Obama’s America? Is this what you signed up for?

from what i am told by real life liberals... bushs stimulus was evil and vicious rape of america (Despite being opposed by most republicans and passed mostly by democrats... and by most i mean 10/50 most not simply majority)... and yet obama's plan is a godsend... so yea that is what they signed up for...

as for the other major changes... also lauded. I literally said to a liberal "didn't you say this was evil when bush was doing it? and obama is doing it too now" and was responded with "well I guess I have to rethink my opposition to the subject"...

Another explained to me how bush sanctioned ILLIGAL torture of enemy combatants / survailence of americans... while obama is now going to do so LEGALLY (by properly changing the laws... apperantly the way "bush" aka congress did was NOT legal before, is legal now)...

I am not even sure if obama DID sanction any torture, but that is what I was told...

Theres a certain amount of "I told ya so" satisfaction that comes along with having Obamas actual intentions confirmed so early, but now I just hope that we can survive the damage he will do to our country for the next 4 years until we can get him out of office. 

well... i really hoped he would proove me wrong. but this "stimulus" and the promise of another one of the same size scare the crap out of me, in my worse nightmares about obama I never imagined it will be THAT bad....

America is getting what they voted for....a Chicago politician.

Obama and democrats haven't had their power for more than a month, and already they are shaping America to be their socialist state they have always wanted.

Come now comrade, let us all enjoy some cake as equals... no matter how hard we work...

I'm unemployed and I refuse to take handouts until I'm starving on the street.  I'm actually proud to say that.
Seeing as I have a roof over my head, a computer and internet, I don't feel I've reached that point...

As long as Obama is black there is no way that will matter.

Liberals do accept that Democrats can be irresponsible corrupt gangsters, but only WHITE Democrats.

(I assume a corrupt Republican black is possible.)

I don't like this idea but I have said before, sometimes people just need to be taught a lesson. So, even though many innocent will suffer, I say let them have what they asked for and we'll clean up the mess afterward.

You have to give it to the Democrats they were pretty clever. Anyone opposing the president will be labeled a racist and diminish any threat to their agenda. They took a chance on the racial climate in the US (which IMO is pretty good), the current politically correctness and got the most inexperienced candidate in modern history elected to the presidency. Most black voters will never abandon Obama, no matter what, on the principle alone. So he may be infallible regardless off what he does.

I'm completely amazed that the left were so worried about being "wire-tapped", the outrage of the Patriot Act, yet they roll over and support legislation that hasn't been scrutinized in it's entirety by one person. Here's my analogy.

A man wants to buy a car. The dealer tells him he has just the car for him, it's a bit expensive but you need this car NOW. What model/color is it? Don't worry you'll like it, it's loaded. The man asks if he can see it and is told NO, if you don't take it you will never be able to have another one, and your dog (or was it your wife) may die to boot.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

The Democrats were not clever. They were steamrollered by Obama's campaign even more than the Republicans were. The Democratic establishment wanted Hillary Clinton. But Obama was unstoppable.

It reminds me of the New Coke fiasco. And the Democrats and the US finally ended up not with "new" politicians but with the Chicago establishment. Perhaps the USA do need "change". But perhaps so does Chicago.

I'll agree in part, they did want Clinton. After super Tuesday they threw her to the wolfs quick. They realized race trumps gender any day of the week (look at both Clinton and Palin). Hillary was alway going to have a polarizing effect to some degree. She was discarded quickly for the better hand. So I'll stand by my original post since they were clever enough to jump on the BO bandwagon at the right time.

I quit my job and took a student loan, for the first time in my LIFE I am in debt, and I REFUSE to go back to work until I see an INCENTIVE to do so. I am an able bodied 24 year old single man, and I refuse to be the sucker who works for others.

except they will blame bush and the republicans... heck the first stimulus is "bush's bailout for rich people", despite it being voted for by a supermajority of democrats and voted against by a supermajority of republicans.

see the problem I have with this is the fact once you start inacting alot of the stuff that is in the bill... its very very hard to take it away. Thats political suicide for anyone that tries to do so after its in place. So no it cant be fixed not without alot of pain and a realzation from the politicans that reverse all this stuff that their term is short lived... as long as they understand its best for the country... but really when was the last time any politican did anything that was a huge opposition that was better off for the country? none come to mind

As long as your not soaking up tax money and living offf the government have at it, but if you are I will say your just as bad as all the other people with hands out wanting something. this was a desision you made yourself and there is no reason why we should pay to have you sit on your as

that is exactly my POINT. I VOTED for sound economic policy, but in the lack of it I do not volunteer to shoulder the stupidy...

This is like when hawaii passed their "free" children healthcare. Everyone got on it, even people who "could affort healthcare for their children" canceled their plans and got on the government plan, which collapsed.

Its called communism, it doesn't work, and there is no "glory" or "good" in being the one working sucker in a communistic society.

Good =! stupid

PS. Although to be honest, for the longest time I WAS stupidly good. No more, I am sick of sacrificing. I will vote, I will speak, but if plans go into effect that penalize productivity than I would choose to be unproductive.

PPS. I am paying 150$ a month for medical insurance, the day we have the new taxpayer subsidized insurence I will cancel mine and get on the "free stuff" bandwagon.

I was looking forward to comments from our fellow liberal, get their views on this issue. I know why conservative mention it, any other points of view out there?

If you voted for BO then you voted for what your getting. Even mccain i dont think would have much better.

You dont vote for the lesser of the 2 evils. No one makes you do so and that is why there is write in. Even if your guy does not have a chance it may start opening eyes to others and get the ball rolling. Sadly the guy in Venizuala would win an election in the states now because the minds of the US populus has been taking hold of the mold of the socailistic thinking

Ones worth defending anyways.

I voted for mccain. I disagreed with him on social policy, but at least he proposed sound economic policy, a spending freeze, severe spending cuts, eliminating pork, and reducing giveouts.

For all we know he is full of it, and would have done exactly what BO is doing. But he at least claimed sound policy while BO promised wealth redistribution, reparations, and entitlement.

If that is what american society wants to be like, if that is their "change", then fine. But don't come to me, who voted against such "change" and say "well, why aren't you working hard to support the hungry multitudes who voted to penalize working"

Google for example, actively opposes the current copyright law, and proclaims exactly how it is hurting society to have it abused... but they are also abusing the hell out of it, because there is no sense in them volunteering to suffering... That might not fit with ideals of "good" and "evil" you got from watching TV. But it is good in the REAL WORLD. And evil in the real world is cases where companies activly campaign to make the law more corrupt. like the RIAA.

O man dont get me started on the RIAA man lol

See what I fear about mccain is that he would do alot of what GWB did in his second term. I hate gov interfearance along with bailing out huge companies. there has been so much fail in gov lately its disgusting. Its to bad most amreicans refuse to make a living and such.

well, yes... although the bush bailout was opposed by a supermajority of rebulican congressmen and voted for by a supermajority of democrat congressmen...

For example in the senate only 20% of republican sentators voted for it...

But yes, mccain did seem to be the bitch of "intelectual property owners"... Its just that I would take tigher pro DRM laws over the obama alternative. When I said I disagreed with him about social policy I was including the internet as social policy.

I don't think McCain would have faired much better on the economy. IMO the stimulus would have still gone through, but would have been smaller and had more tax cuts (definitely more bi-partisan) and the left would now be calling it more of the same as the Bush administration. I believe he would have been constantly in push-pull relationship with congress.

I supported him mostly for his experience and the handling of terrorists and the current wars. Perhaps with the current congress we have, the best thing that could have happened was for him to lose. Now the new emperor is fully exposed (as well as congress) it's all on him, they have no room to hide. As in chess, sometimes you must sacrifice a piece to win the game.

mccain did promise a spending freeze, the stimulus isn't so much a stimulus as simply a bunch of money for a bunch of government agencies to do whatever they want with.

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