Dumb luck or design flaw...

Need some tips

I have a situation here kinda.... Which left me all staring at the monitor when it happened.

So - I play Terrans on a small map with Altarians, Korx and Drengi. Have won the initial colony race, gone all nice and cultural, forged an alliance with the altarians, and am pretty close with the Korx and somewhat with the Drengi too. A pretty nice picture there.

Until all hell broke loose! Gradually but, still at the end it just went over the top.

All started with the altarians declaring war on the drengi. Fine by me, I had manipulated the situation thus enough to keep everybody reasonably in check. They did some fighting, I got some money and then there was The First Coming. That is - the Drengi discovered a PreCursor Ranger and went all balistic on the altarians. I tried to help with what little I could, but I that relatively early in the game, there was nothing I could really do. A little later some message appeared that they were on the way of getting Planetary Invasion technology. I was surprised that they didn't have it and it opened a door for handling the problem in due time.

While my ally and the drengi were fighting(read: while the altarians were getting their ass whooped on every turn) I began building my own little army of spies. Which eventually led to all drengi research nearly grinding to a halt. So I was thinking - continue keeping the altarians in game for the drengi to play with while the others prosper. All was fine until that faithful week, that I'll call The Second Coming - the drengi got a SECOND PreCursor Ranger. I was about to give up when that happened. And I still don't see.

Between my despair then and now several things happened. First - the altarians managed to damage both ships enough for the drengi to recall. Now - when the war started - the altarians took 3 of the 5 drengi planets. So I saw my last chance to make a difference, I put my economy in overdrive and started pumping out constructors which then I sent to the drengi home system. Quickly got 2 influence bases up and running and started waiting and hoping.
 Thankfully, I managed to convert one of their 2 planets barely in the nick of time. One of the rangers got ejected and the other they just launched - and all nearby bases were history in a week.

So now we are at a stalemate. We can't destroy their ships or get anywhere near them and they cant invade our worlds. And now I have no money and no idea what to do. Tried getting an invasion force there, but failed. My influence regrettably is also too low to convert them. I am managing to keep enough spies on their planets, but money is running low and that solution will last only for another 120 weeks or so. So I ask you - is there any way to beat those nasty stupid ships, or do I really give up?

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Reply #1 Top

Why are you out of money?   If you are that late in the game that he's getting Rangers and you have no money, something's wrong with your economy.   That's the first place I would look.

Normally 120 weeks would be plenty of time to just research & build fleets that could take out the Rangers fine.  Even if he did get P.I. first, just back-door him.   The Rangers can't be everywhere at once.

Reply #2 Top

Sounds like a map with few planets and a new player.  No offense meant.

Understanding the economy would help you.  Have you at least bothered to change your sliders from their initial 67% funding, 33% military/33% social/33% research default settings?  If not, it's no wonder you're not getting anywhere.

I assume you're playing TA, in which the rangers are actually significantly more powerful, whereas in DA they could be beaten back by a single ship with sufficient low-level techs.

However, it is worth noting that rangers don't appear until the 5th game year now (or was it the 6th-I'm not sure if year 0 is counted or not), so you're already plenty deep into the game and should really be able to deal with it.

If you're not making money, my guess is a number of things are involved.
-You haven't raised your tax rate from the default of 33%.
-You haven't really won the colony rush as much as you might think.
-You have too many structures costing you too much maintenance.
-You've colonized too many class 3/4/5 worlds and forgotten to research soil enhancement to make them better PQ.  This is relevant because population cap is related to planet quality, so they don't have much population and therefore aren't making you much money.

I would suggest you stop spending so much effort on spies, turn funding to 100% and research to 100%, and attempt to get techs that will allow you to beat said ships.  Alternatively, just get enough engines (and engine techs) on a transport to be fast enough to get in there and take their planet from them before it's destroyed.

Reply #3 Top

I always trade stuff to get these ships away from the other civ's..now its my ship muhaaaaa

Reply #4 Top

That's what I do in games like that.

Buy the Damned things.

And the only time that I ever got a truly "LUCKY" Precursor Ranger, was in year zero, two turns after colonizing a PQ 1 world, and buying one of the soil enhancement buildings.

This was back in DA as well.

I want TA so bad though.

Reply #5 Top

Guess you've dealt with it by now ;)

Anyway, I was in a similar situation recently.

Only thing is, the Drengin didn't find one oft those "Lucky" rangers that have something like 30-40 attack, but instead a truely horrific machine of war with attack somewhat above 100 and similar defense, too.

Could have killed a dread-lords fleet...

As it was still early mid-game, they started wiping out every military unit of their enemies (including mine)

I have absolutely no idea what to do in that situation (short of reloading).

Must have been a mega-event-ranger...

Reply #6 Top

just a note for new, and some 'veteran', players: the AI, especially on the higher diffilculties where its getting massiev miniturization bonuses, has no issues with building ships that can have attacks well into the hundreds and fleets with points in the thousands.  They don't even need to go very far up their tech tree either (about halfway on the highest difficulty levels).  So in short, unless you have the ability to counter the AI in a long/epic game, don't let them build up :-)

Reply #7 Top

Quoting ElZoido, reply 5
Guess you've dealt with it by now

Anyway, I was in a similar situation recently.

Only thing is, the Drengin didn't find one oft those "Lucky" rangers that have something like 30-40 attack, but instead a truely horrific machine of war with attack somewhat above 100 and similar defense, too.

Could have killed a dread-lords fleet...

As it was still early mid-game, they started wiping out every military unit of their enemies (including mine)

I have absolutely no idea what to do in that situation (short of reloading).

Must have been a mega-event-ranger...

The Ranger has been redesigned for TA.

;)

Reply #8 Top

It damned well better be.

Still haven't gotten the bloody game.

(CURSE, CURSE, CURSE!!!)

Reply #9 Top

As far as I can tell there are two types of rangers one can find.

The easy ones with about 30 mass driver attack and armor.

In one game (TA 2.02) I got 5 of them.

And the dangerous ones with very high attack in all three types.

If an enemy gets them early this can be devastating.

Fortunately in my last game the Arceans got one when my fleets were allready strong enough to deal with it.

Alternatively I could have bought it I guess...

Reply #10 Top

Has anyone else noticed that it seems to be that when YOU find a Ranger, it is the old, minor one, but when the AI finds one, it is the new, nasty one?

Reply #11 Top

Quoting Hajj, reply 10
Has anyone else noticed that it seems to be that when YOU find a Ranger, it is the old, minor one, but when the AI finds one, it is the new, nasty one?

No, actually.

The last TA game that I played (that went that long, at least) I wound up with two epic rangers while the AIs didn't even get a minor ranger between all of them.

Reply #12 Top

LOLZ

Maybe the epic rangers only appear on higher difficulty levels.

Reply #13 Top

Quoting Extant, reply 12
LOLZ

Maybe the epic rangers only appear on higher difficulty levels.

 

Hm, don't think so, I was playing on average difficulty

Reply #14 Top

I wonder if he finished that game.

When i was new to the game i would panick when an AI opponent had Planetary Invasion and I didn't. I've since learned that the AI can be very slow in getting transports to my planets. And even when they do, they usually max at 1000 Million troops; not enough to take the planet.

In all my games I've lost more planets to flipping than invasion (propabaly like 5).

Reply #15 Top

I've never had any of my planets flip culturally.

And you know what's a great band?

IRON MAIDEN!!!
RUN TO THE HILLS!!!
AWSOME SONG!!!

Reply #16 Top

So far every single game I've played, if I get a ranger and attack with it the next round the AI gets one.

 

12 times now...

 

Either this is hardcoded or I should get a lottery ticket. Doubly sucks that I always lose the 'duel' :P.

Reply #17 Top

Either this is hardcoded or I should get a lottery ticket.

You should definitely get a lottery ticket.  I've never noticed that in my games.

Reply #18 Top

Quoting Extant, reply 15
I've never had any of my planets flip culturally.

And you know what's a great band?

IRON MAIDEN!!!
RUN TO THE HILLS!!!
AWSOME SONG!!!

Hm, I've also lost many more planets to influence than to invasion, once one of those pesky races gets huge due to a few AI's kicking the bucket and handing over all their planets to the same AI.

Good song but absolutely horrible ridiculous video clip though :p

Reply #19 Top

Touche...