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Facts About Obama’s Porkulus Bill

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Facts About Obama’s Porkulus Bill

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Michelle Malkin has a great roundup of facts about the Porkulus bill that Obama and democrats are trying to scare you into supporting.

Lets take a look.

* $2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero
emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Dept. of Energy
defunded
last year because the project was inefficient
* A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to
buy motion picture film
* $650 million for the digital television (DTV) converter box
coupon program
* $88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar
icebreaker (arctic ship)
* $448 million for constructing the Dept. of Homeland
Security headquarters
* $248 million for furniture at the new Dept. of Homeland
Security headquarters
* $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees
* $400 million for the CDC to screen and prevent STD’s
* $1.4 billion for a rural waste disposal programs
* $125 million for the Washington, D.C. sewer system
* $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities
* $1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost
overrun of $3 billion
* $75 million for “smoking cessation activities”
* $200 million for public computer centers at community
colleges
* $75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI
* $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse
reduction
* $500 million for flood reduction projects on the
Mississippi River
* $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas
* $6 billion to turn federal buildings into “green” buildings
* $500 million for state and local fire stations
* $650 million for wildland fire management on Forest Service
lands
* $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities

This is just a very small portion of some of the pork and other useless nonsense in this bill.  Anybody who still believe the “hope and change” slogan is a sucker.

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

So if I'm reading this right, spending money on energy efficiency, security personel, waste disposal, flood defences, fighting health epidemics, education, and fire services is all 'pork'?! In that case, give me all the pork I can eat!
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1. Energy efficiency - spending money on it will slightly decrease greenhouse emissions at the cost of harming the economy. Humanity accounts of 3% of the total global carbon emissions. Carbon Dioxide is harmless to humans and animals and healthy for plants, and the global heating trend in the last few years is firmly tied to sun activity (back in the 1970s they were saying carbon emissions cause global COOLING... which was ALSO caused by sun activity). While I firmly supported this before, all the reliable research shows that it is the sun activity that is causing this, not human carbon emissions.

PS. renewable is not GREEN, it is more environmentally damaging then conventional power sources; massive tracts of land need to be cleared, materials minded and process, etc, to produce renewable sources (like wind and solar). NUCLEAR is green, it has the smallest footprint of any other type of energy source known to man.

2. Security personel - We have too many of those actually, specifically ones whose jobs is to do illigal survailence of americans, fight the war on drugs, etc... we need cuts, not expanding of those programs.

3. Waste disposal - we already are disposing of waste, this is also most likely more recycling bullshit, which actually does more harm to the environment, AND it harms the ecnomy.

4. Flood defences - that is actually a good and necessary spenditure, that should go through, but it should not go through as part of an economy stimulus plan, it will harm to economy (money wasted), but it will help protect people and property from a potential disaster, this should go on its own bill.

5. STDs are not health epidemics in the united states, and the only people affected by it are those who practice unsafe sex... they to the deed, they are welcome to the consequences.

6. The only "education" I see there is "educate about the dangers of alcohol and tabacco"... everyone ALREADY KNOWS they are dangerous, and the government plans are so ineffective they could actually be blamed to increase consumption. Some bimbo saying this is your brain on drugs and then destroy a kitchen is not going to make kids avoid drugs.

7. Fire services - IF, and ONLY IF, you have an underfunded fire department, then it needs to have it boosted. But it should be its own bill, and it will not stimulate the economy. However most likely its a case of a perfectly funded firestations which are going to get more money, which will help the SPECIFIC counties getting the money (the stations will spend it locally obviously) at the cost of taxpayers in the entire country, thus it is pork.

Reply #27 from PolMach Forums Top

Quoting taltamir, reply 1

So if I'm reading this right, spending money on energy efficiency, security personel, waste disposal, flood defences, fighting health epidemics, education, and fire services is all 'pork'?! In that case, give me all the pork I can eat!
1. Energy efficiency - spending money on it will slightly decrease greenhouse emissions at the cost of harming the economy. Humanity accounts of 3% of the total global carbon emissions. Carbon Dioxide is harmless to humans and animals and healthy for plants, and the global heating trend in the last few years is firmly tied to sun activity (back in the 1970s they were saying carbon emissions cause global COOLING... which was ALSO caused by sun activity). While I firmly supported this before, all the reliable research shows that it is the sun activity that is causing this, not human carbon emissions.

PS. renewable is not GREEN, it is more environmentally damaging then conventional power sources. NUCLEAR is green.

2. Security personel - We have too many of those actually, specifically ones whose jobs is to do illigal survailence of americans, fight the war on drugs, etc... we need cuts, not expanding of those programs.

3. Waste disposal - we already are disposing of waste, this is also most likely more recycling bullshit, which actually does more harm to the environment, AND it harms the ecnomy.

4. Flood defences - that is actually a good and necessary spenditure, that should go through, but it should not go through as part of an economy stimulus plan, it will harm to economy (money wasted), but it will help protect people and property from a potential disaster, this should go on its own bill.

5. STDs are not health epidemics in the united states, and the only people affected by it are those who practice unsafe sex... they to the deed, they are welcome to the consequences.

6. The only "education" I see there is "educate about the dangers of alcohol and tabacco"... everyone ALREADY KNOWS they are dangerous, and the government plans are so ineffective they could actually be blamed to increase consumption. Some bimbo saying this is your brain on drugs and then destroy a kitchen is not going to make kids avoid drugs.

7. Fire services - IF, and ONLY IF, you have an underfunded fire department, then it needs to have it boosted. But it should be its own bill, and it will not stimulate the economy. However most likely its a case of a perfectly funded firestations which are going to get more money, which will help the SPECIFIC counties getting the money (the stations will spend it locally obviously) at the cost of taxpayers in the entire country, thus it is pork.
End of taltamir's quote

 

the simple fact of the matter is so little money out of this is really going to something useful . most of the good stuff could have gone in a difrent bill... Like schools... this is a long term investment.... something that will pay off in the long run...why not have that spreate so they get it right?  This has nothing to do with stimulating the economy

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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top

What we DESPERATELY need is massive spending CUTS. the united states was a shining beacon of technology and freedom, leading the world, with seemingly infiniate resources... the rest of the world cought up... and the united states pertended it didn't and kept extravagantly spending, digging itself deeper and deeper into dept.

We can't keep pretending, but that is exactly what they are doing, they are pretending we have infinite money, and go out and borrow 800 billion and dump it on programs. Those programs happen to be bullshit, but even if they were useful programs than it still should not happen, we SHOULD be cutting useful and NECESSARY programs that we simply cannot AFFORD to balance the budget. Yes it sucks, but thats the reality, we simply don't have the money.

Reply #29 from PolMach Forums Top

Quoting taltamir, reply 3
What we DESPERATELY need is massive spending CUTS. the united states was a shining beacon of technology and freedom, leading the world, with seemingly infiniate resources... the rest of the world cought up... and the united states pertended it didn't and kept extravagantly spending, digging itself deeper and deeper into dept.

We can't keep pretending, but that is exactly what they are doing, they are pretending we have infinite money, and go out and borrow 800 billion and dump it on programs. Those programs happen to be bullshit, but even if they were useful programs than it still should not happen, we SHOULD be cutting useful and NECESSARY programs that we simply cannot AFFORD to balance the budget. Yes it sucks, but thats the reality, we simply don't have the money.
End of taltamir's quote

 

You know damn well that wont happen with the Dems controling all 3 aspects of the gov... in fact be ready for even more spending...

 

Boy and here when I called out BO supportedrs and they were all like " WEEL HE PROMISES TO BALANCE THE BUDGET!!" where did those people go...o thats right... those of us that were not riding his nuts saw though the lies!

 

But as I have said there are some programs that are good things... hence the reason why I am not a true blue Rep... but I will give you that less gov and less spending always helps.