Oh well, I doubt that stardock is going to change their minds on this one and I've made my stance clear. I do hope that it does have a negative impact on sales, I know I will be looking at most other places before chosing stardock/impulse again. To me it makes the GBOR a marketing ploy and well, it worked.

... jackass

Is it possible for me to install Impulse long enough to download and install the 1.1 patch, and then uninstall Impulse after?  I really do not like having applications installed that I never use.  Hope there is, if not I'll just keep playing 1.05.

Are you kidding me? How has Impulse impacted your situation in a bad way? You would be in the exact same situation without impulse. Unless you archived the update... but then, why not archive the game in impulse after the update? I don't see how this has anything to do with impulse, and I don't even like impulse.

And letting impulse manage archiving of updates and stuff on its own? No thanks.

As far as that goes, SD is one of the very few groups with half a brain when it comes to torrent sites -- most sites will actually take the ISO down, if asked.

And SD actually bothers to ask!

Oh, I also meant to say that I LOVE the refreshing posts from FrogBoy about this topic.  It's very nice to see the CEO of the company basically telling people to go pack sand for one reason or another.  In this day and age of politically correct pansies, it's pretty cool to see someone who says what he actually thinks instead of what he thinks someone wants to hear.  Well done FrogBoy!

Although I have no problems with Impulse, out of all the arguments against it that I have read in these forums so far, this one is the most persuasive in my opinion.

Err, no, I was not referring to the ISO of Sins, most of the time, that's out of date patch wise anyway. Adobe CS4 has a pretty smart way of trying to defeat pirates - I must give props to Adobe for thinking that up.. But the pirates have figured it out.. And I'm not referring to using the CS4 method (or any method) to defeat Sins, since Sins itself does not have any copyright protection. So the target for pirates is actually . . . and using a two step process, pirates could concievably provide a lot of SD's stuff out there..

Asking popular torrent sites to take certain things down is good, but there are many private trackers etc that would not honour such requests. Still, I agree, SD does have a leg up in this department over many others - so props to SD as well.

Anyway, all I'm saying is, specifically for SOASE, if one wishes to pirate it and distribute it, I don't think it would be too difficult - certainly easier than Adobe CS4, Vista, etc.. Hence the main reason is that I think pirates don't really think SOASE is a "high value target" enough for them to devote time and resources to doing so Which is both good news and bad for IronClad

@The_Regicide

yes, it says it is for windows. The box says also (translated) "This product is copy protected through technical security meassurements". You would find the same on any game with DRM.

@Zoomba

I just hope you are not a typical stardock official.

@Impulse

Given that Impulse does not work on my system it seems there is no way to transfer an updated SOASE from my other computer.  That is because when I use Impulse to archieve then I need Impulse again to open the archieve. Well, there are other ways I could try. For once I decided to do that. I think it is very stupid, that I need to run a virtulized computer just to update my game, but it looks like that is the way stardock wants to go

In the regard that you may actually have an independent opinion and a personality. Don't you know that scares people

I rarely post, I do mean rarely. However I have used SD products for a longtime. I TRUST this company, rare for me these days. As a mature gamer who has basically grown up with the industry (first computer 1979 ,aged 15). I have to say that Impulse is the smartest, most level headed response to the perceived "piracy" problem I have seen.It's not over complex, it evolved from its predecessors and it does what it is supposed to do.

SD, please stay the way you are, the way you've always been. Trustworthy

(Ok that's enough of that. See you in 3 ish years with the follow on post  )

I agree Simmyaz. I cant really understand what all the bitching is about... Sins does not require you to run Impulse in the background, it does not care if its even on your system. If you really have THAT much of a problem with the product taking up space on your hard drive then just UNINSTALL it... if there is a patch you could wrestle with the collosal issue of quickly installing the product for the update or not...

If space is not the issue just make sure the product does not start up. Its fairly simple to make sure Impulse is not lauched when your OS loads so again I fail to see the issue here.

Besides Simmy is right. There is no copy protection on the game. As mentioned you could install the game from the CD to hundreds of thousands of computeres and it would run fine, people would be able to play the game on these computers without any difficulties. However I don't see the issue with restricting game support, such as patches, to legitmate paying customers. While YOU might not be a pirate using a pirated game that hardly applies univesally. Why should the paying Sins community have to support these leaches who bought the game via EBAY or something? 

The Impulse system works fine. Consisering I was using Stardock central to update my Sins game before Impulse it was hardly a major problem to change to Impulse for the exact same purpose...

I think this will be my first ever post on these forums, i have sat back and read many-a whine and dribble since long durin beta but this topic just had to get a response.

I cannot believe in the days of SecuROM, EA, and Ubisoft that you can come in here and complain about a system like Impulse .... myself and my clan have spent countless hours on vent talkin about the future of PC Gaming and the damage DRM and the publishers that condone it are doing to the gaming community and PC Gaming as a popular platform ....

Stardock's Gamer's Bill of Rights was proposed and designed BY Stardock why in the blue hell would you think they would go against their own sodding policy??? to complain about the like of Impulse and then talk about "why doesnt it work like Steam" is almost a contradiction in itself ... the fact is both Impulse and Steam are doing things right, Stardock and Valve should be commended not slandered for their method of distribution ... you ASSUME that with new software comes new malicious code ... but Stardock have already shown their dedication to the GAMER i put my faith in them, their mentality and the Bill they proposed as proof of this,  quite simply nothing you have stated is fact, it just paranoia ... but to this day Stardock have NEVER taken such action as to suggest they would do any such thing ... more over i am baffled as to what you think they are stealing? the only private information they have is the SAME information you opted to hand over when you created this forum account to have a good old moan .... oh and of course the key provided with the game but surely that isn't a problem is it????

I tip my hat to Frogboy and Stardock for having the balls to do what they have done, that Bill wasn't just something to make us all smile it was a challenge to the industry about how they do things, and it shouldn't be taken lightly not by us OR them ...

Anyways like i said i think it is not only stupid but quite honestly ignorant to sit here and complain about Stardock quite frankly you should be on the EA forums if you feel so strongly about these things .... and i ask myself when you compared to Steam .... did you go on the Steam forums and say the same??? because you are absolutely deluded if you think Impulse does anything different.

Now to try and douse the inevitable flaming i am gonna get from this statement i wanna make something perfectly clear i am NOT a Stardock fanboy i am a PC Gamer who has been around too long to sit back and listen to the deluded and misinformed complaints of people who clearly don't see the bigger picture .... that is to say that to come on here and complain against one of a HANDFUL of current PC Game publishers doing things RIGHT is absolutely unbelievable in the days of DRM, limited sodding installations, having to make a phone call to justify your purchase and permission to install the game again??? .... are you aware that when you purchase an item through EA's so-called download manager it only is valid to download for 6 months!! and then after which you have to pay EXTRA for the right to download softwarte YOU HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED for a mere 2 years????

How can you call yourself PC Gamers when you are in here biting the hand that feeds you?

/Obi