The End of the Republic, As We Know It » Forum Post by Island Dog

OMG OMG what are we gonna do??!?!?!

LOL.

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ID I think your despairing too much. Sure it will take a big slap in the face to wake a lot of people out of their "yes we can" trance. Unless Obama can get those check in the mail soon, that will be the first group to wake up, the next will be the ones paying for it, and finally his actions in office will jar more. A big helping of reallity can be good for the country in the long run.

How the hell did Murtha get re-elected? He calls his constituents redneck racists and offers a home for terrorists in his district. They deserve what they get. If I were a Marine I'd be embarrassed to have him as a fellow devil dog.

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Quoting Nitro Cruiser,

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ID I think your despairing too much. Sure it will take a big slap in the face to wake a lot of people out of their "yes we can" trance. Unless Obama can get those check in the mail soon, that will be the first group to wake up, the next will be the ones paying for it, and finally his actions in office will jar more. A big helping of reallity can be good for the country in the long run.How the hell did Murtha get re-elected? He calls his constituents redneck racists and offers a home for terrorists in his district. They deserve what they get. If I were a Marine I'd be embarrassed to have him as a fellow devil dog.

He might have worn a marine uniform and at one time WAS a marine and a highly decorated one at that, but he is in no way, shape or form anything like a marine now, and yes I am embarrassed by his behavior.

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Bush ushered a new era of big government, and Obama wants to continue with an even bigger government, taking care of your every need, at least that is what they will tell you.

Republicans who try to be liked always wind up as democrat lites.

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Obama took his first days to make sure islamic terrorists in Gitmo will have the same rights as you and I, and treated nicely, so they can easily go back to committing acts of terrorism

How are they islamic terrorists? If there's proof they are, then would it really be so hard to give them a trail, the same as anyone else? Or is it just that someone thinks they might be, and so wants to keep them locked up just in case?

If you have evidence against them, then give them a (fair) trial. Otherwise deport them (assuming they're not from the US).

They spend all their time whining and blaming Bush for the economy, when in reality, this is something that has been set in motion for many years beyond Bush

That argument just doesn't hold, because bush was in power for 8 years, and so if he really wanted to he could have stopped things or at least not made them so bad. Yes others might be to blame as well, but that doesn't mean Bush is without blame.

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As the ad on this page says, "Who's to blame?" Are we gonna keep playing the blame game, because as you yourself said, "Bush was horrible when it comes to fiscal responsibility, but I don’t believe he actually knew the results of what he was doing." In all fairness which politician ever know what they are doing? It is all a matter of having the right advisors, and taking a chance.

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That argument just doesn't hold, because bush was in power for 8 years, and so if he really wanted to he could have stopped things or at least not made them so bad. Yes others might be to blame as well, but that doesn't mean Bush is without blame.

As has been documented, he tried. but unlike the Grand Duchy of Fenwick, Presidents do not have omnipotent power, so can only do what congress allows them to do. Or not do when the filibuster is used. Yes, the blame starts a lot earlier, and no, Bush was not Grand EMperor regardless of what you choose to believe from the willing bleating of the disgraced media.

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Quoting little-whip,

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The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

Three days in office and the sky is already falling!

Little.... Why do you support BO? Honestly I thought you of all people would be the last to jump on the BO train.....

BTW... Polosi.... and the wacko Lefties new bill SCHIP.... you know the one that is funded by cig tax.... which is already 22+ million smokers short of being fully funded... hows that working..?a;ready broken and it was just put in a few days ago!

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That argument just doesn't hold, because bush was in power for 8 years, and so if he really wanted to he could have stopped things or at least not made them so bad. Yes others might be to blame as well, but that doesn't mean Bush is without blame.

---maudlin27

Bush didn't help, no,; but LW's right; this does go back a lot further than Bush. I mentioned it in my post "On Liberals and Conservatives". Feel free to look it up.

How are they islamic terrorists? If there's proof they are, then would it really be so hard to give them a trail, the same as anyone else? Or is it just that someone thinks they might be, and so wants to keep them locked up just in case?

If you have evidence against them, then give them a (fair) trial. Otherwise deport them (assuming they're not from the US).

--maudlin27

"How are they islamic terrorists"?! Why must you people insist on being so deliberately obtuse?

Well, let's see...I'm assuming that US troops and agents didn't just walk down the street, arresting random Muslims, no matter what lies the paranoid lefties out there try to propagandize.

What is it with you guys and wanting to free people who hate and want to kill you, and destroy your way of life, so that they can go back to actively trying? Lincoln locked up known Confederacy supporters and spies, and held them til the war was over; what's wrong with that? Oh, and guess who opposed him in that, as they did in virtually everything else to do with supporting the war and the Union, including the Emancipation Proclamation?

The Democrats. Their history of treason is long.

When these Islamic terrorists go back to acts of terrorism (as has happened several times before, with released detainees who were later recaptured--or killed--engaging in their activities) and kill more innocent people, will you then be outraged? No. You're too liberal.

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Quoting Rightwinger,

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That argument just doesn't hold, because bush was in power for 8 years, and so if he really wanted to he could have stopped things or at least not made them so bad. Yes others might be to blame as well, but that doesn't mean Bush is without blame.---maudlin27
Bush didn't help, no,; but LW's right; this does go back a lot further than Bush. I mentioned it in my post "On Liberals and Conservatives". Feel free to look it up.

How are they islamic terrorists? If there's proof they are, then would it really be so hard to give them a trail, the same as anyone else? Or is it just that someone thinks they might be, and so wants to keep them locked up just in case?

If you have evidence against them, then give them a (fair) trial. Otherwise deport them (assuming they're not from the US).

--maudlin27
"How are they islamic terrorists"?! Why must you people insist on being so deliberately obtuse?

Well, let's see...I'm assuming that US troops and agents didn't just walk down the street, arresting random Muslims, no matter what lies the paranoid lefties out there try to propagandize.

What is it with you guys and wanting to free people who hate and want to kill you, and destroy your way of life, so that they can go back to actively trying? Lincoln locked up known Confederacy supporters and spies, and held them til the war was over; what's wrong with that? Oh, and guess who opposed him in that, as they did in virtually everything else to do with supporting the war and the Union, including the Emancipation Proclamation?

The Democrats. Their history of treason is long.

When these Islamic terrorists go back to acts of terrorism (as has happened several times before, with released detainees who were later recaptured--or killed--engaging in their activities) and kill more innocent people, will you then be outraged? No. You're too liberal.

Libs dont really care as long as they dont hurt the terrorist feelings... duh

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Quoting watertown1978,

reply 11

Quoting Rightwinger,
reply 10

That argument just doesn't hold, because bush was in power for 8 years, and so if he really wanted to he could have stopped things or at least not made them so bad. Yes others might be to blame as well, but that doesn't mean Bush is without blame.---maudlin27
Bush didn't help, no,; but LW's right; this does go back a lot further than Bush. I mentioned it in my post "On Liberals and Conservatives". Feel free to look it up.

How are they islamic terrorists? If there's proof they are, then would it really be so hard to give them a trail, the same as anyone else? Or is it just that someone thinks they might be, and so wants to keep them locked up just in case?

If you have evidence against them, then give them a (fair) trial. Otherwise deport them (assuming they're not from the US).

--maudlin27
"How are they islamic terrorists"?! Why must you people insist on being so deliberately obtuse?

Well, let's see...I'm assuming that US troops and agents didn't just walk down the street, arresting random Muslims, no matter what lies the paranoid lefties out there try to propagandize.

What is it with you guys and wanting to free people who hate and want to kill you, and destroy your way of life, so that they can go back to actively trying? Lincoln locked up known Confederacy supporters and spies, and held them til the war was over; what's wrong with that? Oh, and guess who opposed him in that, as they did in virtually everything else to do with supporting the war and the Union, including the Emancipation Proclamation?

The Democrats. Their history of treason is long.

When these Islamic terrorists go back to acts of terrorism (as has happened several times before, with released detainees who were later recaptured--or killed--engaging in their activities) and kill more innocent people, will you then be outraged? No. You're too liberal.

Libs dont really care as long as they dont hurt the terrorist feelings... duh

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting; my bad.

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Why must you people insist on being so deliberately obtuse?...What is it with you guys and wanting to free people who hate and want to kill you, and destroy your way of life, so that they can go back to actively trying?

It's obtuse to want even the slightest bit of evidence that these people are in fact terrorists, and haven't been falsely accused?! Meanwhile your blind faith that there are never miscarriages of justice, and that all of the people detained will have been detained for good reason is ridiculously naive. Some of them probably are detained for good reason. Certainly not all though, and to believe otherwise is just fooling yourself.

Just ask anyone who's been falsely accused of a crime and arrested by the police whether they have 100% trust in the police (and any other law enforcement or military organisation). That's why making sure people are entitled to a fair trail is essential. Here's what isn't a fair trial: If the police arrested you, then a group of officers decided that yes you were guilty of the crime they arrested you for, and they kept you locked up in a jail.

But who cares if innocent people get locked up right? I mean so long as it's not you or anyone you know...

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Now it’s no secret that Obama supporters for the most part are clueless when it comes to economics, and anything else associated with common sense.

What a statement !!!!!

It flies in the face of the economic policies and common sense followed over the past 28 years .....

in three conservative GOP administartions with voodoo economics and trickle-down theory we achieved marvelous goals like the deindustrialization of the great manufacturing machine and reducing it to a great consuming monster, expanding the Nation's deficits to great hights and cherished disrespect of the whole world.

and in a lonely One liberal Dem's administeration we achieved a miserable economic expansion, terrible surplus, boring peace, and meaningless world-wide respect and friendships.

I don't know why anyone would want to go back to that again !!!

you are right ....

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Daiwa

Join Date 07/2001

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It flies in the face of the economic policies and common sense followed over the past 28 years .....

Actually, I believe we are seeing the culmination of misguided and ultimately fatal policies that began more than eighty years ago. Roosevelt's bunch didn't have a clue what might work to end the depression so they threw everything but the kitchen sink at it for nearly a decade without making a dent in it. World War II bootstrapped us out of it & the New Deal took the credit, even though nothing about the New Deal did squat to get us back on our feet. The expansion of governmental intrusion into and control of our lives that really picked up steam with the Great Society, accompanied by the philosophy that the government knows best what is 'good' for us, has finally collapsed in on itself.

Where's a good war when you need it. BO's bunch doesn't have a clue what will work, either, so they're doing the same thing, this time with the added potential prize of a permanently subsidized/bribed majority of the electorate.

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Island Dog

Join Date 06/2003

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and in a lonely One liberal Dem's administeration we achieved a miserable economic expansion, terrible surplus, boring peace, and meaningless world-wide respect and friendships.

Sorry, but you are full of it. I guess by "boring peace" you forget about the first WTC attack, Kobar Towers, USS Cole, etc. But then again, if you can't blame Bush then they never happened, right?

Don't you just love how you liberals worry so much about what the world thinks of you. Here's a secret, they don't give a rats behind about you.

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Island Dog

Join Date 06/2003

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I'm still waiting for a good response to Obama's trillion dollar stimulus that even his own people can't account for.

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IslandDog writes:

It’s only been a couple of days since Obama was sworn in, and in that short period of time we already get a good sense of how far left this country is headed.

For sure....there are reasons why the far Left is in worship mode.....He's coming through for them not only on the fiscal side, but also on the social side as well....You've already mentioned hate crimes for saying anything even perceived as against homosexuals or homosexuality.

He's also a liar. For example, he campaigned on the promise that he would look at every item of federal spending and remove from the budget all pork-barrel items.

And he said that he would support policies to reduce abortions, but yesterday, with his signing an executive order to lift the Mexico City policy, that prohibits taxpayer funds from going to organizations that promote or perform abortions overseas, "he is effectively guaranteeing more abortions by funding groups that promote abortion as a method of population control," so said Douglas Johnson, legislative director of the National Right to Life Committee.

Planned Parenthood International has reported that under the Bush administration, they lost more than $100 million in funding. Isn't a bailout of the abortion industry when it targets unborn babies in Third World countries an expenditure?

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The End of the Republic, As We Know It

As to your title, this is absolutely true unless "We the people" come to our senses VERY SOON. We are living in times when the government is providing the solutions to society's problems.

It could be that too many of us really don't know what a Republic is....or may have forgotten what we once learned...or worse, were never taught at all!

You might find this link interesting: It amounts to a Government 101 course in a few minutes.

Please watch: http://www.wimp.com/thegovernment/

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Sorry, but you are full of it. I guess by "boring peace" you forget about the first WTC attack, Kobar Towers, USS Cole, etc. But then again, if you can't blame Bush then they never happened, right?

That's right ID, you hit that nail on the head. The liberals refused to acknowledge that Al Quaida had declared war on the US. A few ineffectual cruise missile strikes, then forget about it. That is why 9/11 occurred. If you don't swat a mosquito it will bite you. The example you quote is common perception of the Clinton years by liberals.

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Actually, I believe we are seeing the culmination of misguided and ultimately fatal policies that began more than eighty years ago. Roosevelt's bunch didn't have a clue what might work to end the depression so they threw everything but the kitchen sink at it for nearly a decade without making a dent in it. World War II bootstrapped us out of it & the New Deal took the credit, even though nothing about the New Deal did squat to get us back on our feet. The expansion of governmental intrusion into and control of our lives that really picked up steam with the Great Society, accompanied by the philosophy that the government knows best what is 'good' for us, has finally collapsed in on itself.

---Daiwa

This is true. Modern economists now say that Roosevelt's policies may actually have made things worse; what could have been an 18-month recession was jacked into a 10-year depression.

Of course, it (and the war, of course) got him elected 4 times.....that's what matters most.

See, liberals lack the gene that enables them to see/understand long-term. They don't grasp that the simple act of signing a policy into law isn't a magic trick, with instantaneous results. They don't understand that things, especially economic policies, can take time to show results. Unless it was signed by a liberal President, of course, then it doesn't matter how long it takes or what happens, it was the right thing to do. And if it fails, it's because of the Republicans.

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See, liberals lack the gene that enables them to see/understand long-term.

It is not a gene, it is neuron. And they lack plenty of them.

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It is not a gene, it is neuron. And they lack plenty of them.

"It isn't that liberals are ignorant....it's just that they know so much that isn't so."---Ronald Reagan.

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