Star Wars Episode III

Revenge of the Sith

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First off let it be known I am unabashedly a geek. I don't try to hide it and I won't beat around the bush about it. So there it is.

I am not a paying member of starwars.com. In fact I haven't visited the site since the hype sessions for Episode I. But I do know they released the teaser trailer for members today, and are going to release it for general viewing next week I believe. However, I also knew that they were going to be showing it tonight during Access Hollywood, so I punished myself by watching that (okay, so I just turned it on, muted it, went about my business until I saw it coming up) so I could catch the trailer.

It looks freaking awesome.

Of course the teaser trailers for Episodes I and II looked awesome as well, and we saw how those turned out. But this one looks cool. Dark, tense, with some very good action in it. While I am not nearly as excited as I was for The Phantom Menace, I admit to still looking forward to Revenge of the Sith. I want to see what becomes of Anakin, Padme, how Palpatine declares himself and takes power, what happens to Dooku (since there can only be two--my guess is Anakin kills him), and the extinction of the Jedi (well, most of them at least).

I sincerely hope that Lucas doesn't try to "kiddiefy" the movie too much. It needs to be dark, and I fear him toning that down so it is kid friendly. But we can only wait and see. I realize a lot of folks have very, very bitter feelings regarding Episodes I and II. I never really understood that. Yes, Lucas made some really bad choices (midichlorians?!?! and Hayden Christensen, well, enough said), but overall I think they are still decent movies. I mean, there is bad dialog and bad acting in the original three as well. Lots of it. I often think the nostalgia factor weighs a little too heavily when it comes to the original three (and yes, I am old enough to have seen The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi in theaters--might have seen the first, just don't remember that!).

One other thing I see getting tossed about is the poor choice in title. Revenge of the Sith. Am I the only one who sees the parallel there? It makes perfect sense to me. Episode VI is Return of the Jedi, which was originally supposed to be Revenge of the Jedi. Lucas decided that Revenge wasn't a very "Jedi-like" thing, so he changes the name. So now we have Revenge of the Sith finishing one trilogy, to be balanced by Return of the Jedi to finish the other. I actually think it is a great title. So while I am not planning on hitting it opening day, or waiting in long lines, I am looking forward to seeing it.

But then again, I am a geek.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
I saw A New Hope in the drive in!!! It was awesome! I can't wait for Episode III to come out! I didn't know it was going to be on Access Hollywood or I would have recorded it with the DVR. I'm really looking forward to seeing the movie. I enjoyed I and II, but I agree that III needs to be less kiddified. Can't wait!
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes, I am not the only one who didn't hate I and II. They had their shortcomings and problems, but I enjoyed them more than a lot of other movies I have seen. Episode III looks to be cool. I am looking forward to seeing the trailer again.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
I honestly only disliked the entirety of "Episode One." I did not see "Episode Two." I don't think I will see "Episode Three." I have not seen either the re-mastered versions of the Holy Trilogy nor the re-re-mastered versions.
The documentary that comes with the newest box set is friggin' shweet, though. I caught it on some cable channel before the set was available, and it really pumped me up for the original trilogy... too bad they won't release that, eh?
In this quite awesome documentary, it mentioned that Lucas had written his story, but that he could only do about the first third of it in one movie. This seems to support that the original trilogy was completely written together, but that there may have been changes to the second and third installments as time went on (eWoks, anyone? As Yogurt might say, "Moychandising!"). However, it does not reflect the *three films* before this story... I really think that the "Episode IV" portion of the film was just to hammer home that the story began "in media res," not that there was truly going to be "prequels" which would be shadows of the previous attempts (even of Star Wars, which many of the actors couldn't even take seriously).
The more paranoid side of me wants to believe that the film was originally aired *without* the "Episode IV: A New Hope" tag, and that was only added later, upon re-release in the theaters (there was a re-release, right? Not the re-mastered version, but one at the ten year anniversary mark? How else do I remember seeing it in the theaters? FMS?), after Empire and Jedi had the V and VI tags, which allow for a "fleshing out of the backstory," aka "whoring our childhoods for profit."
I would like to thank Lucas for making something that was a huge part of my childhood, but I would also like to thank him to leave it alone now. [/geek rant]
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
The more paranoid side of me wants to believe that the film was originally aired *without* the "Episode IV: A New Hope


I honestly can't remember if the tag was there or not (I was six, I think when I saw the movie), but I want to say it was...
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
The more paranoid side of me wants to believe that the film was originally aired *without* the "Episode IV: A New Hope" tag


As far as I know this was always the case. The clone wars, the origin of vader and empire, etc. were all talked about in the original movies and the backstory always existed if only in Lucas's head.

I am also looking forward to ep3. They did do some boneheaded things in the first two, but I maintain that this one HAS to be good just based on what events we know have to happen in between eps two and four. Those are the events I always wanted to hear about in my extensive readings in the star wars universe (I have just admitted I am also a geek )
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
I hated Episode I, but liked Clone Wars. If only Hayden was not such a stiff, the movie would have been perfect. I hope in this one, he has improved. I'm looking forward to how ObiWan escapes, what became of Padme, and how the Skywalker twins were separated.

Pseudosoldier,
>> The more paranoid side of me wants to believe that the film was originally aired *without* the "Episode IV: A New Hope" tag

I always thought the film was originally without the "Episode IV" tag, but "A New Hope" was always there. In the same way, I could've sworn there was no V or VI tags to the other two until much later, although the "Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi" had always been part of the titles.

Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Maybe I am just getting old, yes when the first movie came out I was thirty something (enough said about age), but I remember thinking that the acting in this movie is really bad. However, there was a "but" here, and that was this movie at the time have some of the best special effects to date. Be sides my to pre-teen boys thought it was about the best thing going (until Indy came along). All three of the first movies at some point have some bad acting, however, the story line (though simple) was good, and it allow parents to let there pre-teens, and teens go to a movie without the language problems that were cropping up in movies of that time.
Now the last two episodes in my humble opinion were not as bad as some like to believe. Yes the young Skywalker was a bit of a stiff, and there were times when even some of the big names (which showed up) had some problems (Sam L. Jackson had done better in Jasic Park). But these are highly entertaining movies with a care cut messages: "The good guys always win.".
So, when Espisode III hits the movies I will be there (wheel chair and all). And, the good thing is those two pre-teens who saw the movie with their mother; this thime are taking her. We won't go until about week three, and it will be on a Sunday night around Ten O'clock (there the hinterlands where we live everyone else will be home in bed so it will be easy to get a sit.

Oh, by the way thank you for putting up something other then what happen to Kerry or Bush. It is truly refreshing.

Pam
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
pseudosoldier--I haven't had a chance to see the documentary yet. But I have always thought that there was a lot of disparity floating around when it comes to what was the original story, etc. Rumors of it being 9 films, then 6, or perhaps only 3, who really knows. I sure don't, and I sometimes wonder if Lucas does. Thanks for the comments, I will check out the documentary.

Vecctor--I agree, the very fact of what part of the story Ep III has to tell really makes it necessary that the movie at least have an interesting story. And of course the visual aspect will be great.

Raven--I didn't hate Ep I, but was really bothered by some parts. I agree that Ep II was better, though Hayden bugs me still. Oh well.

Pam--Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments. So glad that someone else thinks that there was some bad acting in the original three as well. I do think the humor in the original worked better, largely in part due to Harrison Ford. I think the prequels, while with their problems, are still fun, visually exciting, decent movies. Thanks again for stopping by.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
I believe that the Title ("A New Hope") was present, but the Label ("Episode IV") was not.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
I have nothing against Hayden Christiansen so much as the dialogue he is supposed to utter. I am really looking forward to the next one, but like others, am not wanting to get my hopes up either. I really want to see Ewan McGregor kick ass, and am waiting to cry when the final scene between Kenobi and Skywalker. I will be lining up for the first showing, and will probably let my girl skip school that afternoon so we can see it during the friday matinee. Now, of course, if there's a midnight showing....
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
I have nothing against Hayden Christiansen so much as the dialogue he is supposed to utter.


I originally thought that as well. Until I watched Attack of the Clones again a week ago. Some of the lines that are supposed to be humorous actually could have been good if they hadn't been delivered so woodenly (thinking specifically of the scene where he gets the speeder to follow Obi Wan and answers the "what took you so long" question). Many of the lines (while not great) had potential had the actor been a little more capable. But I don't hate him, I just don't like him. And I think that is the biggest failure. For us to really appreciate Anakin/Vader I think Lucas needed to make us like Anakin, especially in Ep II. Then his fall would be even more tragic.

I am also looking forward to what I hope will be more "force fights" in this one.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am also looking forward to what I hope will be more "force fights" in this one.


Me too. Who hasn't tried moving an object into their own hand with the power of the Force?
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Who hasn't tried moving an object into their own hand with the power of the Force?


Okay, totally embarrassing, stupid story to tell here.

When I was younger and bored I would some times just lay down on the floor in a room and toss a ball up in the air and catch it. For a long time. Every once in a while I would make an errant throw or a crappy catch and the ball would get away from me. One particular time I was there, on my back, and the ball got away from me, up above my head and beyond the reach of my arms. I was tired and lazy, so I just reached my hands up, closed my eyes and pretended I could move the ball with "The Force". Suddenly there it was, the ball was in my hand I my eyes shot open. I was a little freaked out.

Then I heard my mom giggling. She had crept into the room and rolled the ball into my hands. Crushed my hopes forever.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am also looking forward to what I hope will be more "force fights" in this one.


Me too. Who hasn't tried moving an object into their own hand with the power of the Force?


I try everyday! But, my office mate always introduces me to other people with the tag 'The Force is weak in this one...'.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
'The Force is weak in this one...'.


Sounds like they deserve an atomic wedgie! Oh yessss, revenge of the sith my eye. Revenge of the wedgie.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Suddenly there it was, the ball was in my hand I my eyes shot open. I was a little freaked out.

Then I heard my mom giggling. She had crept into the room and rolled the ball into my hands. Crushed my hopes forever


That's funny! My mom played on my Star Wars addiction when I was a kid. I don't remember the actual dish (some kind of ground beef and cream of mushroom soup mixture), but I do remember hating it. So, my mom turned the tables on me and told me that she got the recipe from the Star Wars cookbook and that the secret ingredient was Jawa Meat. After that, I always ate two helpings! I was a complete Star Wars geek (and I still am today)!
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
the secret ingredient was Jawa Meat. After that, I always ate two helpings!


Thank you for making me spit on my monitor. That was hilarious. Jawa meat. And you actually wanted to eat those cute little, glowing eyed people? Yer sick, ya know? Just sick.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Thank you for making me spit on my monitor. That was hilarious. Jawa meat. And you actually wanted to eat those cute little, glowing eyed people? Yer sick, ya know? Just sick.


Yeah, I really have no idea what was going on with me... I was a weird kid...
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
I was a weird kid.


Was?

I don't know whether I'm relieved or scared that others have the same idea about the "Episode" tags at the beginning of the films. If they weren't there, it makes 1-3 feel even more like a money grab, and the gaffes in them less forgivable (in my eyes). I wish he could leave my childhood mythology alone.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
I was a weird kid.Was?


Well, I'm not a kid anymore... now, I'm a weird guy.

I don't know whether I'm relieved or scared that others have the same idea about the "Episode" tags at the beginning of the films. If they weren't there, it makes 1-3 feel even more like a money grab, and the gaffes in them less forgivable (in my eyes). I wish he could leave my childhood mythology alone.


I know the feeling. I'm still enjoying I-III, but I do wish no matter what the motivation/plan is/was, that George would put more care into making these movies seem more congruous with IV-VI. There was an ebb and flow to the original three movies, but I never felt like they were kiddy-fied. I mean, he had a built in audience for the second set of movies, why not trust them to get their kids into them.

Ewoks were forgivable (barely), but Jar-Jar was just plain out of line.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Ewoks were forgivable (barely), but Jar-Jar was just plain out of line.


I kept waiting for Lucas to allow Jar-Jar to redeem himself. In the final battle, when Jar-Jar was given some power and a chance to actually make a difference, I really, really think Lucas should have at least let Jar-Jar show a little backbone. It wouldn't have fixed much, but would have done at least a little for me.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
I do wish no matter what the motivation/plan is/was, that George would put more care into making these movies seem more congruous with IV-VI.


It also felt (to me) that he betrayed a whole segment of the hardcore fanbase when he ignored what had been done with the storylines since the first trilogy: the novels and the West End Games roleplaying game. These guys worked hand-in-hand in order to put a comprehensive, complete, and unified backstory together that was not self-contradicting. And then Lucas came along and said, "I don't care what kind of a deal you had with my company, whatever you wrote is what you wrote, and won't have any influence on what I write (unless I want to steal a cool idea)."
I understand that he felt that the story was his; it *was* his. But if he felt that way, why would he allow others to add to it, and make it theirs as well? (I think the answer is, again, "money grab." >sigh<) [/bitter disillusioned fan]
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
I have a teaser trailer that calls Ep 3 "Rise of the Empire" not "Revenge of the Sith" -- which is correct, do you know?

The West End games RPG was pretty horrid, though -- the new D20 version is much better.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
I know there was a fan made trailer that called it Rise of the Empire. The one I saw the other night called it Revenge of the Sith, so I am pretty sure that is the official title.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
The West End games RPG was pretty horrid, though -- the new D20 version is much better.


I can't really speak to the system. I only tried to play it once, and that was under a kid who didn't understand the rules for character creation. Not such a good game session. Mostly, I was speaking of how they had fleshed out the game world, working hand in hand with the series editors for the novels that were being pumped out at an alarming rate.
How much additional back story is given in the D20 supplements? Just the stuff taken from the movies (i.e. Lucas canon)?