limited association? when asked why he feels he is ready for presidency after so little time in the senate he replied with his pre senate experience as a leader in ACORN made him ready. This is a bit more then "limited association" and it comes from his own mouth. He also proclaims that acorn will shape his campaign and promises them large amounts of money if he wins and so on.

Also, who is we? Everyone who actually beleives in evidence instead of rhetoric has so far only shown evidence to ACORN being a criminal organization.

NO we established no such "facts".  Obama "says" he had limited contact, but the truth is he is in deep with them.  So much so that even the non-Obama democrats are cringing at the relationship.  And we only established that McCain addressed Acorn.  Hardly an association.

Yea, like the german one did in 33.  When you have them in your back pocket (Pelosi-Reid in the one, Ginsberg in the other), it is hard to find where the checks and balances will be.  But go on with your pollyanna outlook.  You will just miss the train when it slams into you.

you must have missed a few posts then, there was this 1 post, i think it was about factchecks.org or something, there was the whole "guilty by association" thing that seems to have been shot down (but if oyu have more to say about it be my guest) & it seems that you didnt read too much into my last post as i said i intended to say "relatively limited association" but didnt becuase some prick might come along & twist things around to his point of view.

well the great thing about trains, is that you can step to the side & be safe from them but seriously, thats why i said "relatively" if all 3 branches were to be taken over then it would fall on the duty of the people to restore things.

thats why you check the references at the bottom of the page, usually those arent messed with by everybody & their mom

actually not really, you can do the research about their claims very easily, & most of what they strive to correct are obvious misconceptions spawned by palin & McCain (like a previous claim that he was muslim)

thats different, a better example would be a captain of the SS on the front lines, compared to a colonel in charge of a concetration camp, the captain is not responsible for the deaths of 6 million jews & other, hes responsible for fighting to defend his country at all costs

honestly i havent heard about it until this forum so i wouldnt know.

well i have to apologize, i misread your post. & im suggesting that if they make a point of it on their website, then you (assuming your interested) should check to see if they are telling the truth. I dont know if Palin looked into anything at all, all i ever heard from her was "who is Barack Obama?" she didnt try to answer that at any of her rallys with any kind of non-fear-mongering speech. & im not attacking the messenger, i simply misread your post & it just happen to look like 1 of the more annoying talking points of that campaign

ya i noticed that the 2nd time through

actually i was talking about posts in this particular topic, so far there havent been many, if any, refering to any of that.

hmm...i thought this thread would be dead already, oh well....

well that counts as 1 & im sure theres some decent stuff in there but im feeling particularly lazy today so ill check them out later