Letter From Ollie to John

I recieved this in an email from a dear friend.  I already checked it out on snopes.com so I figured I would share it.  It articulates, from a well experienced military member, the character deficiency that I loathe in Senator Kerry.  I cringe every time I hear someone say that Kerry was brave for giving his Senate testimony when he returned from the war.

Here you go:

Bring it on, John
> by Oliver North
>
> August 27, 2004
>
> "Of course, the president keeps telling people he would never question
> my service to our country. Instead, he watches as a Republican-funded
> attack group does just that. Well, if he wants to have a debate about our
> service in Vietnam, here is my answer: 'Bring it on.'" -- Sen. John Kerry


> Dear John,
>
> As usual, you have it wrong. You don't have a beef with President George
> Bush about your war record. He's been exceedingly generous about your
> military service. Your complaint is with the 2.5 million of us who
> servedb honorably in a war that ended 29 years ago and which you, not the
> president, made the centerpiece of this campaign.
> I talk to a lot of vets, John, and this really isn't about your medals
> or how you got them. Like you, I have a Silver Star and a Bronze Star. I
> only have two Purple Hearts, though. I turned down the others so that I could
> stay with the Marines in my rifle platoon. But I think you might agree
> with me, though I've never heard you say it, that the officers always got
> more medals than they earned and the youngsters we led never got as many
> medals as they deserved.
>
> This really isn't about how early you came home from that war, either,
> John. There have always been guys in every war who want to go home.
> There are also lots of guys, like those in my rifle platoon in Vietnam, who
> did a full 13 months in the field. And there are, thankfully, lots of young
> Americans today in Iraq and Afghanistan who volunteered to return to war
> because, as one of them told me in Ramadi a few weeks ago, "the job
> isn't finished." Nor is this about whether you were in Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968.
> Heck John, people get lost going on vacation. If you got lost, just say so.
> Your campaign has admitted that you now know that you really weren't in
> Cambodia that night and that Richard Nixon wasn't really president when you
> thought he was. Now would be a good time to explain to us how you could have all
> that bogus stuff "seared" into your memory -- especially since you want
> to have your finger on our nation's nuclear trigger.
>
> But that's not really the problem, either. The trouble you're having,
> John, isn't about your medals or coming home early or getting lost -- or even
> Richard Nixon. The issue is what you did to us when you came home, John.
> When you got home, you co-founded Vietnam Veterans Against the War and
> wrote "The New Soldier," which denounced those of us who served -- and
> were still serving -- on the battlefields of a thankless war. Worst of all,
> John, you then accused me -- and all of us who served in Vietnam -- of
> committing terrible crimes and atrocities.
> On April 22, 1971, under oath, you told the Senate Foreign Relations
> Committee that you had knowledge that American troops "had personally
> raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones
> to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies,
> randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of
> Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and
> generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam." And you admitted
> on television that "yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as
> thousands of other soldiers have committed."
>
> And for good measure you stated, "(America is) more guilty than any
> other body, of violations of (the) Geneva Conventions ... the torture of
> prisoners, the killing of prisoners."
> Your "antiwar" statements and activities were painful for those of us
> carrying the scars of Vietnam and trying to move on with our lives. And
> for those who were still there, it was even more hurtful. But those who
> suffered the most from what you said and did were the hundreds of
> American prisoners of war being held by Hanoi. Here's what some of them endured
> because of you, John:
> Capt. James Warner had already spent four years in Vietnamese custody
> when he was handed a copy of your testimony by his captors. Warner says that
> for his captors, your statements "were proof I deserved to be punished." He
> wasn't released until March 14, 1973.
>
> Maj. Kenneth Cordier, an Air Force pilot who was in Vietnamese custody
> for 2,284 days, says his captors "repeated incessantly" your one-liner about
> being "the last man to die" for a lost cause. Cordier was released March
> 4, 1973.


> Navy Lt. Paul Galanti says your accusations "were as demoralizing as
> solitary (confinement) ... and a prime reason the war dragged on." He
> remained in North Vietnamese hands until February 12, 1973.
> John, did you think they would forget? When Tim Russert asked about your
> claim that you and others in Vietnam committed "atrocities," instead of
> standing by your sworn testimony, you confessed that your words "were a
> bit over the top." Does that mean you lied under oath? Or does it mean you
> are a war criminal? You can't have this one both ways, John. Either way,
> you're not fit to be a prison guard at Abu Ghraib, much less commander in
> chief.


> One last thing, John. In 1988, Jane Fonda said: "I would like to say
> something ... to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I
> caused to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to
> help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless
> and careless about it and I'm ... very sorry that I hurt them. And I want
> to apologize to them and their families."
> Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?
>
> Oliver North is a nationally syndicated columnist, host of the Fox News
> Channel's War Stories and founder and honorary chairman of Freedom
> Alliance.

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Reply #1 Top

it's not terribly surprising to find oliver north badmouthing kerry.  after all, kerry headed the senate subcommittee on narcotics, terrorism and international operations that investigated north's complicity in a number of crimes including conspiracy to smuggle tons of drugs into our country, laundering money and providing the iranian rogue state with advanced weapons. 

if anyone should be apologizing for anything, id submit it should be ollie begging forgiveness from the families  of every kid who died using the drugs smuggled into our country with his assistance....and he should be doing it from inside a cell next door to the one used to house his buddy manuel noriega.

Reply #2 Top
it doesn't surprise me that you (and any other individual from the left) are turning this into a "poor Kerry" brigade story.....

pathetic. As a former soldier....and as a family member of several who served in Vietnam....I say PATHETIC
Reply #3 Top
Kingbee, nice try at dodging the legitimacy of what was said.  You might not like the messenger but the message can still be true.  Ollie isn't running for President, Kerry is.  Kerry is the one trouncing out his war hero status and expecting noone to actually look at the facts behind what he did.
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it doesn't surprise me that you (and any other individual from the left) are turning this into a "poor Kerry" brigade story.....

pathetic. As a former soldier....and as a family member of several who served in Vietnam....I say PATHETIC
I agree, pathetic!  And much thanks to you and yours Mythic!
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np.....this just really.....i don't know. All this stuff just really eats at me....I don't get offended too often.....but this.....this deal with Kerry doing that to the soldiers over there.....turns my stomach
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this election has caused more grief than any election should.
No truer words have ever been written.
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I have been truly sickened by Kerry and his campaign. Literally, just sick. He lost my vote in 1971.
There was no getting it back. In fact, I voted early.
I am an extremely proud Navy wife. I'd wear a banner, everywhere if I could.
But those that served in Vietnam couldn't. Their families weren't proud. Why? Because of people like Kerry. They were only doing their duty. Some volunteered, but most were drafted.
This subject is very emotional for me, as with many others I know. All connected to the military, whether serving or spouse.
I think the emotion comes from fear, mostly. That Kerry will get what he desires. It's not right.
You don't deserve to be in the Senate Kerry! To close for comfort, if you ask me.

kingbee, it's your way of thinking and reasoning that worries me. You approach on the deffensive, instead of reading it for what it's worth. Kerry, lying to Congress, isn't worthy of your attention? To check facts....don't take our word for it....you research it. You find your own truth. Vote responsibly.
I have so much more to say. Like I side, very, very emotional, it's a big subject for me. That is my husband out there. I have way more at stake here. It's way to personal. Kerry doesn't understand the destruction he caused. I never want to see that again.
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I don't see how any POW could have been affected by Kerry. I don't recall the VC having a LOUNGE in the POW camps, where they all sat around over a bowl of rice and watch the evenining news or the Senate Oversight Commitee on TV. My father was in Vietnam, granted he was NOT a POW he knew nothing about it until he came back stateside.
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Reply #9 By: RedneckHunter - 10/28/2004 1:41:53 PM
I don't see how any POW could have been affected by Kerry. I don't recall the VC having a LOUNGE in the POW camps, where they all sat around over a bowl of rice and watch the evenining news or the Senate Oversight Commitee on TV. My father was in Vietnam, granted he was NOT a POW he knew nothing about it until he came back stateside.


If neither you *or* your father were POW's then you have NO informed opinion on the matter!
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Reply #9 By: RedneckHunter - 10/28/2004 1:41:53 PM
I don't see how any POW could have been affected by Kerry. I don't recall the VC having a LOUNGE in the POW camps, where they all sat around over a bowl of rice and watch the evenining news or the Senate Oversight Commitee on TV. My father was in Vietnam, granted he was NOT a POW he knew nothing about it until he came back stateside.


If neither you *or* your father were POW's then you have NO informed opinion on the matter! It doesn't matter how you slice this up. Kerry commited treason after coming home from Nam.
Reply #11 Top
Oliver North has exactly ZERO credibility. This is laughable. Ollie's still pissed at Kerry for helping expose Iran-Contra.
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I don't see how any POW could have been affected by Kerry. I don't recall the VC having a LOUNGE in the POW camps, where they all sat around over a bowl of rice and watch the evenining news or the Senate Oversight Commitee on TV. My father was in Vietnam, granted he was NOT a POW he knew nothing about it until he came back stateside.


Then watch "Stone Honor" the POWs themselves will tell you every gory detail to answer your question. Kerry sent his lawyers to issue lawsuits to stop the airing of the Documentary. So much for free speech. This is first hand acounts from those who was there and of what happened in those camps.

That's My Two Cents
Reply #13 Top
Treason my ass, you might want to read the Constitution again. If speakin out against something constitutes "treason", then this whole site is full of it.
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Reply #14 By: RedneckHunter - 10/28/2004 2:01:39 PM
Treason my ass, you might want to read the Constitution again. If speakin out against something constitutes "treason", then this whole site is full of it.


Alright treason *your* ass. You had better go read the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) pertaining to the conduct of officers.
While *still* a member of our armed forces he conducted secret unauthorized meetings with N. Vietnamese leaders! According to the UCMJ that's *TREASON*! BTW this has NOTHING to do with the constitution!
Reply #15 Top
drmiler,
exactly right.
It also states, and I am not quoting word for word here, that any man who meets with enemy leaders in a time of war, can not serve in Congress and as President. ....conflict of interests.

RedneckHunter,
Kerry didn't just "speak out" against the war. If that were true, we wouldn't be having this discussion. He accused, in front of Congress, and under oath, his fellow soldiers of horrible crimes. All of them not just a few. (as the true numbers suggest)
Reply #16 Top

Oliver North has exactly ZERO credibility. This is laughable. Ollie's still pissed at Kerry for helping expose Iran-Contra.
Myr, again, you can dislike the messenger but the message is still true.  There is absolutely nothing untrue said by Ollie.  I really don't give a flying flip if Ollie has it out for Kerry.  Gee, nothing said about W is because people have it out for him.  What is important is the truth about the matter.

I don't give a rats ass about his medals or how he got them.  I do, however care about the character of the man and what lengths he is willing to go to to get to the top.  It is not honorable to accuse your fellow soldiers of atrocities while you are safely back in the lap of luxury and they are still there being tortured for things you say they and even yourself had done.

Reply #17 Top
One name, two words: John McCain

If John McCain calls Kerry's act in 1971 detestable, I am going to go out on a limb here and say John McCain is right!!
I think I will trust the words of a former POW than the a man who was not a POW.
I hear more POWs agreeing with John McCain and denouncing Kerry than I hear of any POW supporting Kerry.

PLINKO!!

- Grimmy Grim Grimster
Reply #18 Top
I know you guys like proof, this is what I have.

Lt. Kerry by his own words and actions violated the UCMJ and the US Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the US Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and US Code 18 U. S. C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct
violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
(Hanoi Jane?)
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-president, having previously taken an oath . to
support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
Reply #19 Top
Thank you Jill for posting this. I found it convincing and sincere.
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Thanks for the info ... always nice to get some factual stuff to use for backing up ones beliefs to another person.
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Reply #19 By: crazy lady - 10/28/2004 3:13:43 PM
I know you guys like proof, this is what I have.


I hope you don't mind me borrowing your info and reposting it as part of an answer?
Reply #22 Top
Ok fine, Bush playing hooky, and going AWOL, then getting it all covered up or "classified" , under the UCMJ he should be held accountable. Oliver North got caught and he wants payback, that's all this is about.
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Reply #23 By: RedneckHunter - 10/28/2004 7:03:01 PM
Ok fine, Bush playing hooky, and going AWOL, then getting it all covered up or "classified" , under the UCMJ he should be held accountable


No empirical proof or he already would be under investigation. However there is pleny of empirical proof on John Kerry's treason. And a petition has been sent requesting such an investigation on Kerry's activities.
Reply #24 Top

Interesting the attackign of the messenger instead of the message. There is nothing in "Ollie's" letter that requires him to have any credibility at all. There are no facts in dispute here are there?

If Ollie says that the temperature is 32 degrees when he's standing next to your thermometer that reads it, does that mean he's wrong?

Reply #25 Top
like i said earlier.....pathetic.....the left amazes me.....Clinton was a draftdodger....he was supported.....Bush didn't go to Vietnam.....he is evil....Kerry broke the law, caused untold problems for our troops in captivity after got out of Vietnam....he is Godsend.

I am really hating the liberal side of things......talk about distortion.

Oh, or maybe the actual POW's that were there are phony....oh,no...that won't do.....the "vietnam vets" that Kerry got hold of in the Winter Soldiers campaign were the phony's.

Again....PATHETIC