good thing for some of you that it's not troll hunting season (assuming you dislike the taste of lead, anyway).

 Neilo ya wanker, the moon landings never happened. Get with it mate!!

OK. So it may not be a hack, or due to Control-N.

I only have DL, so I can't say what other versions might do with certain settings.

But in any version of DL, those bonus tiles would have to be a hack.

Maybe something has changed that much in the other versions to allow it. If so, I would think it would be a bug that needs to be addressed.

As for Control-N being buggy...

I never have problems with it, whether it is 1 time or 15 (or more). No crashing, settings remain stable. (Except for a couple minor versions where Control-N did actually cause problems for everyone.)

Then why comment on the matter when you don't have the version of the game this is possible with?

Thats like me saying its impossible for someone to have a roll attack of 40 in D&D when i have not played it.

AFAIK the given amount of bonus tiles in a map size is hardocded. So when the map is being drawn the X number of tiles does not change even if the planets are set to rare. All those tiles that seem like a normal amount in a ~600 planet giga map have to go somewhere in the rare giga map, and that would be on the 11 or so planets in the map.

CTRL+N was only buggy in DA1.7 - 1.8F IIRC. Hasn't been an issue for some time. Unless others are still having trouble?

There was no mention of the version in the first posts.

And how do you know that the the total number of bonus tiles is hardcoded for map size, as opposed to a percentage thereof - or simply a random number? I have never heard mention of it from a dev. And if it were so, a tiny map set to rare should yield several of these 'all bonus tile' planets.

Unless a dev would care to give some input (how 'bout it dev's??), that is a dead issue. A planet that has all bonus tiles is either a hack or an extremely and near infinitely rare fluke (or a bug in the code).

Moosetek - DL is a different game.  I guess you didn't notice that you're posting in the TA area. Most of us who post in here at least own the game.

Coming in here and spouting off about cheating shows your true intent, which is trolling.  You're simply trying to get emotional responses to your comments.  Good job.  You're such the winner here.

@ Neilo - The 3 computers that I have the games on all exhibit crashes related to Ctrl-N.  The lowest revision has DA 1.80G and the others go to DA2.01.  (They also have TA 2.02, but I've only played one game in TA so far.)  Perhaps it's the OS.  I'm running XP Pro 32 bit on my computers.  I recall that you have Vista?

You're right, I didn't notice. Sorry. And I was not trolling.

I suppose that's reasonable to say you didn't notice that you were in here.  I still can't imagine what would motivate you to come in with such an accusatory tone, especially in what started out as such a friendly thread, but I guess that's now water under the bridge.

You say you're not trolling.  I'm sure the benefit of the doubt is in order.

They do. Check my profile. I have as much experiance playing tiny maps as anyone under these conditions. Ya don't get quite as much as you do in giga but thats understandable as the maximum planet count in a tiny is obviously less.

Of course it is, i'm so sorry to have doubted you, what with all your gameplay experiance in DA and TA on these very settings. How could it be anything else.

@Motti. Yes mate, i'm running Vista 64. I havent had anything more than a random crash when ctrl+n'ing for some time.

The 1.8G that i had from Cari that i hung onto for so long was the end of my crash issues, which is why i stayed with that build for so long.

Since my reinstall i could not install that build from archive due to some Impulse goodness and have had to go to the latest builds, but i still don't see the crashes anymore.

Though i also have not played anymore than about 20 ZYW's on these builds so i'm not playing as much to come across them either.

Yea i know...ya can see the strings. Just like in the maps we are talking about, ya can see the hex edits everywhere.

It's so obvious.

oops, i must've made a mistake. it appears it is troll-hunting season.

We've never agreed much on almost anything, Neilo... but, i give you that one.

Back on Topic, all "my" trolling intentions presumed or otherwise not in use either,

a-- Cheating Mode doesn't = Hacked playing which in turn doesn't mean the incode routines won't react as usual for Bonuses distribution on any given Map settings.

b-- Default Mode doesn't = automatic discovery of such high PQs with a packed deck of Bonuses IF or unless certain map settings allow for miracle randomizing factor(s) to occur.

Technically speaking though, when was the last time you saw an AI put the right PI on some of their corresponding Bonus tiles? It's as though they ignore such opportunities, at times. Can't detect a clear pattern there, but there has to be an explanation somehow.

are you trying to speak english again?

J/k.....

Uhmmm Never?

I am sick of seeing Research Co-Ord Centers on 300% tiles.

The AI do seem to use the food tiles well though. Ok i should say better then other tiles, not well.

Oui. Da...

   After playing over 100 games to date trying your method just for S&G I have come to find that the ONLY way you could get that kind of planet was throgh either a hack or a mod.

The very best planet I got out of those 100 games was a class 15 and had 4 boosts on it and the best was a 300% Research.  Overall the best boost I saw was a 700% manufacturing and that happened exactly once.  The majority of the immensense maps produced a whopping 8 planets that were habitable and of those usualy 25% required some sort of Advanced Colonization to be utilized.

Overall I will stick to more productive maps that offer a whole lot more fun WITHOUT having to cheat or use a Mod of some kind. Otherwise it just becomes boring way to fast and that is the last reason I want to play.

Your kidding right?

What do you mean you got a class 15. All this pertains to the HW, nothing else.

But regardless, i'll raise you your 100 games with my 500+ and say that your a dick.

This is no cheat or mod.

Stick to whatever games you want, but before trying to tell us we are all cheats and modders, pull your head out of your ass, read the whole thread, and maybe the ZYW thread and go bother someone else with your knowledge.

What is fun is relative to who is playing.

Be gone troll....

Now, in the time between my above post and now (about 4 mins of actual game time) i have loaded up DA MV game played it out with the ZYW settings and got this result. (It's the same for TA as it is DA)

Here is the galaxy settings:

Now look. No CTRL+N and look what i got. If i had CTRL+N a few times i may have got better, or worse. I have had 4 library's with no CTRL+N before.

This is the final look of the map after taking the AI out.

And this is the score from in the game and then as it appears in my profile.

Now just cause you can't repeat these events does not mean there are mods or cheats at hand.

Do you see a cheat flag next to the game? No.

And just cause i am getting pissy at the pleebs who can't do this so it must not be possible, in the last 10 mins i have outscored your best game by about six to one. I normally would never compare scores like this, but i cant stand being called a cheat.

Don't come in here and tell me we are cheating.

Now with your tail between your legs run home to mama....

Edit - For the ZYW players out there wondering why i went to April 15 not April 8. The bloody Thalans had 8 ships in orbit when i attacked. My Ship only had moves of 5.

Okay, okay... we all submit to the excellency stature of Neilo's ZYW valid games!

Thanks for the tricks - but be gentle on us all poor weird dumb players who can't even match that level of "strategic intelligence during UNcheated games" results.

Naw, Zyx.  Neilo hasn't pointed any fingers at you or anyone else who simply want's to know how it's done.  He's just pointing out the obvious.  That loser trolls like spdtristam have no brain and can only spout "cheater" when faced with something that exposes their inability to play a simple game.

Case in point, spdtristam has played over 100 games and still cant figure out how to click on the link you provided early in this thread.  I suppose we should feel sorry for him and those unfortunates like him, but I can't help but chuckle at their little minds. 

It's really kind of cute, in a "look what my pet garden slug can do" kind of way. 

one word: escargot.

Oh geez...(slaps self in forehead)....

Ya know, i regret wording my post as i did, but i won't edit, i'll leave it there, i made my point nontheless.

Ya know Zyx, if my comments were aimed at you, i'd wear what you said, that would be a fair response.

But i guess i shouldn't be surprised you responded, when one goes fishing for trolls I cannot complain when I catch the biggest one now can I?

"weird dumb player"

Not sure i could have coined a better epitaph for you if i tried.

*Insert "troll" smilie here...*

 Man originally i started this thread to see if anyone else had monster planets like the one I got and to practice putting screen shots in the forums so I was kinda surprised at the direction it took (i.e. accusations of cheating, which never occured to me would happen). Spdtrisam's post was classic!! I hope they keep on comin cause they're makin this thread very entertaining . Keep em comin!!!!

 The funniest thing is, I'm starting to play around with editing the game files so many of my games from now on are going to be marked with cheat flags so technically I AM a cheater now . Am I the only one who finds this highly amusing?? Just wondering .

 This thread inspired me to play a ZYW game or two with DA. After finishing my first game and a few ctrl-n's I got this as my homeworld

and this as my secondary world

How's THAT for cheating .

EDIT: Sorry got em backwards. First picture was my secondary world and the second picture was my homeworld.

Did you play that game out TR? i know it will be flagged but im interested in what score you might have got o that one.

 Actually it wouldn't have been flagged but doesn't matter cause I had to ditch the game since the starting planets were way to far apart