He's a freaking upper class white aristocrat snob!

A RICH WHITE UPPER CLASS ARISTOCRATIC SNOB

and bush is the son of poor ethnic immigrants who had to work 2 afterschool jobs and wear his brother's hand-me-downs to cheerleader practice?

artistocrats are the ones who incorporate their dynastic family names for use as what the rest of us call 'middle names'.

Kingbee, good points. I would also point out that G.W. failed at every business adventure he ever attempted. When Bush's Ambrusco (spelling ?) oil business was in the tank, the only thing that saved the company was his and his father's Saudi friends' investments. And when you think about that, it's pretty strange that Saudis, (who are awash in oil and investment opportunities that go along with it), would want to invest in a small, failing, and for the most part unknown oil business. Kerry's socio-economic status has nothing to do with why I or many other people are suppporting him.

For anyone to raise the silver spoon issue to demonstrate that Kerry is unfit to lead is ludicrous, given that Bush was the one born with it. Also, the point raised here by T-Bone about the Bushies' connections to the Saudis cannot go unnoticed. As he pointed out, the Saudis bailed out Dubya in his failed business venture. The Bushie-Saudi ties are not undocumented. Isn't that ironic given that 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, and more ironic that the only plane allowed to fly and leave the country a few days after 9/11 was to allow Saudis to escape questioning? And, that they were Bin Laden family members? Isn't that ironic?

Why the friggin' hell haven't you figured this out, z0mbie?

And, what specifically are you referring to when you state that Kerry "represents everything the Democratic party has fought against for 50 years?" Just because he's rich? Is that what you're referring to? Sadly, this is unbelievable that anyone could even think this.

There are many Americans that are rich. ANd many of them you would never know it to talk to them or know them, because they act like everyday middle class people.

Then there are the blue bloods. The ones that have to shove their wealth in your face every chance they get. They can only be proud of themselves when they show you how much better than you they are.

Bush belongs to the former group. Kerry the latter. That is what Zombie meant, and while brunt, he did state the issue very well.

Then there are the blue bloods.

unlike good ol ordinary folk with middle names like walker, sheldon, prescott, newcomb that were once their ancestors last names (just so nobody forgets) or even first and middle name combinations.  im sure we all went to public school or played stickball with guys named prescott sheldon bush.

I think the reality we're up against is that a Kerry victory isn't really an endorsement of Kerry, but more of a confirmation of dissatisfaction for Bush. The system doesn't really allow a feasible alternative other than Kerry right now , does it? So where does that put the "aristocrat" factor now? Even if it were in his head and not in his blood, many would still choose him as a favorable option inspite of that and deal with his performance later in the same way they'd be dealing with the Bush performance on Nov. 2.

BUT HAVEN'T YOU FIGURED OUT THAT JOHN KERRY IS A RICH WHITE UPPER CLASS ARISTOCRATIC SNOB? HE'S NOT THE ANSWER PEOPLE!

Considering you basically just described the people who put together both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution/Bill of Rights, I don't see what the problem really is.

Considering you basically just described the people who put together both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution/Bill of Rights, I don't see what the problem really is.

I was thinking the same thing, HIH.
I, for one, don't have a problem with wealth being a factor in politics. Ever heard of a "poor" person being elected to any high office? Of course not, it just doesn't happen. In order to gain that high office, you have to have money to initiate the campaign (later funds come from donors), connections with powerful names to help you along, etc. The everyday Joe Lunchbox / 40-hour week guy just doesn't have this.

As to the Saudi connection....everyone in oil, I'm sure, has some connections with the Saudis....its seems impossible that they wouldn't. I see nothing sinister in the Bush family's Saudi business dealings.

The bin-Ladens being shipped out of the country, well......I admit I may have issue with that, except for the well-known fact thateveryone in the bin-Laden family has pretty much written off Osama for being the family whacko. Still, they should have at least been detained and questioned. I'll give you that.

Here's the deal: Bush may have had money, but he was raised in Midland Texas. If you've ever been to Midland, you'd understand a little better that there is no way in the world Bush is an upper class snob. Kerry is just... so everything this country was founded against. Old European beliefs that strike me as out of place.
I just believe, honestly, that the Democratic party is about to get taken for a ride.

If you've ever been to Midland, you'd understand a little better that there is no way in the world Bush is an upper class snob

And yet he went to the one of the best private high schools in Massachussettes and Yale.... which are signs of being an upper-class snob.

The Democratic party has been purchased. I will enjoy watching it's demise over the next four years. Enjoy your moment of glory on Jan.21, 2005: Kerry is the antithesis of every noble ideal the Democrats have stood for.

Midland Texas

On a related, but off-topic, note, I went to the same JR high that both GW and Laura Bush attended. San Jacinto Junior High School . . . go Mustangs!

Reply #2 By: T_Bone4Justice - 11/1/2004 5:25:47 AM Kingbee, good points. I would also point out that G.W. failed at every business adventure he ever attempted. When Bush's Ambrusco (spelling ?) oil business was in the tank, the only thing that saved the company was his and his father's Saudi friends' investments. And when you think about that, it's pretty strange that Saudis, (who are awash in oil and investment opportunities that go along with it), would want to invest in a small, failing, and for the most part unknown oil business. Kerry's socio-economic status has nothing to do with why I or many other people are suppporting him.

Excuse me, but what does this have to do with Kerry being a snob or not being one?

T_Bone4Justice wont reply, he was blacklisted on a whim of mine.

Yes, let us defend Kerry being a snob by pointing out Bush. What can no one defend their candidate on their candidate's own merits without resorting to the "well my guy is better than your guy" argument?

Argumentative Plinko!!

Yes, let us defend Kerry being a snob by pointing out Bush. What can no one defend their candidate on their candidate's own merits without resorting to the "well my guy is better than your guy" argument?

I didn't say Kerry was better than Bush... I said they had virtually the same kind of familial background after DZ brought up Bush's "humble" origins. Reagan was the last president with humble origins in terms of schooling.

The Democratic party has been purchased. I will enjoy watching it's demise over the next four years. Enjoy your moment of glory on Jan.21, 2005: Kerry is the antithesis of every noble ideal the Democrats have stood for.

Name me a candidate that isn't beholden to some special interest or another, and I will show you a candidate who couldn't win higher office.

I didn't say Kerry was better than Bush... I said they had virtually the same kind of familial background after DZ brought up Bush's "humble" origins. Reagan was the last president with humble origins in terms of schooling.

True, which is why I call them cousins and "Skulls" members, but one was raised in Texas in small town the other in Massachusetts in a large city (?), so because their backgrounds and relationships are the same does not mean their personal interactions with individuals are the same. Though Badnarik is a nicer fellow though and one I could actually connect with because he comes from a middle class background.

Skulls and Bones Plinko!!

I think the reality we're up against is that a Kerry victory isn't really an endorsement of Kerry, but more of a confirmation of dissatisfaction for Bush.

To say that I'm dissatisfied with Bush would be a HUGE understatement. But, the fact of the matter is, I support and endorse Kerry wholeheartedly. There are huge numbers of people who do support and endorse him, though I'm sure there are just as many who are going by the "Anyone but Bush" scenario.

im sure we all went to public school or played stickball with guys named prescott sheldon bush.

I was going to say I went to school with people with names like that... but I never attended public schools. Whoops. Guess I'd better stay out of this conversation....

Reagan

Ah, yes....one of the many names of God........

haha i SO agree. I'm from australia and all u hear about lately is the negative commentary on Bush but has anyone actually bothered asking 'why is it that he still has support?'. I'm not a big Bush fan but in this election i see him as the less of two evils. Kerry is more remote from the people and like all democrats - a political monger. Supporting expedient policies to further his own political career. So Bush victory tonight signals that the ppl of US, rightly, hate Kerry more than Bush! Three cheers to democracy!

haha i SO agree. I'm from australia and all u hear about lately is the negative commentary on Bush but has anyone actually bothered asking 'why is it that he still has support?'. I'm not a big Bush fan but in this election i see him as the less of two evils. Kerry is more remote from the people and like all democrats - a political monger. Supporting expedient policies to further his own political career. So Bush victory tonight signals that the ppl of US, rightly, hate Kerry more than Bush! Three cheers to democracy!