I second that request.

And as Mason said on another thread - when has a politician actually done that?

Good article and questions, Zubaz.

This is the way I'm formulating it....

We're stuck with Obama and I'm guessing that if he makes good on his campaign promises, he's going lead the Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer type Democrats to the Far Left...

The result is people will see through life experience that Liberalism/Socialism aren't happy systems to live under...they don't produce happy people....big government is a burden to the people and giving up freedoms is not going to go over well.....by the time the next election ...2 years from now....the Republican party and what it stands for is going to look real good even to some of them..

In the meantime the Grand Old Party is going to have to re-group, revamp, and re-organize. We are going to have to weed out the RINOs and launder out the Rockefeller Republicans.

Liberal Republicans are phonies and drag the party down...the conservatives is where it's at to keep the party on target...and becasue the media is not even remotely fair and impartial, we've got to develop other ways and better ways to get our message out to the people. I think the answer is strong grassroots and good effective communication.  

The second part of my last response is an email I got from a friend who was kicking around some ideas about what to do from here....as you can see he thought of even changing the party name. I don't think we've got to go that far!  

I've hated the republican's a long time.  If they were to make a few changes though I'd vote for them.  

1.  Campaign Finance reform.  My dollar should mean more than Coca-Cola's dollar.  

2.  Religion issues should not be part of politics.  This country was founded on separation of church and state.(screw you england!)

3.  If they actually brought jobs back to the country instead of shipping them over sees.  

Democratic part has had my vote for some time but issues I have with them are the following.  

1.  Campaign Finance reform.  My dollar should mean more than Coca-Cola's dollar.  

2.  Spending on oversees involvement should end.  I'd love to be more isolationist.  Lets help ourselves before helping others.  

3.  Stop worrying about Raising taxes and inflation and worry instead about the Value of the dollar.  I don't need to make more money if my money was worth more.  

There's a seed of real wisdom in that statement if you just think it through.

djashdj,

resurrecting Zubaz' post.....what fun and great timing! 

Wow.  Necro-post.  I'd forgotten I wrote this . . now I have to see how smart I was . . .

Also . .  where I stand now:

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front

I was thinking the same thing. 

Yup..3 plus years of Obama-machination has moved the nation to the Far Left. If re-elected, we'll be over the cliff. 

I think this is still true today. Even some die hard Democrats aren't following in lock-step. Some are distancing themselves from Obama and his policies. That's why he's bringing in the former lecher-in-chief Clinton.

This is where the Tea Party comes in. They were effective in 2010, in some of the primary elections already held and they'll be just as effective in November, 2012. 

Today's vote in Texas should tell a tale. 

Like it or not, Religion issues are moral and ethical issues and should always be part of not only politics but also of every part of life.

Was not. The US Constitution prohibiition against "an establishment of religion" forbade only the federal establishment of a single national demomination. 

In 1789 when the Constitution was drafted, America was steeped in Protestantism. It was completely permissable for the states to have their own state established denominations.

How many jobs would there be if they drill, drill, drill? and build the gas pipeline? To their credit, the Republicans understand this, while the Democarts are so beholden to their special interests groups, like the Unions and Green radical environmentalists, that they'll never be willing to open our own natural resources.

Don't you think Romney will give a place at the convention table and beyond as far as the Libertarians are concerned. Ron Paul has quite a loyal following that should not be dismissed.

Your dollar is worth the same.  They just have a lot more of them.

Obama has become far more right / authoritarian then in 2008.

There is almost no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans now.

http://politicalcompass.org/uselection2012

Right wing and authoritarian are the opposite.

They are not. They are decoupled. The site is actually explaining this.

Or did you miss the whole, we hate gays, immigrants, and like throwing people in jail to make a buck memo that most right wing parties advocate these days?

I just read the link you provided and don't understand what "authoritarian" means as you use it here.  Perhaps it would help to define it.

I disagree Obama has become far more right then in 2008. As President, Obama promised change and he's been fulfilling that that promise. Change to what? Change from a Republic government that protected life, liberty and property as self evident truths endowed by the Creator toward total tyranny against these unalienable rights.

I'd say, for the most part, this is true of the establishment Republicans. We call them RINO's...Republican In Name Only.

This is a gross hyperbole. 

I suppose you could take the political compass test to see what a tyrant you really are lula.

1. The official democrat platform is "no gay marriage", Don't Ask Don't Tell was implemented by democrats (clinton), the religious right does not hate gays but thinks they are sinners in need of salvation (no different then any of other myriad sins), and conservatives are not exclusively made up of the religious right.

2. We love immigrants, we don't like criminals. Illegal immigration is a crime and the people smuggling them in also smuggle in terrorist, encoded messages in arabic, drugs, weapons, and organized crime. Securing the border is not a hate of immigrants.

3. I have no idea what the throwing people in jail to make a buck thing is referring to.

Right wingers explicitly oppose the authoritarians in the right. The very basis of their platform is the conservation of the separation of powers and weak central government as outlined in the constitution.

I suppose this is the fundamental problem with most Americans when it comes to politics.

Most cannot understand that "leftist commie" Obama has shifted more to the right through his actual actions and is pretty much at the spot the 2008 Republican platform was run on, and is way more right then previous Republican platforms of the past.

Or that "leftist" Obama's policies would make him a hardcore conservative right winger in any other country on the planet.

The Political Compass site's score are not relative, they are based on political science, and it shows that there has been a fundamental shift to further right wing economics at the same time there has been an erosion in civil liberties in the name of fighting terrorism in pretty much all Western democracies. Right wing / Left wing economic policies need to be decoupled from Authoritarian / Libertarian outlooks, because as shown, most Americans have their head in the sand when it comes to political science and what policies their parties are actually implementing.

Also, it is funny that you guys are so uptight that I can't even be pissed off that Obama's policies have become that of a typical Republican, because it insults the typical Republicans with the same policies.

Give me an example.

Left and right wing have a million differing definitions and they are constantly redefined by politicians as is expedient in their attempt to twist the language to support their cause.

Its like calling murdering homeless people "volunteering at the shelter" and then expressing outrage that anyone would be against volunteering at the shelter

If they think right wing economics was shifted to they are smoking crack.

That there are establishment republicans are often corrupt and erode civil liberties doesn't change what the platforms are. the democrats are openly for eroding civil liberties at the moment while the republicans at least pay lip service and sometimes more, especially if they are more serious conservatives.

You also keep on throwing buzzwords like political science without any relationship to anything else you are saying in your argument.

I am a libertarian, sorta. And I have legally emigrated to the USA from Israel, a socialist "utopia" with over 75% tax rate, socialized everything, massive amounts of people on government dole, etc etc etc.

So its funny how an impartial outsider is now a "you people". Also, no typical republican has ever had anything like obama's policies.

And before you bring up bush as the modern US liberal is so apt to do, the bush bailout was voted for by a super majority of democrats and against by a super-majority of republicans.

I'll give you several examples of moving to the right on economic policy. (I don't mind moves further right on economic policy)

1) Extension to bush tax cuts
2) Appoints Michael Taylor (Monsanto) as advisor to FDA
3) High defense spending and appointment of Jerome Powell (this is a Bush era Military-Industrial complex guy) to the Federal Reserve
4) Free-trade deals with South Korea, Panama and Columbia

These are all large moves towards deregulation and to the right on economics of his 2008 platform.

As for "no typical Republican has ever had anything like Obama's policies" why don't you check out the 1989 Heritage Foundation's "Assuring Affordable Health Care for all Americans"... what do you know, Obamacare is actually a Republican proposition as the alternative to Clinton's healthcare reform plan.

It's still funny, nobody I know except Republicans have a problem wrapping their head around the political compass site, because for the most part they ALL have a completely asinine attachment... that anything democrats do is always evil leftist socialism.

1. He did not extend them. He put forth a bill for only portions of them to be extended while giving severe tax hikes for others. Namely "the rich" aka small businesses, doctors, etc. But it was blocked by other democrats. Such class warefare and "progressive" taxation is not "moving to the right".

2. Who? (no really, who?). And an adviser to the FDA? So, not someone who actually decides anything just someone to give advice?

Did you see who he appoints to positions that matter? Eric holder, Sotomayor, and all the other liberal hacks.

3. Obama canceled nasa, canceled the railgun battleships, halved the navy, canceled most military R&D, massively slashed army spending in every possible way. hamstrung our armed forces abroad, etc etc.

4. "Free trade" is a buzz word, if you look at the details of every deal he signs you will find his marxist ideology. Trade agreements with other nations is not "conservative policy" nor does it move him to the right. The big deals he supported were meant to strip Americans of their freedoms in an authoritarian manner such as the UN gun ban, SOPA, PIPA, etc etc.

Deregulation/regulation are stupid and annoying buzzwords thrown by both the right and the left with vague definitions. The same action can be described as both regulation and deregulation most often depending on how you phrase it. And usually IS described as both deregulation and regulation depends on what each side thinks of it.

That being said, none of the above are moves for deregulation. 

You are actually arguing that obamacare is right wing law? No wonder you are so off your rocker.

Every single democrat, republican, and moderate disagrees with you. The conservatives hate it and the liberals love it, but they all agree single payer is a liberal policy.

Libertarian.

Also what "political compass site" I am talking to you about the nonsense comments you make in this thread. I saw no link to any such site nor is it relevant to ANY of the points we are discussing.

And democrats ARE evil leftist socialists and everything they do IS for stripping away civil liberties in the name of creating a utopia via legislation... as if it ever works out.

I disagree with the republicans on some points and hate their corrupt pork barrel status quo establishment. But the tea party is making good headway there while hitting a stone wall on the democrat side.

The democrats are stripping away our freedoms and ruining the economy. Not to mention being chock full of KKK members and antisemites.

Typical flame bait response

Everything you've argued is also typical Republican anti-democrat rhetoric

I see

1) You flat out are a LIAR, because 858 billion worth of Bush tax cut extensions were signed into law by Obama.
2) Appointing a VP from a company that lobbies for deregulation of the FDA, to the FDA (not a right wing economic move?)
3) Expenditures are still higher, despite whatever you say is cut. You're still lying. (mostly to yourself and every other delusional anti-democrat)
4) Reducing trade restrictions (protectionism)... and you argue, not a move to right wing economics... seriously. That one takes the cake.

Also... in my very 1st post, which started this whole thing... you will find the link to the political compass site. Typical Republican pretending to be a libertarian, jump in and make yourself look like the stereotype, everyone is laughing at you who is not a pig headed Republican.

Heh, Obama upped the bar so much in the last 4 years, that there is not actually much more room for republicans to be republicans...

So, no need to worry, it Obama wins 2012, it will be the same as if hockey mom and old dude won in 2008.
 

I don't care who you are, that's funny.