Benefits of a Kerry Victory

I won't move to Canada even if Kerry wins.

from JoeUser Forums

I'm afraid John F. Kerry will win the presidential election tomorrow. However, even the victory of a terrible candidate brings with it benefits to the nation, so if he wins tomorrow night, I won't kill myself or move to Canada as Democrat threaten to do if Bush wins again. Instead, I'll swear for a few minutes and then laugh it off as I acknowledge the positive aspects of a Kerry victory:

  1. The populace will no longer see Heinz Corporation as a ketchup company, but as a corrupt multinational corporation stealing resources from third world countries.
  2. The euphoria of the Democrats will fade and give way to the biggest disillusionment ever to suffer the Democrat Party, parallel with the shame a girl would feel with sleeping with a creep to make her ex-boyfriend jealous.
  3. Whiney Democrats won't have excuses to bitch anymore.
  4. A Republican victory will be inevitable in 2008.
  5. Michael Moore will fade into obscurity.

It is possible the next four years will turn out well, but it won't be because of Kerry, who intends to damage the nation with his idiotic plans, such as reviving the economy with a tax increase (Although Democrats believe that more taxes lead to a stronger economy, citing Clinton's success, they completely fail to acknowledge the dot-com boom of the nineties because they either failed Economics in high school were baked then).

If Kerry wins, I'll accept it and not demand infinite recounts twisted to my favor, because besides ethics, I'll know he won't win another election, unless the Republican Party goes Democrat and elects some terrible Kerry-like candidate for 2008 since Republicans aren't as likely to settle with the lesser of two evils as Democrats are due to their higher standards and realization that the President doesn't have control over the entire nation.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
The euphoria of the Democrats will fade and give way to the biggest disillusionment ever to suffer the Democrat Party, parallel with the shame a girl would feel with sleeping with a creep to make her ex-boyfriend jealous.


Gotta love that one.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #2 from PolMach Forums Top
Actully, according to IMDB, Mikey Moore is already working on next movie. *shudder*
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
I somehow doubt that Moore would fade into obscurity. He has expressed a lot of dissatisfaction with the Democrats. I think we would see Moore turn to arguing in favour of a turn away from the two horse race.

I do not however at al agree that Kerry will win. Australia's polls said the Libs and Labor were 50/50 and that turned out to be so far from the mark it's depressing. Bush will romp home as all conservative Governments who go to war do. In spite of hatred towards Margaret Thatcher, she went to war and in an instant secured her longevity as PM of Britain. Bush has done the same. People will protest the war as much as they like, but they still see war as a strength. It is a strange and stupid aspect of many voters. They forget that if Bush weren't President in the first place there wouldn't be a war, and without Bush winning, there won't be another silly war launched.
Reply #4 from PolMach Forums Top
Psh, and there would be more attacks on this country, especally if Kerry gets elected. It was because of how Clinton delt with the terrorist that resulted in 9/11, and if Bush hadn't won the election, I could personally imagine more and more attacks happening.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Messy Buu:

Just for the record, let's say Kerry wins, the deficit drops and we get back on an even keel with employment rising and healthcare dealt with so that the number of uninsured Americans drops in half.

Would you then vote for Kerry in 2008? I'm not saying that all these things are guaranteed, but those would be goals if Kerry is reelected.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
The inevitable result of Kerry's tax increases, mandatory student service (draft) and health policies would be rationaing of health care, increased unemployment, increased deficits and lower economic growth. Add to this the impact of allowing the UN to dictate our policies on the environment and timidity in foreign affairs, and it'll be Jimmy Carter all over again. I see 7 to 8% unemployment under a Kerry administration.

I pledge, if Kerry is elected, to hold his feet to the fire, criticize his every move, and give him 4 years of the hell that the left has unleashed on Bush.
Reply #7 from PolMach Forums Top
VOx Populi---right on, i'm with you.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am not an American but I can't imagine anyone voting for G. Bush. You americans don't realize what damage he has brought on your people for which you will be paying for a long time to come. I am not a muslim fundamentalist, I don't even like them, but I'm sorry to say that Bush has with his imbecility has stirred a hornets nest without having any knowledge of international knowledge. I feel USA needs not a politician as its President but a statesman who can lead them along.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Vox Populi:

When Clinton was elected all I heard was your rhetoric. However, I don't remember that 8 years later when we had the best economy in history and a surplus hearing the right singing his praises. I assume after giving Mr. Kerry hot feet you wouldn't be afraid to admit you were wrong, would you?
Reply #10 from PolMach Forums Top
However, I don't remember that 8 years later when we had the best economy in history and a surplus hearing the right singing his praises.


I call BULLSHIT!! The initial boom for Clinton came from the last economic policies George HW Bush enacted and the dot.com bubble plus a FISCALLY responsible Republican House and Senate. Go crawl back in a hole again, CrispE, so if Kerry becomes President you can hide from the truth!!

BS PLINKO!!
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Grim:

Oh right.... Clinton "inherits" a 400 billion dollar deficit projection for 1993 and YOU think that was a "boon"? Or do you remember what people said when Clinton got tax increases in 1993? The right claimed we would have the biggest depression in history, calling it a total dismantling of the Reagan years.

But, oh yes, we came outin 2000 with a BETTER economy than 1992 and a surplus. Now Grim, which part of 1995-2000 do you think George Bush deserves total credit for?

Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
I'm an American and I disagree with your foreign opinion...like it or not. The reputation of the United States of America has not been damaged by Bush, no one man can damage something so great and something as large as this nation.


You sir, need to get out more often. First time I was in France, I was welcomed into peoples(strangers) homes. Last time only my actuall friends didn't look at me like I was a zit.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
CrispE
Just for the record, let's say Kerry wins, the deficit drops and we get back on an even keel with employment rising and healthcare dealt with so that the number of uninsured Americans drops in half.


The deficit will drop, since Congress will still be republican. Health care will not change, since it is not a crises now (Course 101: How to make stats lie for you). And Kerry will drag us down as he is a complete and utter buffoon when it comes to governance.

But good hypothetical question, even if a snowball has a better chance in hell.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am not an American but I can't imagine anyone voting for G. Bush. You americans don't realize what damage he has brought on your people for which you will be paying for a long time to come. I am not a muslim fundamentalist, I don't even like them, but I'm sorry to say that Bush has with his imbecility has stirred a hornets nest without having any knowledge of international knowledge. I feel USA needs not a politician as its President but a statesman who can lead them along.

Your ignorance of Bush is overwhelming, and is the reason most of us dont give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks of us. If the UN was not such a corrupt incompetant organization, we would not need to smack the bullies down. They would do it. But you will just bitch and moan, and complain, and not do anything, but slam those who do.

Let me Guess: Neville Chamberlain is your hero right?
Reply #15 from PolMach Forums Top
Oh right.... Clinton "inherits" a 400 billion dollar deficit projection for 1993 and YOU think that was a "boon"? Or do you remember what people said when Clinton got tax increases in 1993? The right claimed we would have the biggest depression in history, calling it a total dismantling of the Reagan years.

But, oh yes, we came outin 2000 with a BETTER economy than 1992 and a surplus. Now Grim, which part of 1995-2000 do you think George Bush deserves total credit for?


I dislike the fact that the Fiscally responsible Republicans became Fiscally irresponsible after 9/11/2001 and that is what has shooed me off from the party, that and the fact they have started to embrace the Christian agenda...HELLO, Freaking Occultist here, we put up with more religious intolerance than other religions.

Clinton DID NOT, I reiterate again DID NOT make the economy or break the economy, the Federal Reserve has more power than a President over the economy and thought you as an educated individual would know that, I thought wrong. Surplus, seriously CrispE you do know they were "projected" surpluses not "actual" surpluses and it was caused by Congress more than the President sitting in that office and even today Congress causes the deficit or surplus BECAUSE THEY MAKE THE BUDGET.

Seriously, CrispE I consider you an informed individual but on this situation I don't know what happened. I don't believe the deficit will drop with either Bush or Kerry because of Congress, main reason Badnarik has on his website: See Bush Spend, Spend Bush Spend! See Kerry Spend, Spend Kerry Spend!!

FORCEFUL Plinko!!
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am sure you don't have to care a rats ass about what non americansthink. I do agree. But whAT I suggest is that b'cos of bush's foreign policy you people willnever againbe able to sleepinpeace
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am sure you don't have to care a rats ass about what non americansthink. I do agree. But whAT I suggest is that b'cos of bush's foreign policy you people willnever againbe able to sleepinpeace
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
joe_black & Helix the II:

I am an American, and I completely agree with joe_black's 'foreign' opinion. Does anyone else remember the days after 9/11, when the whole world stood with our nation? Now look around the world: we are reviled by many, and disrespected and distrusted by even our closest allies. Our country created a legacy after WWII - a legacy of relying on law instead of revenge. That legacy has been destroyed by Bush and his go-it-alone policies that break the very laws our nation helped create.

I am a proud and patriotic American, and I am deeply ashamed of the actions taken by this "president". All I can hope for today is a huge turnout that leads to a landslide victory for Kerry. Hopefully, this will be our first move as Americans to humbly ask joe_black and others to welcome our country back into the community of nations.
Reply #19 from PolMach Forums Top
againbe able to sleepinpeace


Funny, I sleep peaceful all the time.

No Fear of Death or anyone Plinko!!
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top

You sir, need to get out more often. First time I was in France, I was welcomed into peoples(strangers) homes. Last time only my actuall friends didn't look at me like I was a zit.

French opinion matters to me just a bit more than Bin Laden's opinion. In other words, not much.

Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Grim:

All I'm asking for is a "wait and see" rather than "shoot now and ask questions later" attitude. We aren't through the election, have no winner and still, people are already building the new walls around their beliefs. Was Clinton the ONLY reason the 90's were good? Of course not. But give him SOME credit. He worked well with both parties. Is that something evil? He certainly didn't ADD to the deficit and we were better off in 2000 than in 1992. That says that Clinton did at least something right. But you said that was BULLSHIT!

Well, I made a ton of money in the 90's and while I am doing ok now, I'd prefer the Clinton economic team over the Bush team 8 days a week! If you were honest, so would you.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
As I said I amnot an American hell I'm not even a white, But I have always dreamt of coming one day to USA. My dad had worked in Berkley University as a scientist for a year and he always drilled into me that it's the place for liberty and freedom and for people who want to do something with thier life. But the US I see now is vastly different thanx to Bush. When he starts acting like barbarians as like al-quaeda as in keeping prisoners in Guantanomo Bay and invading Iraq..... Let me ask you mate supposing US was ruled by a dictator and suddenly Germany or France invades ur country to free you people of him will you tolerate an foreign invasion? Bush talks of freedomfor Iraqis and in the same breath talks of imprisoning people without trials, Does not that look uncouthed and barbaric? Of all the people in this world US was the last country expected to act like this. I say this again Bush might be a good human being but he does not know shit about running a superpower, better he remains a local sheriff in Texas and give him a gun pleaseeeeeeeeeee.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
First, Kerry will not pass tax increases or new spending as you claim. It is the Congress not the President who makes the laws in our country. The Republicans will not be able to make the tax cuts on he wealthy perminent which will help us move closer to a balanced budget since the GOP will not let Kerry spend this money. If the power remains split as 2011 comes closer, both sides will be required to compermise or the tax rates (all of them) will return to the rate of the 1990's.

The mess Bush created in Iraq will not be much better no matter who is president. All we can hope is that next time we make sure we attack the enemy that is where the danger is not where the president wants to start a war.

I am a moderate Republican for over 40 years and know Bush is about the worst president we have had in my life. Bush has not done the job with the economy, taxes, energy, health care or with the Iraq War. Why would anyone keep someone on the job if they failed to do it properly!
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top

Kerry, who intends to damage the nation with his idiotic plans

based on the content of nearly every article and comment youve offered over the past six months, i would have concluded you were the very antithesis of partisan foolishness for its own sake, especially when vinted from sour grapes and distilled into vitriolic excess.   considering the title, was my expectation of something along the lines of 'once it's over, malice towards none etc., we're all federalists etc., united we stand, etc.' in error because im asking too much or youre delivering too little?

Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #8 By: joe_black - 11/2/2004 10:58:31 AM
I am not an American but I can't imagine anyone voting for G. Bush. You americans don't realize what damage he has brought on your people for which you will be paying for a long time to come


And as a non-american you have no idea of the *sh*t* storm Kerry would unleash on us AND the rest of the world.