I like Obama more than Bush, I just don’t agree with him

The internet and the infrastructure ideas are both great ideas and excelent ways to stimulate the economy by providing people with the opportunity to expand their businesses and lifestyles, keeping up with today's technology and providing a great way to allow people to communicate with the rest of the world. I mean, if we can provide free tv signals, free radio signals, why not free internet signals? After all, some people already benefit from free wifi from places like McDonalds, libraries, Gov't buildings and any open signal one can find in the neighborhood, why not simply provide a full scale access to a useful resourse such as the internet.

The concept is perfect for people to pay their bills, keep track of expenses thru online banking, have access to online programs (like the many google programs) for free (either downloadable or web based) without having to buy expensive software, stay in contact with family, friends, work and the rest of the world, have access to extensive online dictionaries, encyclopedias and all kinds of educational resources, etc.

As for Bush, during his 8 years was when I started to become interested in politics so I don't really have an opinion on whether I liked Bush or not since I did not and up to this point still have very little knowledge about politics and history to form a decent opinion. I thought he did a decent job but I also think he had many faults. But the who doesn't? Obama is, like you said, the perfect candidate to be President, except he lacks some of the most important traits needed for the kind of situation he inherited.

This is good, sharing your "what would you do".  I think that the road projects are good because there are so many local governments where the bridges and roads are falling apart and who had to stop projects they started, or do without because of lack of funding.  This means more jobs for some and being able to keep their jobs for others.  I do like your idea of the universal internet service.

My only beef with the government doing a universal internet is that it would put many people currently at work at different ISP's out of work. You also raise the spectre of  government "controlling" the internet. I could see a rural push to provide areas service where it is not economically feasable for private interests to go there. I agree that this stimulus bill is overkill, and in many ways I wish there were seperate appropriations bills for each category so we could debate each one more openly. I do think that spending on some targeted items such as infrastructure and energy research are good things and should be done. Hoefully it will jumpstart the economy, but really, I think we may have just lessened the length by a couple of months at best. 

I disagree.  Does cable and satellitte tv put broadcasters out of work?  Of course not.  I think what is being suggested here is that the government provide free internet access but it would be incredibly slow so that if users want more speed then they have to pay for a service from an ISP and I think there will always be a demand for that.

I don't necessarily agree that free wireless access is the way to go, I think what would be better is have the government set up an ISP like what netzero used to be, a dial up service that was free to use for X hours each month.  That way anyone with a land line could get access to the internet for free, it would just be incredibly slow, they would then have to pay for faster service from a private ISP.

While the government may try that, they will never be successful.  The US government simply can't control something as massive and ever-changing as the internet.

I would also like to see a few dozen nuclear plants in the plan along with an overhaul of the aging power grid, including backup systems and grid parts such as transformers. As it stands now if a solar storm were to occur and we're overdue for one, it would take a month or more just to make the mostly hand made replacement parts. You think the economy is bad now imagine no power for the entire county for months.

Foreseeing and preparing for these scenarios is the responsibility of the government and this would be a perfect time to overhaul our disaster plans and response capabilities.

More research into automation and robotics. Probably not going to do much for unemployment but nobody works cheaper than a robot and that would bring back manufacturing and increase the GDP. 

Oh and I think we should build a space elevator. Then we could build huge space labs and start sending base modules to the moon. The solar system is cool and loaded with opportunity, it's time time we thoroughly checked it out.

I agree with el-duderino, I don't think it would put a lot of people out of work, maybe a few, but then so does every time something gets improved on. Look at how many TV repair shops have gone out of business as an example. The way it wqould work is as some have mentioned, provide a somewhat slow connection so that if people want faster service they can call their local internet providers.

Also as duderino said, they will try but fail and either way if you pay for your service you won't have the restriction. Either way I have been to Gov't offices such as the county clerks office and they have free wifi, I don't see the big deal in some restrictions. Especially when the internet use will be for basic stuff not necessarily for things like downloading huge files or playing online games. The purpose would be to simply provide basic access to the internet.

I'll have to disagree with you there buddy. The free dail-up internet would require people to have a phone line and with cell phone services being so cheap these days, many people probably don't even have phones at home. I didn't have one till a few months ago and mine is VoIP. Besides, dail-up is not slow, it's like going in reverse. That's like putting a Ferrari in the middle of New York traffic. Dail-up should go away like movies on VHS have.

stubby,

I am confused with your post. Part of it seemed as if your were being serious and the other as if you were being sarcastic. Would you explain some more?

Bush hates me because I am an atheist. ("I do not think atheists should be considered true citizens or patriots, this is one nation under god" - multiple interviews, years apart).

Obama hates me because I am white (many interviews, his church, his associations, his policies, etc).

Personally I find it more detestable to hate someone because of their genes (skin color) rather than their personality (your faith is one of the most important parts of your personality).

I don't know why people all go gaga about obama... they say he is a good speaker... admittedly he can debate well, but the POINTS he champions paint him as an ignorant racist who has no understanding of human nature, no understanding of economics, no understanding of math... basically a typical liberal. I find it disgusting, not appealing. Admitting mistakes is fine and all, especially if I was interested in having a friend or co worker... But this is a person who is in a position of power over me, who directly affects my life and economy. At that sort of relationship "admitting he made a mistake" is not enough. He should have listened when people told him that it was a mistake, not admitted it later when it failed miserably as everyone with half a brain knew it would.

I will use broadcast tv as my basis here.  You have to purchase rabbit ears (or some kind of antennae) to receive the channels over the air.  So why not require someone who wants free internet to have to get a land line.  You can get a land line just about anywhere in the US which makes it more usefull than wireless which would only be available in urban centers for the most part.  Yes dial-up sucks, but we are talking about getting something for free and since most of the infrastucture is already in place to support a national free dial-up service the cost to the government would be minimal (which is good).  And most likely anyone wanting free internet isn't going to be utilizing a lot of bandwidth anyway (mainly e-mail access and moderate surging) so dial-up should be sufficient.

it makes more sense to transfer all the phone and TV communication over to interner lines. Have high bandwidth fiber lines going to every house, and put phone, tv, internet, etc on those lines.

I have to respectfully disagree.  Bush is someone you could sit down and have a beer with and chat.  Obama would just make you feel bad about being successful.

No your right, I was being a little sarcastic with the robotics and space elevators. I think they're great ideas just not quite ready to be part of stimulus package.

Carbon nanotubes are still a decade away from having the necessary tensile strength to support a space elevator and computers are still too slow for any meaningful advances in robotics. However compared to some of the crap that's in this package they don't look so bad.

May I point out a flaw in your example? Once I pay for rabbit ears for my TV I pay one time only and no one can ever take my TV signal away (except now of course because of the change to digital but that's not the point). With a phone, you have monthly payments with multiple fees and taxes which will make the initial price higher once you get the first bill, not to mention it requires to make an appointment in most cases to have it installed. And once you miss payments you lose the service, with rabbit ears there is no service fee, TV is free.

True.  But I still think it would be easier and cheaper on the government to create a free dial up service then creating free wireless.  You can get a fairly basic land line phone package relatively cheap.  the government installing wireless networks would only be feasible in urban areas which leaves out the people who would benefit the most from free internet access.

I disagreed with Bush on a few things, but like you I thought he was a good man just doing what he thought was best. At least with Bush, what you saw was what you got. He might have bumbled about trying to remember peoples names off cue cards, and he might have even introduced many new words into the English language, but when he spoke, it was 100% Bush. When Obama speaks, its always from a teleprompter. He doesn't go anywhere without that thing and it doesnt matter how trivial the speech. And when that teleprompter isn't around, lookout. The boy wonder suddely seems lost without it. Bush was more genuine and he expressed himself with more of his own words and ideas than Obama ever will.

jeez, just as i was recovering from the shock of discovering a choir of self-proclaimed conservatives belting out an updated "big rock candy mountain" ("there'll be pie in the sky and free wifi") while envisioning and advocating government not merely licensing but OPERATING a full-on public communications network and was hoping to add to the fun, i saw this:

followed by this:

so now, instead of being able to offer a wry allusion to the tva or the wpa, i gotta encourage taltamir to explain how he knows dat bad mista barak hates him for the color of his genes, reminding him to please provide links to, if not actual statements or proclamations issued, uttered or even whispered by obama in public or otherwise.

you can see in alot of his policies... umm how short is your memory... granted it was not BO directly that said it... but when i someone says that " Whites and professionals dont need these jobs" kinda makes you raise an eyebrow

I think Bush could have done a lot for himself by just speaking and answering questions about what he was doing. The fact that he seemed so secretive fueled speculation and an created an sense that he was not connected with what was going on in the country.

Interesting that you take my word for bush hating atheists... One which I claim to back up by the same video evidence as obama hating whites... but ok. lets hop on to it.

First you should consult this:

http://www.youtube.com/user/NakedEmperorNews

http://www.nakedemperornews.com/

Now for specifics:

Barak is looking for salvation through salvation of african americans bringing a new age in this country, that and reparations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7fi8STNlxM&feature=channel

Barak has been a memeber for YEARS in a black only church that is extremely hateful of whites, specifically saying things like "9-11 was the black people of the world striking back at our white opressors". I doubt I need to link that since everyone knows about it already

Not proof of racism but interesing to know: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNfRb87dtY4&feature=channel_page

Anyways http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4y9_JtYErI&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opxuUj6vFa4&feature=channel_page

obama clearly sees CLINTON'S welfare reform as racism against blacks by the evil whites, and wants to reverse it (which he now is) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEhsjAcGayA&feature=channel_page

anyways just keep watching. It takes very little reading between the lines to see that obama is obsessed with race, he views himself as black

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

again keeps talking about himself being black and the need for redistribution of wealth.

So... what kind of things are they talking about at home? well, just ask mommy dearest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjt_qaCPtzM&feature=PlayList&p=64F94EC4C178264E&index=16

The bar is set and then they move the bar... always "they" try to keep the black man down... Despite the fact that the bar has always been set in the exact same place, its called WINNING the presidential vote, anything below it is preperation for that, and also has very set bar, nobody is "moving the bar" for your hubby. (if you are interested this was the first part of the speech, might wanna watch the last few minutes of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwkHFfO7hG8&feature=PlayList&p=64F94EC4C178264E&playnext=1&index=15

EDIT: PS. No I am not just relying on that one source, it is just an easily accessible collections of video and audio showing condemning evidence. But you could ofcourse bother to listen in on speeches yourself and hear things straight from the horses mouth so to speak.

Infrastructure projects definitely have their place, especially high-speed internet, but I'm not sure how universally viable it is. Korea can make enormous gains from that kind of project but then again their country is highly concentrated.

Big countries, like the US and  especially Australia, suffer from the tyrannies of distance and isolation. You can give high-speed connections affordably to 90% of the population, but that last 10% is fiendishly expensive.

That's not to say 90% isn't a good number, but it's unlikely to pass congress due to the spit in your eye effect.

I certainly wish that they had gone for more serious, tanglible projects such as massive rebuilding and improvement of our nation's highway and bridge system as such projects would create millions of jobs, instead of pet projects and pork barrel spending that is almost sure to start surfacing in the very near future (or so I suspect).

One can always hope that the states will act responsibly and spend the money they are given on legitimate projects that create jobs and provide some long term concrete benefits to the people, but I suspect that may be wishful thinking at best.

None of us actually know everything that is in that bill, including the people in Congress who voted on it, but I suspect there is a lot of junk spending in there that won't create jobs or ultimately improve the economy of this nation. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

I do agree that Obama has a more likeable public persona than Bush did, but let's all hope that at the end of the day that's not all he is.

Hope? look at the obamination it has given us?

The time for hope was during the election... I had hoped he would not be as bad as i feared when he was elected. But now there is nothing to hope for, he has shown his character and we are screwed. On the plus side, the united states can survive him... probably.

salvation through salvation of african-americans?  what the hell is that supposed to mean?  he's seeking his own personal salvation by filling appointments with blacks? 

he views himself as black? considering that's how the world views him, what's your point?

reparations?  if nothing else, his theoretical approach is legislative rather than judicial. (what kinda conservative are you?)

clinton's welfare reform?  do you have a clue how that really worked out vis-a-vis the unemployable? ssi applications that used to be automatically denied--not just once, but twice--were suddenly being approved in weeks.  guess what?  ssi pays way more than cash relief. 

not bad advice. but i guess hearing only the real speech in real time hardly caters to your preconceptions.

one more thing: there's a lotta wealth that should be redistributed--starting with every penny "earned" by those who facilitated and institutionalized mortgage fraud.  same goes for those who enriched themselves packaging credit card debt (the oher shoe that's yet to drop).  not that i expect it to happen but....