Obama: Lets See the Certificate

Island Dog

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Obama: Lets See the Certificate

Over the past couple of months, there has been quite a bit of speculation that Obama’s birth certificate holds a secret, one of which that he is not a natural born citizen therefore not eligible to be President of the United States. Several petitions have been filed, and the SCOTUS has review and denied most that have come in. I’m not really sure what to believe, as I have haven’t seen evidence either way to indicate whether Obama is or isn’t qualified to be President.

However, the thing that bothers me the most is Obama will not open the sealed document to put this matter to rest. If he is about “change”, and so-called “open government” then he should have no problem releasing these documents and putting an end to the speculation. But he doesn’t.

The Kenyan government has also put in place a gag order silencing Obama’s extended family from talking to the media about Obama. Why? Is it too much to ask for the American public to have the ability to ensure that the person who will run our country is completely eligible?

Is there anyone who objects to Obama having to show his eligibility to be President?

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Why do American birth certificates list race???

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First of all:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31854_Oh_Noes!_Nirth_Certifikit_Eated!

But let's get to business.

The most prominent crusader against Obama’s American citizenship claim, lawyer Philip Berg (who, not coincidentally, is also a prominent 9/11 Truther) disputes that Obama was born in Hawaii and claims that Obama’s paternal grandmother told him she saw Obama born in Kenya.

Berg and his supporters further assert that the “Certification of Live Birth” produced by Obama was altered or forged. They claim that the contemporaneous announcement in a Hawaii newspaper of Obama’s birth is insufficient evidence that he was born there. (Did a fortuneteller place it in the paper knowing he would run for president?) And they accuse anyone who disagrees with them of being part and parcel of the grand plan to install Emperor Obama and usurp the rule of law.

I believe Trig was born to Sarah Palin. I believe Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. I believe fire can melt steel and that bin Laden’s jihadi crew — not Bush and Cheney — perpetrated mass murder on 9/11. What kind of kooky conspiracist does that make me?

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OGY0OTgxYWYzYTJmOTVjODhjYWFmZDQ0ZWQzMzFhYzQ=

Berg's a nutbar Bush-hater from way back; in 2001 he asked Supreme Court Justices Thomas, Scalia and O'Connor to voluntarily disbar themselves for their decision in Bush v. Gore.

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/01/philip-j-berg-nutbar-supreme.html

One of the frequent participants in the conference calls is Bob Schultz, who heads the "We the People Foundation" which has raised tens of thousands of dollars raising questions about Obama's background and promoting Berg's legal action with full-page ads in the Washington Times, Chicago Tribune and the conservative newspaper Human Events. The group is now eyeing buys in the New York Post and USA Today.

Schultz's Web site, which had previously been dedicated to promoting Rep. Ron Paul's (R-Texas) insurgent presidential campaign, hosts an array of documents and web videos offering conflicting arguments - that Obama was born outside of the United States, or that he lost his citizenship upon moving to Indonesia with his mother and step father and then must have re-entered the United States illegally.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20081207/pl_politico/16257

I refuse to go down that road.

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Quoting kingbee,

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Did you ever post anything of substance?

prostate bothering you again doc?

Finally something of substance. Irrelevant, and juvenile, but coherant words strung together. There might be hope for you after all.

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Why do American birth certificates list race???

Pennsylvania's birth certificates don't list race. What I find interesting is his (Obama's) BC lists his mothers race as Caucasian and his fathers as African. I always thought Africa was a geographical location, not a race. Also, are there not white Africans? Also, IMO this seems interesting to me in light of the time of his birth, wouldn't race have been listed as Negro? I'm not familiar with Hawaiian documents in any form, so it is conjecture on my part, but it does seem odd. Perhaps Hawaii was just more progressive back then, or someone just knew that he was destined for greatness. Anyone know if a bright star appeared over the islands when he was born (or if he was protected by Rotweiliers and a strange old nanny)?

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Pennsylvania's birth certificates don't list race.

I can see why birth certificates would list nationality, but I'll never understand that race thing. Who cares what race someone is?

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Quoting Nitro Cruiser,

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Why do American birth certificates list race???

Pennsylvania's birth certificates don't list race. What I find interesting is his (Obama's) BC lists his mothers race as Caucasian and his fathers as African. I always thought Africa was a geographical location, not a race. Also, are there not white Africans? Also, IMO this seems interesting to me in light of the time of his birth, wouldn't race have been listed as Negro? I'm not familiar with Hawaiian documents in any form, so it is conjecture on my part, but it does seem odd. Perhaps Hawaii was just more progressive back then, or someone just knew that he was destined for greatness. Anyone know if a bright star appeared over the islands when he was born (or if he was protected by Rotweiliers and a strange old nanny)?

The documents released from Hawaii are not legit. I wan't to see the original. The one in the picture has a date of 2001 on it.

It's just a document. If it exisit we deserve to see it.

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It's just a document. If it exisit we deserve to see it.

Maybe his true second name isn't "Hussein" and he doesn't want people to know?

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The documents released from Hawaii are not legit. I wan't to see the original. The one in the picture has a date of 2001 on it.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

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Stubbyfinger shoots and scores.

Anyone still bitching after reading the link is just looking for things that aren't there. Is THAT proof enough, ID? John?

Every single argument against it that's been raised is obliterated in that one article. Anything else to whine about?

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Quoting SanChonino,

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Anyone still bitching after reading the link is just looking for things that aren't there. Is THAT proof enough, ID? John?

Yes there is. I want to see the original. If I request a copy of my birth certificate today it comes in the form of a copy of the micro fiche with a raised seal. Until I see the original document, it's just not proof.

People can be paid off. Documents can be faked. These two actions happen everyday. Why should I believe a person producing a recently created document?

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Leuki, how were you able to upload ur penquin picture? I went to update my picture and now I can't upload a picture in My Account.

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I only have to add that Phillip Berg is STILL trying to press this issue even after the FactCheck.org produced article. Considering Annenberg Foundation's ties to Obama I can see why one would want to see the ORIGINAL.

That is All.

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Island Dog

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Anyone still bitching after reading the link is just looking for things that aren't there. Is THAT

The Factcheck.org (an Annenberg association) has been disputed plenty of times. What is so wrong about wanting to see the original document? Why doesn't he release it?

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kingbee

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~pokes head in, waves at the bee-man, and laughs her ass off.

wavin back @ your sublime self lw!

lafftin is the better & preferred alternative here. sad as it may be witnessing the descent into pathology of what once might likely have passed as functioning brains, i'm not tearing up even a drop.

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Oh, so you guys want your vewwy own copy sent to your vewwy own addwess.

I get it.

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kingbee

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Anyone still bitching after reading the link is just looking for things that aren't there

et tu, sc?

my exact reason for posting said link several hours and perhaps 10 replies earlier than stubbyfinger (not that i wanna diminish his efforts in the least...but bitchin about anything even .01% rational in this thread almost seems justifiable).

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kingbee

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I want to see the original

yeah but...then you concede:

If I request a copy of my birth certificate today it comes in the form of a copy of the micro fiche with a raised seal

in other words, you wanna see HIS original...even tho you're able only to obtain a mere copy of your own bc?

People can be paid off. Documents can be faked.

can't be too vigilant nor suspicious. i suggest you waterboard your parents and the medical professionals who assisted at your delivery til they cop to the horrible things they been coverin up all these years.

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kingbee

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What is so wrong about wanting to see the original document?

notta damn thing.

which is why i wanna see your original birth certificate.

not a copy nor any form of artful reproduction no matter how identical it may appear.

soon as you lemme know it's in your possession, i'll arrange to have it picked up by a bonded courier who will handcuff it to his person and deliver it for my inspection. afterwards it'll be returned to you along with a couple bucks for your trouble...and my sincerest thanks, of course.

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kingbee

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Maybe his true second name isn't "Hussein" and he doesn't want people to know?

dammit, now id ain't gonna have nothing to write about next.

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Quoting just john,

comment 36

People can be paid off. Documents can be faked. These two actions happen everyday. Why should I believe a person producing a recently created document?

What evidence would you belive? The official in charge saying it was genuine? 'cos thats been done.

If they release the original would you belive that seeing as 'documents can be faked'? Even if you saw it with your own eyes would you belive it?

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What evidence would you belive?

Does it matter? I simply find it amusing that the tactics used against Bush (the honest ones, not the Dan Rather Fraud) are being used against the left now. And how they howl! Et tu, Brute?

Democrats love a controversy. Otherwise, Obama would have released it and made this a non-issue. He wants to keep this on the forefront, so people do not pay attention to his activities behind the curtain.

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Island Dog

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notta damn thing.

which is why i wanna see your original birth certificate.

not a copy nor any form of artful reproduction no matter how identical it may appear.

soon as you lemme know it's in your possession, i'll arrange to have it picked up by a bonded courier who will handcuff it to his person and deliver it for my inspection. afterwards it'll be returned to you along with a couple bucks for your trouble...and my sincerest thanks, of course.

Nice attempt at substance, but once again fail.

I am not going to be the President of the United States. My BC has no relevance, and there is no comparison.

in other words, you wanna see HIS original...even tho you're able only to obtain a mere copy of your own bc?

When I applied to be a deputy sheriff years ago, I had to produce orginal documents. I don't think it's too much to ask of the would-be President.

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Does it matter? I simply find it amusing that the tactics used against Bush (the honest ones, not the Dan Rather Fraud) are being used against the left now. And how they howl! Et tu, Brute?

Democrats love a controversy. Otherwise, Obama would have released it and made this a non-issue. He wants to keep this on the forefront, so people do not pay attention to his activities behind the curtain.

As I shown, the left had no problem questioning McCain's eligibility, and now how dare people question the messiah!

But I guess Obama has other problems, I mean, the first President-elect to be investigated for corruption isn't the best way to start.

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But I guess Obama has other problems, I mean, the first President-elect to be investigated for corruption isn't the best way to start.

Before he even takes the oath of office! I would have denied it if you had told me a year ago, but Obama just may make me look back on Clinton as an HONEST guy!

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Maybe his true second name isn't "Hussein" and he doesn't want people to know?

LOL, it might be "Adolph".

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Considering Annenberg Foundation's ties to Obama I can see why one would want to see the ORIGINAL.

Good point.

The same goes with the Gov. of Illinois, Blagoyovech (Sp?)SCANDAL, and the question that Obama must answer truthfully.....What is his, Rahm Emanuel's and others in his incoming team involvement? The public has a duty and right to know the truth.

While Obama's away in Hawaii and Emanuel is in Africa or some place, well out of camera reach, Obama has his attorney release his statement out to the public..."no involvement whatsoever" is the summation.

Really and truly...this skeptic asks,,,,,Have we gotten the truth? Should we accept that carte blanche? Should we buy that without any further investigation?

Same deal of the proof required as to his birth certificate. Partisan affirmation of its sufficiency is one thing and a good place to start...but absolute proof is what is needed. Absolute proof is not too much to ask.

And besides, Obama campaigned on transparency.

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