Reply #2 By: Citizen terpfan1980 - 11/8/2004 4:21:20 PM

And if you really want to discuss "theft", how about checking out: http://www.stolenhonor.com/

OK, I did want to talk about "theft". Sorry for responding to your post, next time I'll just ignore them.

That's My Two Cents

I am laughing so hard at all the whining liberals! This is great! I am sure Michael Moore is whining as well. I would love to see an interview with him right now, trying to out shout and twist everything

Kerry actually should resign for treason based upon his meetings with the "terrorists".

Bush won, both electorial and popular vote. I would just get over it and think about where things have gone wrong in your own house.

The furor over supposed irregularities was supposed to have brought out millions of left leaning Americans to defeat Bush. Instead, 8% more new voters voted for Bush than Kerry.

So, feel free to keep whining. It makes the Left look like paranoid nuts, and if it continues for a couple of years Republicans will probably win by 10% next time.

Laugh all you want but here's more fuel for the fire:

Kerry Won - Link
Did Kerry Concede Too Soon? - Link
Was the Ohio Election Honest and Fair? - Link
Worse Than 2000: Tuesday's Electoral Disaster - Link
None dare call it voter suppression and fraud - Link

Kerry actually should resign for treason based upon his meetings with the "terrorists".

And Bush shouldn't despite his relationship w/the bin ladens and his lies to mislead America into going to war w/Iraq?

The furor over supposed irregularities was supposed to have brought out millions of left leaning Americans to defeat Bush. Instead, 8% more new voters voted for Bush than Kerry. So, feel free to keep whining. It makes the Left look like paranoid nuts, and if it continues for a couple of years Republicans will probably win by 10% next time.

Thanks to machine error. I'm sure you're happy knowing that your precious Republicans will never lose a presidential election again as long as they control the voting machines.

Reply #36 By: landen81 - 11/11/2004 4:19:02 PM Laugh all you want but here's more fuel for the fire: Kerry Won - Link Did Kerry Concede Too Soon? - Link Was the Ohio Election Honest and Fair? - Link Worse Than 2000: Tuesday's Electoral Disaster - Link None dare call it voter suppression and fraud - Link

More unsubstainated rumor with no proof. Did you notice that NOT one of your links are even CLOSE to be mainstream? #1 & 3 are blog sites. #2,4,5 are op-ed sites.
If you want us to believe you need to start showing main stream media links.

Kerry actually should resign for treason based upon his meetings with the "terrorists". And Bush shouldn't despite his relationship w/the bin ladens and his lies to mislead America into going to war w/Iraq?

Your missing something. There's no proof of your accusations on Bush. However there is plenty of factual evidence on Kerry's treasonous activities.

Which treasonous activities were those?  Protesting a war that a large percentage of Americans disagreed with?

My advice for Democrats is to keep insisting on Bush stealing the election. Make sure you get on TV as much as possible. Do protests. Make sure you refer to Bush as a Nazi lots of times. And make sure you get Michael Moore involved. That way you're sure to win in 2008. Let the hate flow through you...

Which treasonous activities were those? Protesting a war that a large percentage of Americans disagreed with?

No.

Publicly admitting that he had unauthorized and unknown private meetings with a government that we where are war with, while still a uniformed member to the U.S. military. Which all happened in the days leading up to his baby killer speech in front of Congress. Since this revelation was not released by Kerry until after he had become a Senator, it makes it very embarrassing for us to line him up and shoot him for treason.

That's My Two Cents

"My advice for Democrats is to keep insisting on Bush stealing the election. Make sure you get on TV as much as possible. Do protests. Make sure you refer to Bush as a Nazi lots of times. And make sure you get Michael Moore involved. That way you're sure to win in 2008. Let the hate flow through you..."

*nods*

Oh, and keep calling Republicans things like Jesusboy and make out that there is a huge conspiracy from the religious right to take your porn away and stiuff like that. It really pisses off churchgoers that might otherwise vote Democrat because of social programs. Four more years of Democratic pig headedness and paranoia = four more years of Republican rule!! woo hoo!!

BTW, here are some articles on the subject:

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65665,00.html

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=409

Reply #38 By: jeblackstar - 11/11/2004 5:13:23 PM Which treasonous activities were those? Protesting a war that a large percentage of Americans disagreed with?

While still a member of the United States Armed Forces, by Kerry's own words he went to Paris and held un authorized secret meetings with North Vietnamese officals, which is illegal by both the constitution AND the uniform code of military justice. Now is that enough of a treasonous activity for you?

Election officials in Ohio have double trouble - Link
A Stolen Election? - Link