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Obama Win Proves Racism Lives

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First A congratulations to Barack Obama my new President. I will withhold any judgements about him till I see what he does as President in his first term. Who knows this might be a great thing for the country, I have hopes anyways.

Now to adress the subject, in a few states like Virginia the black population voted for Obama as high as high as 90%, while blacks traditionally voted Democrat I don't think the numbers have ever been as high as this also the Latinos voted for Obama in huge numbers, Obama bled off enough White votes to slaughter McCain in his history making victory. But.... Does this show White folks how deep the resentment of minorities have?

I mean lets face it Obama has the least experience of any President-Elect in history, yet he blew away a much more experienced candidate, I do believe much of the voting was done not for the man, but for the color of his skin. Time will tell if this was a mistake or not.

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

"Obama won the election but, more importantly, he is black."

I don't think anyone has said it quite like that. I think, regardless of who you voted for, it's a huge step in our country. I have mostly McCain supporters for friends and a lot of them teared up at seeing Obama's speech. Not because they liked him, but the milestone his win represents. I am sure on January 21st, they will be right back to disliking him as usual.

 

Reply #27 from Stardock Forums Top

And what percentage of the black population traditionally votes Republican? In order for this to be an anomoly, you would need evidence that in the past, blacks have voted republican when given a choice between a D and an R of the same race. I think the historic trends would show you that black traditionally vote democrat so it is not surprising that they would be voting Obama. Also, it's important to note that not just blacks came out in force in this election -- the increased turn out was across all demographics.
shadesofgreyon Nov 05, 2008

As high as 65% but never in history as high as 90% shades. Plus you never addressed my point about how come liberals have no problem thinking "SOME WHITES would not vote for Obama because he is Black" But Cannot accept that Blacks WOULD vote for him because he is black??

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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting little-whip, reply 23
Zoo many white folk voted for Obama including my wife Colleen, much to my shame... eh eh eh... I was "forced to spank her that night.LoL, I bet ya both enjoyed that!Great comment whip, glad my head cleared enough to write an article.Me too! 

I called her a Socialist slut for the whole day on November fourth!!!

Reply #29 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Dr, reply 24
I usually receive a diluted answer that includes "it's time we had a Black President." If this does not involve the color of his skin then I'm back to my original question.For many it was racism, pure and simple.  But I think even beyond that, Obama won for one reason alone.  The Housing crunch.  As soon as the stock market dropped below 10k, McCain lost.Most people will note that "Obama is the first....".  But most just wanted "change", without knowing what change is or will be.  It happened before in 1976.  I suspect this ride is going to be a lot worse.And what percentage of the black population traditionally votes Republican?Before or after democrats made race an issue? And good to see you writing again Elie!  Hope things are looking up for you.

Great points DocG anyone that thinks Racism was not involved in this race is blind.

Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting cityguy, reply 29
"Obama won the election but, more importantly, he is black." I don't think anyone has said it quite like that. I think, regardless of who you voted for, it's a huge step in our country. I have mostly McCain supporters for friends and a lot of them teared up at seeing Obama's speech. Not because they liked him, but the milestone his win represents. I am sure on January 21st, they will be right back to disliking him as usual. 

As An American patriot I am willing to give this man my support and not instantly hate him like many of the liberals hated Bush before he even took office.

Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Adventure-Dude, reply 27
Most people will note that "Obama is the first....". But most just wanted "change", without knowing what change is or will be. It happened before in 1976. I suspect this ride is going to be a lot worse.Be sure to fasten your seatbelt, Doc.

That is the essence, he never really DEFINED what "change and hope" looked like.

Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top

You know MM.  Something else that I am seeing here is that an Obama election may also show the selfishness of Americans.  When you think about all the rhetoric that Obama proclaimed.  Tax Cuts for the poor and middle class, Universal Healthcare, Trickle up economics (take money from the rich, give to the poor), etc.

Looking at the exit polls the lower classes are the one's that primarily voted for Obama.  Based upon Obama's policies can we say that in this case the lower class are the ones that are selfish and greedy?

Reply #33 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Adventure-Dude, reply 35
You know MM.  Something else that I am seeing here is that an Obama election may also show the selfishness of Americans.  When you think about all the rhetoric that Obama proclaimed.  Tax Cuts for the poor and middle class, Universal Healthcare, Trickle up economics (take money from the rich, give to the poor), etc.Looking at the exit polls the lower classes are the one's that primarily voted for Obama.  Based upon Obama's policies can we say that in this case the lower class are the ones that are selfish and greedy?

Gee AD, A free ride..... HMMMMMMMMMmm   must warm the heart of Lenin and Marx... everyone equal, just think, now you get to retire at 18!!! sit back get a check for doing nothing, get health care, have a roof over head, food in fridge>> live the good life.. never earn a dime, bah!! let some over achiver do the work while you reap the benefits... what a life!!! Makes me wish I was 16 again.

Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top

Plus you never addressed my point about how come liberals have no problem thinking "SOME WHITES would not vote for Obama because he is Black" But Cannot accept that Blacks WOULD vote for him because he is black??

I thought I did when I said:

so many whites would not vote for Obama simply because he is Black?

I actually don't think that race was as important a deciding factor as most do. I can only point to anecdotal evidence, but, for example, some of my future in-laws are vocally racist and for months said they were voting for McCain -- but yesterday, they actually voted for Obama because they didn't want 4 more years of Republican lead policies (including both economic and foreign policy). It was the reserve Bradley effect. They were more concern with policy than skin color -- which is the way it should be, I think!

I don't think we are going to see eye to eye on this -- and that's okay.  I'm sure you (the collective you who doesn't support Obama) will have many reasons to complain over the next 4 years, just as I hope that I, as an Obama supporter, will have many reasons to be grateful for the choices I made that helped, even in a small way, Virginia go blue.

In the meantime -- I'm just glad you're back.

Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top

And good to see you writing again Elie! Hope things are looking up for you.
Dr Guyon Nov 06, 2008

thank you docG

Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top

Gee AD, A free ride..... HMMMMMMMMMmm must warm the heart of Lenin and Marx... everyone equal, just think, now you get to retire at 18!!! sit back get a check for doing nothing, get health care, have a roof over head, food in fridge>> live the good life.. never earn a dime, bah!! let some over achiver do the work while you reap the benefits... what a life!!! Makes me wish I was 16 again.

Isn't it interesting how addicting begging can be?  I see it all over the world.

Reply #37 from Stardock Forums Top

Very good opinion on the role of racism in the election here:

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-steele5-2008nov05,0,6553798.story

There are many good points on just how relevant race was in this election and how little the outcome will actually change racism.

Symbolism doesn't change racism one whit.

 

Reply #38 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting pictoratus, reply 40
Very good opinion on the role of racism in the election here:http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-steele5-2008nov05,0,6553798.storyThere are many good points on just how relevant race was in this election and how little the outcome will actually change racism.Symbolism doesn't change racism one whit. 

I will get to this ling ASAP it will either prove or disprove my point. I will get back to you on this.

 

Reply #39 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Adventure-Dude, reply 39
Gee AD, A free ride..... HMMMMMMMMMmm must warm the heart of Lenin and Marx... everyone equal, just think, now you get to retire at 18!!! sit back get a check for doing nothing, get health care, have a roof over head, food in fridge>> live the good life.. never earn a dime, bah!! let some over achiver do the work while you reap the benefits... what a life!!! Makes me wish I was 16 again.Isn't it interesting how addicting begging can be?  I see it all over the world.

Nothing can be MORE DEBILITATING!!!

Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top

Just curious, Meg, did ya vote in NH too?

NH?  No, why?  I don't have any connection to NH -- but if you meant RI, then the answer is again, no.  I swtiched my voting registration to VA back in 2003 when there wasn't a hope in hell that my little blue vote would make a difference in a vast sea of red. :)

Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top

I thank you pictoratus for posting this very informative article!!!!

Glad to contribute!

An eye-opener, is it not?

Reply #43 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting pictoratus, reply 46
I thank you pictoratus for posting this very informative article!!!!Glad to contribute!An eye-opener, is it not?

Much more than an eye opener, FOOD for THOUGHT a rare thing indeed.

Reply #44 from Stardock Forums Top

minorities lack the gene causing racism, it is a proven fact! only white people can be racist.

Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top

Sadly a great many people did vote based solely upon race. Both ways. But then I guess it's no less stupid than those who vote on some single issue or other. Let's face it, the majority of voters don't vote based upon a thorough knowledge of the issues. I guess race is as good a stupid reason to vote as any.

 

Frankly I'd much rather hear someone say they voted for someone because of their race as to just bleat "change!" without the slightest idea of exactly what sort of change. At least they're honest (stupid, but honest).

Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top

I know it's easier to believe that Obama won based on race than to believe that the country rejected your philosophy, but frankly I don't think Obama could have won just for being a black man. Jesse Jackson wasn't ever able to even become the Democrats' Candidate. And I doubt if the same people who voted for Obama would have voted for Colin Powell. While I was very pleased and excited at first to see that the Dems had chosen a black man, by the end, I was simply desparetaly praying that for the sake of my own stocks and shares that Americans would turn their backs on the neo-con philosophy that has caused this financial crisis. I know many of you on JU will disagree with the idea that Bush's economic policies have been the problem, but I'm sorry I don't buy your idea that you were the victims of racism. Obama's colour may have inspired people more than if Obama had had white skin (which was a genetic possibility of course given the colour of his mother's family), but they chose him because they didn't believe that America was headed in the right direction any more. Obama came across as one of the most intelligent, confident and competent people to run for office. He reminds me a lot of our PM, Kevin Rudd, though Obama is a better public speaker. People said that Rudd was too inexperienced, though they couldn't use the excuse that he won just because he was black, because of course he is white.

This is rare for me to say of an American President, but if he ran for office here and if he had 2 white parents, I'd vote for him. Pure and simple. Particularly if was running against McCain and palin, who I have to be frank with you are some of the worst candidates ever put up by the Right wing. I know you guys probably still iked them. But even my hard core right wing friends said they couldn't believe what bad candidates McCain and Palin were

Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top

the neo-con philosophy that has caused this financial crisis

Actually it was a democratic initiative and obama was well involved with it. It is called sub-par mortgages and "affordable housing". Bush, btw, tried to regulate it in 2003 and failed. Mccain tried in 2005 and failed. The democrats blocked it every time with the chants of "housing is never a bad investment" and "the affordable housing initiative has helped many underpriviliged minorities own a home". (which they then lost).

He reminds me a lot of our PM, Kevin Rudd

An aussie eh? you are paying an aweful lot of attention to US politics all things considered. There are some very significant issues australia is facing right now.

Reply #48 from Stardock Forums Top

Your economy is affecting us a lot atm. We could argue til the cows came home about what caused the crisis and I doubt you or I would be convinced of each other's economic arguments, but my main point is that no matter whether you believe they're right, American voters voted for the reasons I stated above and the Republicans were not the victims oif racism

Reply #49 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting taltamir, reply 48
minorities lack the gene causing racism, it is a proven fact! only white people can be racist.

ZYup that seems to be the opinion of the Masses. BUT WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!

Reply #50 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting MasonM, reply 49
Sadly a great many people did vote based solely upon race. Both ways. But then I guess it's no less stupid than those who vote on some single issue or other. Let's face it, the majority of voters don't vote based upon a thorough knowledge of the issues. I guess race is as good a stupid reason to vote as any. Frankly I'd much rather hear someone say they voted for someone because of their race as to just bleat "change!" without the slightest idea of exactly what sort of change. At least they're honest (stupid, but honest).

What gets me is the LIBERALS have no problem with wites NOT voting for Omama because he is black but refuse to accept Blacks voting for him because he is black... now there is some serious denial.