Obama: Lets See the Certificate

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Obama: Lets See the Certificate

Over the past couple of months, there has been quite a bit of speculation that Obama’s birth certificate holds a secret, one of which that he is not a natural born citizen therefore not eligible to be President of the United States. Several petitions have been filed, and the SCOTUS has review and denied most that have come in. I’m not really sure what to believe, as I have haven’t seen evidence either way to indicate whether Obama is or isn’t qualified to be President.

However, the thing that bothers me the most is Obama will not open the sealed document to put this matter to rest. If he is about “change”, and so-called “open government” then he should have no problem releasing these documents and putting an end to the speculation. But he doesn’t.

The Kenyan government has also put in place a gag order silencing Obama’s extended family from talking to the media about Obama. Why? Is it too much to ask for the American public to have the ability to ensure that the person who will run our country is completely eligible?

Is there anyone who objects to Obama having to show his eligibility to be President?

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Quoting lulapilgrim,

reply 101

Quoting TheFunkMaster, reply 97Anyone who actually believes this story is plainly living in a little world of their own construction,

Not really. Put the question of his birth place together with other "alleged" charges against him and any reasonable person will wonder.

Click here: OBAMA BANNED THIS VIDEO - GEE, I WONDER WHY!.flv - YouTube

The issue has not been legitimately resolved because Obama was never seriously vetted, not by the media and not investigated by Congress.

HAHAHAHA...*snort*...HAHAHA...stop it...you're killing me! I particularly like the link in the middle of your reply that reads like a conspiracy site banner ad. Banned it how? Did he get his Tzar of Banning Stuff to send their shock-troopers to everybody but forgot YouTube? Hahaha..I bet Pres. Obama is like REALLY pissed at that guy right now! Look,I could go on...at length...but seriously, I might pee on myself I don't just go ahead and post this now.

Watch it YouTube, the President might send Seal Team Six after your ass!

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So you've seen the supposed college records of this president who promised to be transparent?

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It's funny how when people don't like a sitting president, they try to convince themselves the person's not eligible with these loony theories instead of just accepting it.

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I don't know whether he's proved it or not. If he hasn't, he should have to. But I would be very surprised to find that someone could run for President and be ineligible. How did he get on each state's ballot?

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Quoting Mezase_Master,

reply 103

It's funny how when people don't like a sitting president, they try to convince themselves the person's not eligible with these loony theories instead of just accepting it.

It's not funny.

It's also not a matter of liking or disliking Obama.

Rather it's a matter of the abiding by the qualifying rules and regulations for being president which are that he/she must be a native born citizen and a resident of the USA for 14 years.

Whether you like it or not, no one seems to know for sure that he is a native born citizen. His relatives in Kenya claim he was born there. The point is serious, legitimate questions still remain.

Why should anyone "just accept it"?

It's not funny if the truth matters.

Quoting Jythier,

reply 104

How did he get on each state's ballot?

Obama may have a hard time getting on Arizona's ballot.

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That's a fine question Jythier. Hey, do you think they check for proof of citizenship when you run for Congress? You're damn skippy they do. But I've decided to have fun with it, just like with the 911 Truthers. Some of their claims were pretty outlandish too. But for as long as suckers buy the books and conference tickets then someone is gonna keep dishing it out, and you gotta admit the nutjob predators out there have come up with some really complicated stuff this time. You pretty much HAVE to buy their book if you want to have a chance of following it all.

Remember the good old days when the theories were a lot simpler? A couple grainy photographs and a 10 page poorly-photocopied manifesto...ah, simpler times.

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Quoting TheFunkMaster,

reply 106

But I've decided to have fun with it,

Me too.

Here Obama speaks of the country of his birth....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5zvGF6u9g&feature=related

And Michelle admits Kenya is Obama's "home country"....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=6M7Rp_Ghv6k&NR=1

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Quoting TheFunkMaster,

reply 106

poorly-photocopied manifesto...ah, simpler times.

Ya, in simpler times, one produced a genuine birth certificate that is if one actually has a genuine birth certificate.

But experts are putting their reputation on the line and saying Obama's was a computer generated birth certificate.

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Oh, and I'll bet these experts are the best and brightest too. Look, many first and second generation Americans talk about their family's country of origin as their "home country". Saying things like "place where my father and/or mother was born" get to be tedious I expect. I bet they both regret using that little bit of shorthand. But do you really think that someone as slick as you Birthers think the Obamas must be, in order to have perpetrated this elegantly complex scheme, would so casually share the AIDS testing story that blows the cover off of their whole vile machination? So they were just super clever up to that point then? For YEARS they kept it under wraps, but the minute a chance to tell that freaking AIDS story came along, Michelle just couldn't hold back any longer? Well then, we should just sit back and wait for all those investigators that Trump sent to Hawaii to cough up all that info that they've apparently been holding onto for some time...he said it was shocking stuff. ... Well, maybe I'll go get a coffee while I'm waiting.

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Daiwa

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When it comes to conspiracies, I don't believe the government is capable of perpetrating them - it simply lacks the competence or ability to control all the moving parts once they are put in motion.

However, I have no doubt the government can be duped.

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Quoting lulapilgrim,

reply 108

But experts are putting their reputation on the line and saying Obama's was a computer generated birth certificate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrQp6qSgX_I&feature=youtu.be

Quoting TheFunkMaster,

reply 109

I'll bet these experts are the best and brightest too.

How about truthful and honest? I bet the experts would be willing to testify of their findings.

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Quoting TheFunkMaster,

reply 109

Look, many first and second generation Americans talk about their family's country of origin as their "home country".

OK, pooh pooh away Michelle's comment if you want...but Obama's comment is not so easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5zvGF6u9g&feature=related

Obama: My approval ratings are having their ups and downs, but are high "in the country of my birth."

Quoting TheFunkMaster,

reply 109

I bet they both regret using that little bit of shorthand.

Ya, "little bit of shorthand", little slips of the tongue....oh my spare us the details, details!

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Quoting Daiwa,

reply 110

However, I have no doubt the government can be duped.

Well said.

And this wouldn't be the first time, nor will it be the last.

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Quoting lulapilgrim,

reply 108

But experts are putting their reputation on the line and saying Obama's was a computer generated birth certificate.

http://www.americansrestoringamerica.com/links/Birth Certificate Forgery.doc

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Quoting lulapilgrim,

reply 112

Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 108But experts are putting their reputation on the line and saying Obama's was a computer generated birth certificate.

OK, pooh pooh away Michelle's comment if you want...but Obama's comment is not so easy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5zvGF6u9g&feature=related

Obama: My approval ratings are having their ups and downs, but are high "in the country of my birth."

You know, I saw your clip there when you posted it earlier, and I knew it was fishy right away, but had to wait until I got done with work in order to do the research. Turns out it didn't take that much, could have done it instead of that smoke break. So hey...when the clip ends do you notice that it cuts off right before the audience's reaction? That bug you too? It should...because this speech is from the 2010 White House Correspondent's Dinner. You know, the big fancy party they throw for the media where the president does a comic speech. The applause was pretty good for that joke (which you didn't hear due to creative editing), and for a lot of his other ones. Allow me to enlighten you:

So I am left wondering, did you not bother to do the three minutes of research it would have taken to find out what this was all about before throwing it out there like fact, or did you know that you were misleading people with something so obviously false? I mean, using the Correspondent's Dinner speech as a "Gotcha!" quote is so laughably obvious, he should have made a joke about people like you right after the one you quoted! Dear God of All That is Holy, why didn't you get him to make a joke like that so I could post it here?

So all those posts ago when I charged you lulapilgrim and all your fellow Birthers of living in a delusional world of your own construction, this is exactly what I was talking about. To people who bother to know what is actually going on this kind of thing is maddening, and most of us can see that it's corrosive to our political discourse. I'm here to tell you buddy, you do a little bit of your own research and logical thinking on the claims that you're regurgitating here, you'll live a much more informed, rewarding life.

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Quoting TheFunkMaster,

reply 114

You know, I saw your clip there when you posted it earlier, and I knew it was fishy right away, but had to wait until I got done with work in order to do the research.

Nothing fishy about the video clip of Obama saying what he said about the country of his birth.

So he made a joke of it? Doesn't change a thing. Certainly doesn't prove his birth certificate is genuine!

Just before that he made a joke about the Catholic hypocrite Joe Biden's infamous F-bomb and got a laugh there too! Was that what Biden said or just "comic speech"?

Quoting TheFunkMaster,

reply 114

To people who bother to know what is actually going on this kind of thing is maddening, and most of us can see that it's corrosive to our political discourse.

All that is being asked is for Obama to produce an authentic birth certificate.

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Quoting TheFunkMaster,

reply 114

in order to do the research. Turns out it didn't take that much, could have done it instead of that smoke break.

Okay, smarty pants...

Since Barack Hussein Obama aka Barry Soetoro has been in office for more than 3 years and since the media hasn't been able to-----

find any of his childhood friends or neighbors...

find any of Obama's high school or college classmates...

produce his college papers or grades...

determine how he paid for both a Columbia and Harvard education...

discover which country issued his visa to travel to Pakistan in the 1980's...

----perhaps you can research and give us the whole truth.

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In true conspiracy nut fashion, you remain completely undaunted by the facts lulapilgrim. In fact you did exactly what I expected you to do, 'cuz it's what your type always resorts too...throw out more chaff and just shift your conspiracy to a different focus. I certainly could go through and mention friends and family of the Obama family and of the President himself, but I got better things to do than beat my head against a wall trying to talk sense to you people.

Besides, I don't have a problem with you guys getting yourselves all worked up anymore. See, before the Affordable Care Act when you had an early heart attack or stroke because you live in a near constant state of persecution, I had to pay for it when you went to the emergency room. But now, thanks to our fine President, long may he live fat and happy, you guys are all covered! Awesome! Go ahead and stroke out there big guy! Oh, and thanks for pitching in to support me when my cigarette smoking catches up with me.

The President is bad ass.

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Quoting lee3908870,

reply 98

Please, this horse is dead, it is time to stop the beating.

Col Carter! You are looking in great form!

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Quoting Dr Guy,

reply 117

Please, this horse is dead, it is time to stop the beating.

Quoting Jythier,

reply 99

Keep beating it 'til it dies again.

Yup. That's what Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County Arizona and the evidence gathered by a group known as the Cold Case Posse are doing.

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Freaking shameless.

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Daiwa

Join Date 07/2001

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There's so much more than the birth certificate silliness.

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Let these people keep harping on about the "real" birth certificate... This issue is dead to everyone but a small but incessantly vocal group and they aren't convincing any undecided or swing voters with their claims.

The more time and effort they dedicate to demanding the "real" certificate and proclaiming all evidence that doesn't support their theory the better. They are accomplishing nothing and wasting countless hours and days of their lives demanding "the truth" knowing full well that they will not accept anything other than reaffirmation of their theory as "the truth". Nothing will come of their effort. There will be no shocking release of damning evidence by Donald Trump or any other birther leader. Obama will not be impeached or resign, and from the looks at the electoral math in all likely-hood will be re-elected in several months. If you want Obama out of office so badly that you've been devoting hours and hours over 4 years to what most certainly IS a conspiracy theory (one that has been debunked to the satisfaction of the majority of the population) you may want to rethink your strategy...

You see there is an easier way to get Obama out of office!... There is this election coming up, and while the odds are in Obama's favor at the moment, the chances of you proving Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya and getting him impeached are considerably smaller than the odds he could be defeated in November. Maybe you could go out and help campaign for his opponent? Raise awareness about issues that swing voters care about (hint: the birth certificate isn't one of them!!..) Either of these two suggestions is certainly guaranteed to be more effective than babbling on about a conspiracy theory that nearly the entirety of the undecided electorate has already deemed bogus.

So you can either do yourself a favor and focus your attention elsewhere (where it could make a difference!). Or you could do Barack Obama a favor and keep asking for his "real birth certificate"; because while you may get some people to listen to your theory, you are not going to change many peoples opinions on the matter at this point.

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Which type of documents do you want him to release?

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http://www.youtube.com/embed/QXEoQJ7ZMZs?feature=player_detailpage

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This link is an old story from RenewAmerica.

OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE--AN OLD TIME FISH STORY WITH ALL SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT BEING RIGHT.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/neary/120429

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