Obama jealousy is so hot right now

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There seems to be a bit of a jealous streak running through the JU commentary on Obama these past few days. What's up with it?

The man is clearly clever. He has an Ivy League education. He rose to the top of a political institution. He writes good speeches and hires good speechwriters. He has a good understanding of technology and hires people capable of using it for fun and profit.

The man is clearly athletically gifted. He plays basketball frequently and is probably the fittest (both in the British and generic sense of the word) president in a long time. Speaking of the British sense, he has a hot wife and (unsurprisingly) a ready smile. Many men and women either want him or want to be him.

The man is clearly charismatic. Many of his followers seem to think he's the second coming of Jesus. His religious detractors consider him so charming that not only will he bring peace to the world, but armageddon too.

He speaks of hope, of dreams found and lives made meaningful again without the fear and drudgery of the past, and he does it with all the force of narrative causality.

It's normal to be jealous of this kind of man - rich, successful, charming, canny, the kind of man who speaks as if he thinks you can achieve your dreams and, more than that, wants you to.

But really, you're not doing yourself any favours by slagging him off mere days after he was inaugurated. With a bit of patience, you could do the nasty when he's fucked up, and crowing about it could be read by the kind as just a slightly enthusiastic taking to task rather than jealousy of Michelle.

In short, he may well be better than you in every way the public considers important. Get over it. You have many fine qualities which both differentiate yourself from a popular icon and give you an edge in your specialities. I might even like you.

Just sit back, and wait for the bad things to happen before you go in with both fists swinging. You never know. Maybe Obama will save you. It's not like you've got anyone else to fall back on if he can't.

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Reply #1 from Stardock Forums Top

Just sit back, and wait for the bad things to happen before you go in with both fists swinging. You never know. Maybe Obama will save you. It's not like you've got anyone else to fall back on if he can't.
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Oh, I didn't know the chosen one had the power to "save" us.

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top

Oh, I didn't know the chosen one had the power to "save" us.
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I doubt he does. But he might. Two days in it's a little hard to tell just yet. The problem with mounting a successful assault on the worthiness of hope is that it's such an essentially positive human emotion.

You're much better off waiting until Obama's policies have proven themselves to be cynical, rather than striking now when they're still so tied up with hope.

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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top

Ivy League?  Seems the last several presidents have that claim.

Writes speeches?  And you have proof of that (versus hiring good speech writers?)

Bottom line, I dont see a lot of jealousy.  ANimosity perhaps.  Contempt Perhaps.  But as far as I know, there are no former presidential candidates blogging at JU.

He has yet to show any brilliance.  He has an opportunistic resume aimed at one thing - where he is.  That shows tenacity and cleverness, but not brilliance.

Reply #4 from Stardock Forums Top

First let me say I do not envy President Obama. I, personally, would not want the responsibilities he currently has as President of the US or the problems he inherited for that matter. I do not envy his financial situation either. If I even found myself having as much money as he does (or close) I would probably be happy to be able to buy what ever I wanted (well almost what ever) but at the same time I have seen what having lots of money also means and am not too sure being a millionaire is something I want to be. I would be happy with making just enough to have my needs in place and enough for some wants. I don't need a million dollar house or a 2010 Ferrari.

Regardless what you want to say about Obama, he is no better or worse than me. As far as the Costitution goes we are Equals. Obama is not my savior and I don't expect him to be cause unlike you, I expect myself to be responsible for saving myself and those I am responsible for (such as my chidlren).

You're much better off waiting until Obama's policies have proven themselves to be cynical, rather than striking now when they're still so tied up with hope.
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Ever heard of "better safe than sorry"? Obama is not testing a new startegy, he is considering policies that have been proven to be bad in certain situations. You concept is very interesting. lets wait for disaster to happen before we do something about it to prevent it, right?

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

I really enjoy how Obama people go around using the word "hope".  If you rely on a politician from Chicago to give you "hope", you are truely pathetic.

Reply #6 from Stardock Forums Top

Jealous?  Us?  Just because we're not on board with him that makes us jealous?  Do you know the definition of jealousy? 

How about fearful?  Troubled?  Watchful? Unhappy?  Those are the descriptions I hear most often. 

In fact when I ask people what they think of Obama the #1 comment I hear most often is:

"Obama scares me." 

I have yet to see this brilliance you speak of.  How did he do on his test scores?  Do you know what his collgege thesis was on?    Where is his family? Those that are still alive that is.  Why are they trying to disassociate with him?  Do you know about his half brother in  Southern China?  His name is Mark Ndesandjo and has purposely kept it a secret that he's related to Obama?   Why is that? 

Too many unanswered questions for me.   

Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quite the contrary - what I've noticed is an extraordinarily arrogant streak among the Obama supporters.  The dude hasn't achieved diddly squat except get elected and he's the Black Lincoln already.  Oprah can afford her tears of joy; the rest of us may have a tougher time paying for them.

Reply #9 from Stardock Forums Top

Lack of experience?  I dunno call me crazy but I think this is important.

Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top

Besides, dissent is our patriotic duty, right?  You've (the left) been telling us that for 8 years now.

Reply #11 from Stardock Forums Top

Cacto- I hear you. Obama could turn out to be great or rotten, it's simply too early to tell. As I was saying on another thread I was very pro-Bush during the 1st year and a bit  he was in office,  however once I saw the results of his actions and style of leadership I soured on him (and his brand of conservative politics) big time.

Again, the proof will be in the pudding- let's see the results of Obama's actions and then pass judgement.

Hanging on every little thing he does under a microscope right now is actually pretty funny- just think the field day folks would have if he was even 1/10 as bad as Bush was with his speeches-

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

and this gem-

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

I'd love to see the reaction from all the grumpy pants on here if Obama said anything even close to the above!

Reply #12 from PolMach Forums Top

Hanging on every little thing he does under a microscope right now is actually pretty funny
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Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'd love to see the reaction from all the grumpy pants on here if Obama said anything even close to the above!
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You mean like 57 states?  Things like that?  BO can be pretty funny without a teleprompter or when off script.  Plenty of YouTube clips out there from the campaign.  They just weren't afforded the same significance as George's malapropisms - for George, they were confirmation of stupidity (never mind he was the most evil genius ever when that claim was useful); for BO, they were just harmless or fatigue-related and entirely forgivable flubs, endearing reminders of his common humanity.

Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top

I'd love to see the reaction from all the grumpy pants on here if Obama said anything even close to the above!
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well let's just start with the oath of office shall we?  To my knowledge none of us "grumpy pants" have even mentioned that. 

Who doesn't make mistakes especially with the amount of speeches made like they have to give?  It doesn't matter if the President is a smooth talker if he can't keep us safe.  Words mean nothing if there is no action to back them up with.  Bush kept us safe.  Let's see if Obama, the smooth talker can keep us safe. 

The media is in LOVE with Obama and Michelle.  We all know how love is blind don't we? 

There's nothing they can do wrong as far as the media are concerned.   Remember the flap about Sarah and her clothing style and pricing?   The media did a number on her.  Why?  Because she was perceived as a real threat and her party affiliation did not match that of the liberal media. 

 Now compare the criticism of Sarah to all we heard the last few days about Michelle and her designer clothes. 

That's just the tip of the iceburg. 

 

Reply #15 from Stardock Forums Top

I for one person am willing to give Obama a change and see what he does, before cheering or booing, I think everyone should thinks in the same manner.

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top

awesome clip Kryo.  Loved it!  :thumbsup:

Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

I for one person am willing to give Obama a change and see what he does, before cheering or booing, I think everyone should thinks in the same manner.
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I'm all for it, but the truth is President Obama has already made some interesting choices that the Media has not really been pounding on. Take the Secretary of Treasury pick. The guys failed to pay for 4 years, claiming he should have paid attention more to what he was signing. Funny when he claims to have used a computer program the first 2 years than a a professional to do his taxes and , well what a coincidence, they both failed, not once but twice each. BTW, did I mention this is the same guy who will be controling (or something like that) the IRS? I wonder what would have happend to those $34,000 had no one found out about it?

Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

I really enjoy how Obama people go around using the word "hope".  If you rely on a politician from Chicago to give you "hope", you are truely pathetic.
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The previous president told the world it should cower in fear, that terrorists were everywhere. I like seeing a politician appealing to the better nature of people. It's a refreshing change. His background is utterly irrelevant to that.

In fact when I ask people what they think of Obama the #1 comment I hear most often is:

"Obama scares me."

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Considering how badly McCain lost, you must have a very limited circle of friends. You need to get out more - befriend some Obamanists and get a feel for them beyond the politics. It won't condemn you to hell if you know some atheists/non-practising folk.

Quite the contrary - what I've noticed is an extraordinarily arrogant streak among the Obama supporters.  The dude hasn't achieved diddly squat except get elected and he's the Black Lincoln already.  Oprah can afford her tears of joy; the rest of us may have a tougher time paying for them.
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The confidence he's bringing is important. The current financial crisis is still a crisis of confidence; if the Obama messiah complex can cause people to consider it over, the US economy would be restored. Modern economics is built on faith, and Obama seems to inspire it in spades. That's a useful ability right now. What he will use it for is another question.

Again, the proof will be in the pudding- let's see the results of Obama's actions and then pass judgement.
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Exactly.

On the Bush/Obama speech mistakes thing - I suspect Bush stands out more because he's Texan, and much of the world considers that accent to be innately tied to bucolic stupidity. When Bush mispoke he merely reinforced an existing perception and stereotype. The Chicago accent is more of a northern one, which doesn't have the stigma of obnoxious New Yorker or idiot southerner.

Of course, this isn't an area of sociolinguistics I'm particularly familiar with, so I could be completely wrong.

I for one person am willing to give Obama a change and see what he does, before cheering or booing, I think everyone should thinks in the same manner.
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Good on you Modman.

Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top

Considering how badly McCain lost
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Short memory, apparently.  He hardly lost 'badly' my friend.

you must have a very limited circle of friends.
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Yeah, 58 million friends just ain't what it used to be.

Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top

You need to get out more - befriend some Obamanists and get a feel for them beyond the politics.
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not exactly, even my grandmother who is a die hard Dem voted for Obama but doesn't like him.  She actually thinks he could be the Anti-Christ.  When I asked her why she voted for him she says she didn't really.  She just voted straight Democratic Ticket.....so not so much for him but for the ticket. 

Considering how badly McCain lost

Short memory, apparently. He hardly lost 'badly' my friend.
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Exactly.  I saw a post election map marked county by county across the U.S. and by looking at it there was much more red than blue.   If someone from Mars were to look down and make a prediction looking at the very red map they would have been quite surprised to see an Obama win. 

 

Reply #21 from Stardock Forums Top

Wow Cacto your article sounds like most of the "objective, unbiased" media here in the US. I think if Obama asked the press corp for a hummer, most of them would be fighting each other to see who could get his zipper down first.

No person on earth gets my support with campaign promises and speeches. I never understood the idol mentality in the sense of people fainting around pop stars, or actors.  My father is my hero along with a few select people I've met along the way. If Obama has you creaming your jeans, that's wonderful. It take more than what I've seen so far to impress me.

Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top

Give the Daily Show credit - Bushwhackers to Obamawhackers overnite.  Great bit.  Thanks, kryo.

Reply #23 from Stardock Forums Top

You guys really need to get out more and see what the people in our country are going through.  If they see Obama as the person who can gontinue to give them the hope that they are looking for and telling them positively that their lives doesn't end despite what so many are going through, who are you to come in with your pessimistic outlook and tell them otherwise?  Let us not forget how many detractors President Bush had in the beginning, and yet they gave him a chance to see what he would and could do, and of course he proved some right because he messed up in some ways.  Im sure you will all be crowing when Obama messes up, no one is perfect, so give Cacto props he wrote a really great article :thumbsup:   for being an outsider looking in and telling it with a dose of reality!

Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top

Short memory, apparently.  He hardly lost 'badly' my friend.
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I don't recall a recount, or it being decided in the courts. In terms of recent US presidential elections, it was practically a landslide. But yes, in more normal terms it wasn't so much a bad loss as a convincing one.

Yeah, 58 million friends just ain't what it used to be.
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Oh come on. You can't seriously tell me that you don't count among your friends people whose politics wildly differ from your own, including a couple who might support Obama. If everyone you know is 'scared' of Obama, you need more friends. I'd like to think my friends don't share a single emotional response to any issue, let alone elections.

If someone from Mars were to look down and make a prediction looking at the very red map they would have been quite surprised to see an Obama win.
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Well yes, but I imagine they would be even more surprised to see that Earthlings had made northern America viewable as a political map from space.

No person on earth gets my support with campaign promises and speeches. I never understood the idol mentality in the sense of people fainting around pop stars, or actors.  My father is my hero along with a few select people I've met along the way. If Obama has you creaming your jeans, that's wonderful. It take more than what I've seen so far to impress me.
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Wonderful. Your dad makes you cream your jeans. Incest is one of many, many topics I have no desire to get google search referrals from. So bugger off.

If they see Obama as the person who can gontinue to give them the hope that they are looking for and telling them positively that their lives doesn't end despite what so many are going through, who are you to come in with your pessimistic outlook and tell them otherwise?
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Exactly. Hope is the cheapest upper around. I wish I had more of it.

Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top

BO can be pretty funny without a teleprompter or when off script.
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Funny?  Ummm, uhhh, ahhh, umm, ahh, uhh, umm, uhh, ahh, uhh, ahh, ummm.......

That is funny?

I don't recall a recount, or it being decided in the courts
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But you recall one in 04?  Or are you just a Gorite?  I dont recall one in 64 (big), 68, 72 (that one was huge), 76, 80 (another landslide electorally), 84 (huge), 88, 92, or 96.  I would say you have a very limited memory.  I cant say I remember any before 64, as I was too young or not born.