The Politics of Division

OR: What We Learned from Election '04

The United States of America has always been about the concepts of freedom and responsibility. It was founded on those principles 225 years ago when a group of mostly rich, mostly well-educated people got together and decided that representation in a government was more important than loyalty to the King of England and freedom to achieve was more important than supporting decisions of a government that didn't have your interests at heart. A poll taken among the new citizens of the united colonies just after July 4, 1776 would not, however, supported the view that the the people of the colonies necessarily agreed with these views and indeed, were deeply divided over whether this "Declaration of Independence" in Philadephia was worth the paper on which it was written.

The beginnings of the United States reminds us that division of the electorate into 2 disparate camps as it is now is not the worst thing that could happen. However, the reasons for the split and analysis of what people said in Exit Polls does paint a picture of America that is very disturbing and if not reconsidered by both parties could lead to dire consequences for our democratic system.

The first thing that the Exit Polls tell us is that most people voting (78% according to the CNN poll) had already decided whom they would vote for over a month before the election. The theory that politics is about ideas and that debates are meaningful is clearly contradicted by this result. $6 billion in election spending by the parties was overkill for what most voters already thought and changed almost nobody's mind.

We can't distinguish between Republicans and Democrats in the poll so we have to assume that the "gut instinct" used by the voter (since Mr. Kerry had not had significant opportunity to Wow! us with his debating skills) suggests strongly that the election was a referendum on Mr. Bush, plain and simple. Indeed, voters said in the same CNN polls that those who thought Iraq was the most important issue in the campaign voted almost 3 to 1 for Kerry. Those that thought Terrorism was the most important issue voted 3 to 1 for Bush. Thus a division of purpose. Those that cared about Iraq dismissed terrorism as something either candidate can do much to prevent. Those that cared about terrorism thought Iraq might be an "adventure in poor judgment" but thought Bush had shown leadership against terrorism.

Did Kerry ever have a reasonable chance of winning the election when so many of the real issues were a referendum on Bush? It is unlikely that Kerry could have won any votes from the NBB (Nobody BUT Bush) with any argument. Kerry was painted as "immoral" even though he is a lifetime Catholic with an altar boy background in Boston. Bush was a hard drinking, cocaine snorting hillbilly who was at most a C Student at Yale and Harvard. Yet, Bush was the "moral values" choice by the electorate. Bush could do no wrong with the NBB coalition that included upper income earners, Evangelical Christians, rural farmers and the rural poor. Even the lack of WMD's, the inability to capture Osama Bin Laden and the militaristic attitudes of the Bush Administration towards traditional allies in Europe and elsewhere (Canada and Mexico) only reinforced a belief in these voters that Bush was their man.

The fact is: this coalition of peoples may not have liked each other, but they sure did think Bush was "their boy." They may be accused of not knowing the issues, not seeing the big picture, but they voted for Bush anyway. They didn't vote against Kerry whom they respected for being an "Intel"-lectual, but he would always finish second to the boy from Texas! (Bush may think Kerry worked for Intel for all we know, wouldn't put it past him).

The second exit poll analysis that is obvious is that the cities and the suburban-rural areas are divided politically into 2 groups, each with a much different political focus than the other. Kerry won almost every city in America, even in the south, even in Texas. But the cities in many states were not big enough to overshadow the suburban-rural groups. This means that the agendas of LA, Chicago, New York City, Boston, Washington are much different from the America George Bush lives in politically. Where the cities were big enough (California, New York, Illinois) Kerry won. Where they weren't (all of the South and into the West) Bush won.

This would tend to be a more important issue going forward for Republicans as the American population tends to become more and more concentrated in city areas. Bush was a "dynamic" force in the rural and suburban areas, but another candidate might not be so fortunate. Rudy Giuliani, Bill Frist, Ralph Reed (all possible 2008 Republican candidates) do not have the "dynamics" to keep the coalition together as it must to win again. The Democrats, on the other hand, will be even more appealing to the city voter after 4 more years of Republican government. It might even play out that someone even more liberal than Kerry could win simply by the virtue that city voters believe it has been 8 years since anyone represented their interests (healthcare, jobs, prescription drugs, social security).

Many times the phrase "a uniter not a divider" came up in the campaign. How does a candidate in the future ever do that given the disparity the polls showed? How does one bridge the gap between moral values and political values. Bush hasn't done it and shows no inclination to spend "political capital" doing it in the future. The Republican Candidate for President in 2008 would have to run even more "right" than Bush to hold on to the energy needed to defeat the city voters who will be even more united next time.

It paints a very sad picture of the politics of right and left. However, perhaps that is all we now have remaining.
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The Republican Candidate for President in 2008 would have to run even more "right" than Bush to hold on to the energy needed to defeat the city voters who will be even more united next time.


Or be someone that both sides can find something to like about them....
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historyishere:

Well, I don't think that will work. A Republican candidate will have to appeal to the party Bush leaves behind that feels betrayed very easily by any indication of weakness. This is something that the polls didn't talk about but obviously when Bush would not admit that he had made mistakes this is something that the "moral values" people LIKED!

Any of the Republicans talked about in 2008 would lose the "moral values" crowd if they appealed to the left. Appealing to the left is essentially saying that you have no moral values to begin with. They don't want a "uniter" as they like to think of themselves as the Republicans "chosen people."
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So you don't think someone like McCain appeals to both Republicans and a decent number of Democrats?
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You make an excellent point on the "war on terror" and the war in Iraq. It seems like Bush supporters were willing to defend his b.s. decision(s) in Iraq simply to elect someone they felt they could identify with.
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My take on it is not so much that people disagreed with Kerry's moral values but more that they didn't have a firm view of what Kerry's moral values were. For whatever reason, whether by design, accident, or media representation, a hard firm definition of Kerry's moral values wasn't apparent to the public.

Bush's values, however, were apparent and I suspect, whether people agreed with Bush's moral values or not, the fact that he definitely had readily identifiable values carried a lot of weight. Especially during a time of war. People tend to want a leader that shows a clear definition of what our objective is, rather than one that doesn't seem to portray a definite path.

Personally, I think Kerry would have won had he spent less time talking about how bad Bush and his policys were, and more time painting a clear picture of his plan. Most of what I saw from him was "I've got a plan" and "Look at my website". That's not definitive enough for people that want solutions not criticisms.
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historyishere:

No, Bush crushed McCain in the 2000 primaries by doing the same thing he did to Kerry. Evangelicals have very good memories and would reject McCain (I think he is somewhat pro-choice also).
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pictatorus:

I really don't think that ANYTHING Kerry did in the debates actually had any effect on the Bush voters. Had he tried to paint Bush any blacker the base would have become more and more energized to "protect their own." The thing is, the next Republican candidate won't have that luxury.
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CrispE

I'm not talking specifically about Bush voters. I think a large portion of them had their mind made up early on, as were a large portion of Kerry voters.

I was talking more about middle of the road, undecided, fence straddlers; whatever you want to call them. The people, either without a definite political ideology or those with an ideology not matched by either candidate.
The ones who were looking at the candidates with an attitude of "How do I feel about this guy? Do I think he's committed to taking care of the problems we face? Does he have a plan I can get behind?

But I agree with you, as far as the result of 'painting Bush black'. I believe it does re-enforce the 'already for Bush' as well as push marginal Democrats and undecideds toward Bush.

But there is a larger context in this, than this race alone. I believe the current Democratic party, with its negativity and divisiveness is responsible for the conservative shift in the public at large that has taken place in the last 10 - 15 years and is responsible for the Republicans gaining power in Congress and State offices as well.

Unfortunately, it seems to be a catch-22 situation for the Democrats. The more power they lose, the more corrosive they become, which only accelerates the process.
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Draginol made a vere good case why the democrats lost. And he was dead on. By this blog I see my prediction is going to turn out correct. That they will not learn the lessons and instead try to blame it on everyone but their own shortcomings. This sure starts the conservatives on the right foot for 2008.

Keep believing this and the lies that were told by the liberal elite. You will not win another major campaign.
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Dr. Guy:

First, I am not a representative for the Democratic Party nor am I running for office. Second, Draginol is entitled to his opinion as am I. Certainly his opinion before the election didn't pan out and you will notice that I never predicted victory for anyone. My endorsement of Kerry was based on issues which I determined were important to the future, which Kerry had a better chance of solving IMO.

Finally, if we as Americans don't stop seeing government as an election cycle we are missing the point of democratic principles. This election was not about issues but rather the personality of Bush. Had Americans scrutinized the work of the President and Congress over the last 4 years they might have looked at the issues and not decided before the debates ever occured.

Kerry, btw, got 4 million more votes than Al Gore in 2000. If Kerry could do that for the Democrats in 2004 who could the Republicans run in 2008 who could get more than Bush?
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pictoratus:

Among "independent" (i.e. non-affiliated) voters Kerry and Bush ran even suggesting that they were just as likely as the affiliated to have made up their mind weeks before the election, perhaps even before the debate. Most of them I would think weighed Iraq versus Terrorism and came down on the debate the same way everyone else did (divided).

The polls would not indicate that divisiveness is a Democratic theme. Consider the Democratic "coalition": Women, Blacks, Poor Whites, Latinos (except in some parts of Florida), Unionists, and Jews. That's a pretty ecletic mix of people with divergent backgrounds and goals.

As for corrosiveness, who was meaner in approach in this election? Attack ads against Kerry outnumbered the opposite by a 2 or 3 to 1 margin. So I don't think it's the corrosiveness of the Democrats that beat them. What does beat them is not mobilizing their base as much as the Republicans. Ohio is a good test case for that where more Democrats voted for Kerry than Gore in 2000 but not as strongly as the rural-urban Republicans.
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What does beat them is not mobilizing their base as much as the Republicans


Are you saying this has been the reason for the shift to Republicans in power taking place over the past 10-15 years. That is the time period in which Dems have gradually lost power in both Houses and only elected one president(Clinton), who was fairly centrist. Clinton ran on a positive message and described a pretty clear picture of where he wanted to go in his presidency.

Also, I think it is a matter is extremes, or more aptly put, the wider swing the Dems have taken in their methods. Try to picture Martin Luther King espousing hate for a sitting president or suggesting one race get preference over another. There's such a stark contrast between the Dems of then and the Dems of now, that it is more apparent of how their approach to gain voters and base has changed. I really feel they are moving away from the beliefs and values of a lot of their base.
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Iirc McCain is pro-life, but not adamantly pro-life. I think McCain will get the nomination unless a strong social conservative candidate emerges.

Attack ads against Kerry outnumbered the opposite by a 2 or 3 to 1 margin.


Where did you get this stat, and does it include 527s?

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Reply #13 By: Madine - 11/5/2004 5:20:07 PM
Iirc McCain is pro-life, but not adamantly pro-life. I think McCain will get the nomination unless a strong social conservative candidate emerges.

Attack ads against Kerry outnumbered the opposite by a 2 or 3 to 1 margin.


Where did you get this stat, and does it include 527s?


I bet it don't!
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One thing that would help the left is to quit describing Bush supporters as morons, bigots, racists, red necks, Nazis, etc.

This kind of arrogance:

The fact is: this coalition of peoples may not have liked each other, but they sure did think Bush was "their boy." They may be accused of not knowing the issues, not seeing the big picture, but they voted for Bush anyway. They didn't vote against Kerry whom they respected for being an "Intel"-lectual, but he would always finish second to the boy from Texas! (Bush may think Kerry worked for Intel for all we know, wouldn't put it past him).

Says it all.  I supported Bush and I think you'd have a hard time describing me as someone who has intimidated by self-proclaimed "intel-lectuals".  (BTW, Bush scored higher on the military IQ test).

As for corrosiveness, who was meaner in approach in this election? Attack ads against Kerry outnumbered the opposite by a 2 or 3 to 1 margin

And this is just so incorrect I won't bother to respond (hint: 527s were vastly anti-Bush).

 

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Reply #11 By: CrispE - 11/5/2004 3:49:32 PM
pictoratus:
As for corrosiveness, who was meaner in approach in this election? Attack ads against Kerry outnumbered the opposite by a 2 or 3 to 1 margin. So I don't think it's the corrosiveness of the Democrats that beat them. What does beat them is not mobilizing their base as much as the Republicans. Ohio is a good test case for that where more Democrats voted for Kerry than Gore in 2000 but not as strongly as the rural-urban Republicans.



What a load! Where to start. 527's against Kerry "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth". Those against Bush, ACT, move on.org, media fund, america coming together,america votes, Americans for Jobs, Health Care & Progressive Values, Bring Ohio Back, Center for American Progress, Grassroots Democrats, New Democrat Network, Progressive Donor Network, Sierra Club need I go on? And that's not counting the idividuals. Of the top 10 individual donors to 527 committees, all are backing anti-Bush or Democratic-allied groups. Of the 50 largest groups, 34 of them are allied with the Democrats or anti-Bush.

The top donors include Soros, Peter Lewis, the head of Progressive Insurance, and Andrew and Deborah Rappaport. Andrew Rappaport is a partner in a Menlo Park, Calif., venture capital firm.

Nice try. Now try again!
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Draginol:

Once again (and once more for the record) I don't represent the Democratic Party and was undecided until the last week of the campaign. So my "arrogance" as you phrase it is inconsequential. I don't think the leadership of the Democratic Party is reading either my blog or yours.

However, in regard to the quote, what I am saying is that the coalition on the right is made up of diverse groups whom would not associate with each other on normal circumstances but had the one commonality of supporting Bush.

As for the Bushism, give me a break! This is a guy who talks about internetS and "strategery"! I mean, one guy has written 2 books just on Bushisms.
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dr:

You know, suggesting there was one 527 group on Bush's side is ROFL funny and incorrect. The truth is that both sides had more than a dozen each. The thing is, the right used all it's ad money not talking about the positives of Bush but the negatives of Kerry and everyone knows it. I'd bet you couldn't find 3 positive ads about Bush by his 527 supporters.

Now why is that?
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Reply #18 By: CrispE - 11/5/2004 11:22:21 PM
dr:

You know, suggesting there was one 527 group on Bush's side is ROFL funny and incorrect. The truth is that both sides had more than a dozen each. The thing is, the right used all it's ad money not talking about the positives of Bush but the negatives of Kerry and everyone knows it. I'd bet you couldn't find 3 positive ads about Bush by his 527 supporters.


Actually it's NOT funny. Granted there are more than one 527 against kerry. But how many of those against kerry did you hear during the campaign? Only 1, SBVT's. And how many did you hear from during the campaign that were against Bush? Just about every one that I listed.
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Madine:

I had a source that gave a more complete picture but if you read this from the LA Times Link it talks about the ratio and the impact. Yes, it includes 527's which were almost exclusively attack oriented.

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pictatorus:

Yes, the Democrats do have trouble mobilizing the voter. The lack of effort on their parts in 2000 was what prompted the huge effort of the last several years to get the inner city vote registered and active.

I'm not sure what the relationship between Clinton in the 90's (Clinton ran in 92 as a charismatic man with a tremendously positive message and George Bush had violated what was then a cardinal sin to Republicans of raising taxes after saying he wouldn't). Clinton mobilized the base by relating to the voter while Bush didn't.

The thing is, the vote was close until the final 2 weeks when Bush called Clinton a "bozo." A dead heat in the election became a 3 point Clinton lead and election. But Clinton had little support from the evangelicals and did not run well with white collar voters. But they didn't come out in real numbers for Bush either.

The Democratic "platform" on healthcare, social security, and jobs has been consistent for many many years. Only on trade, especially NAFTA was there much party squabbling. To be fair, the Republicans have been consistent also on many issues but in this election many issues were never raised but that didn't matter because the election was not about issues.
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drmiler:

Only one group with attack ads?? Anyone want to support dr? Even your friends know there were 5 or 6 that ran ads even in deep blue states the money flowed so well from the Republican party brass and their "non-ties" to the 527's. How about Sinclair's attempt to show Stolen Honor? I suppose that doesn't count either, does it?
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For a little while there, this struck me as a thoughtful article with a reasonable premise and some good ideas and I thought that maybe you had achieved some insight.

Then I got to paragraph 5, saw that you had learned absolutely nothing from this election and promptly stopped reading.

Cheers,
Daiwa
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Reply #22 By: CrispE - 11/5/2004 11:53:32 PM
drmiler:

Only one group with attack ads?? Anyone want to support dr? Even your friends know there were 5 or 6 that ran ads even in deep blue states the money flowed so well from the Republican party brass and their "non-ties" to the 527's. How about Sinclair's attempt to show Stolen Honor? I suppose that doesn't count either, does it?


Is Sinclar considered a 527? Of course NOT. And you have NO proof of ties between the republicans and the 527's. If so show your proof!
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CrispE
Ok, so the Dems have not been able to mobilize their voter base for the last 15 or so years. Why do you suppose that is? And do you think becoming angrier and more vitriolic will do it? Do you think fomenting class envy will do it? Get them to hate the rich or the religious enough and they will finally go vote?

I think the Democrats have changed in both their methods and their policys in the last 40 years. It didn't start to have the backlash until about the 80's. As they lost seats in the House and Senate, they have really become desperate and are willing to give up anything to regain power; tolerance and equality for everyone (yes, that includes rich and religious people) to name a few.