I believe it was done to make the format of all sites consistent which probably means it won't be changed. However there certainly are unique elements of this site, just take the medals as an example. Perhaps instead of forum rank displayed in words as it used to be the unused achievement medals could be defined for different forum ranks and displayed along with the rest of your medals.

You know there's one other feature that some folks would probably appreciate. When you first join the site no medals are displayed. Once you've created a character and clicked on one character to be your "Default" then that characters medals are displayed. From there on out you can change *which* character's medals are displayed with your posts but you can never "turn off" the fact that you must display *some* characters medals forever.

There are some folks that used to play MV and for one reason or other no longer do so and I have heard requests from such folks that they would like to have a way to "opt out" of displaying medals. This isn't a feature that we ever had before but if it was something that was not too difficult to do it would be something that some folks would want.

Regarding the idea of using the undefined Achievement medals to indicate forum ranks, we actually do have medals defined for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place authors and commenters. As far as I remember they *used* to work at least partially, I think that Frogboy used to display the 1st place commenter medal although he's really the 1st place author and the author medals never did work.

Anyway, if forum stats could be made to work again then getting the author and commenter medals to work properly along with perhaps using the undefined Achievement medals to indicate forum ranks then that would be something I think most forum users here would appreciate.

Yes, I'm also hoping that we get at least fully functional medals sometime...

Ya know - straight off Kryo's request...

It isn't working like i wish it could.

Quick Fix Trip?

 

Sure! But have a look at my ranking row below... that' a clear indication about my participation to the MV & Kzinti Empire  -- there must very good reasons why, wouldn't you agree?

1-- Most of my free time is dedicated to Modding... and none of it is public enough for me to realize how or IF it is "important" to someone. Comes in, an alternate MV where Mods are allowed.

2-- I don't play to score, i play to WIN **fast** by whatever means necessary.

3-- Exploits are indirect cheats, tricks to boost anybody's results defeat the purpose of even having a ranking system. Reward the pure & respectable players who adhere to the "stock" process.

4-- Peace or War doesn't cut it from the current calculations... even if you might include any bonus points relative to the gameplay conditions as they are balanced through Ethical Alignments.

5-- Gimme a challenge and i'll tackle it within the rule set provided IF it also means scoring better than a personal best listing kept on my very own LAN_MV.

6-- Any high Scores (Millllions of points or more, btw) doesn't necessarily compare to a truly implemented Economic Victory. If i managed to gather 50,000 BCs above someone who scored equal, we break even. Same principles apply to number of Ships, Planets, Mines, GA, SP, Quality & quantity of PIs, diplomatic status with all AIs that remain by game's end.

7-- Medals are an indication. Performance is a systematic attempt at growth as perceived from the individual player's POV.

 

and... so... on.

 

Quote For Truth, IIRC.

 

It isn't exactly what I would like either.  But that DOESN'T matter.  They have ONE guy, just ONE, who I'm sure has other stuff to do too, that can possibly, maybe, help us out depending on the issue.  We are NOT getting any code changes or nice new features.  We hope that maybe we can get everything that we listed, mostly be medals, making sure scores update correctly, and even possibly the Senator function, fixed.  And even then, we think those may be more forum related than MV, so we're not holding our breaths.

As for your points:

1.) I was pretty sure I-Mod Productions set up a ModMeta.  Mods are not made or supported by Stardock, why should they support them in a MV? Yes, they allow them, and even have a Library, but its always at the PLAYER'S discretion.

2.) Whereas I think being able to build and support a large empire for a long period of time, shows just as much skill as winning quickly.  i believe you had stated elsewhere that you thought faster wins should score higher.  Maybe so, but I think you'd be in the minority on that one. 

3.) Every game has its exploits.  Mario 3 had P-Wings that allowed you skip entire stages practically.  Its never gonna change, get over it.  There are exploits and there are cheaters, there IS a difference.

4.) I don't have a response on this one. Mostly because I don't know what you are talking about.

5.) Seems tons of people score high enough WITHOUT "score grinding", like this one new guy in the Kzinti Empire that got over 300K just by doing things right.  Nothing to scoff at.

6.) What constitutes an economic victory to you then, or military?  Where some one takes the time to use planetary invasion on every single planet in te galaxy and have Surrenders disabled?  I guess so, maybe, but who would play then? Its not that it couldn't be done, but there is playability issues.  Remember that most people are MUCH more casual players than some you may see around here.

7.) Medals are an acknowledgement of accomplishments.  To be honest, I don't pay too much attention to difficulty levels, I know that they aren't really a true indicator. But they are just for a person's own enjoyment.

and someone can QFT that

i'll do a bit better than that. Zyx, your points are interesting and insightful, but you're a little late to the game on this. and by "a little", i mean "a lot."

GC2 is 3+ years old now. for other games, official support would have been long dead by now. you should have spoke up 2.5 years ago, when people still actually cared. this thread is about HUMBLY asking SD to take care of a few broken features in the forums, NOT about making Zyx's perfect game. though if that game does ever come out, i might like to try it.

Dude..no changes are ever goona be made to suit one person. At least we have a collective voice that represents the top 2 Empires and some willey veterans.

We are not in here making silly suggestions to SD, we are just pointing out a few of their own features that are not working properly in the MV, as asked.

 

The MV is what it is. Live with it or install another game. We just want some tweaks, not rewrites.

Please find another thread to post your "How the MV should be changed to suit me" banter...

 

I'm pretty sure that Zyxpsilon meant no disrespect or insult to anyone and given his member number he's been around longer than I have.

I do know that he looks at things from a different and usually very interesting perspective but I do have to admit that I often have difficulty understanding his true point. Some of it is due to a difference in native language that is obscured because his usage of English seems so expert, but the cultural differences probably have a greater effect than the language differences.

In any case I have found in the past that if some reading of what he says is somehow interpreted negatively it's really not intended that way.

well, my apologies for being harsh. i do still feel his suggestions are well outside the scope of this thread's intent.

My point exactly. We don't need to sombard SD with a list of wish's which even given the smallest amount of thought one would realise are not going to be implemented.

We need to keep to a small set of fixes, like those already mentioned.

Summary.

Attention to Forum Medals that are not working. (Purple Heart, Achievements 6-9, Fleet Admiral, Author & Commenter)

Empire Senator functions.

Forum Stats.

Have i missed any?

Out of all the threads on this site i feel this one is most important to keep on topic.

Plus author and commenter medals.

Ty Mumble.

Edited.

I guess the list that Neilo posted (and edited) in reply #39 is pretty complete, however regarding Achievement 6-9 medals not working I'm not so sure that's actually the case. The question is were they ever defined to mean *anything* at all? AFAIK I've never seen anything that indicated that someone should have got one but didn't. Generally the only way to know what a medal is for is to see someone that has one and then read the mouseover. It seems more likely to me that Achievement 6-9 medals are merely undefined as opposed to "not working".

I know the intent of this is to merely "tweak" or explictly fix the MV but we did in fact lose the display of forum ranks in the major upgrade and I think my suggestion of defining Achievement 6-9 medals as the former forum ranks of Veteran, Diplomat, Ambassador and Governor is within the bounds of a "tweak".

What do folks think?

Sounds good to me, although I'd rather have the ranks displayed and the achievements really mean something from an in-game perspective.

 

But otherwise, neilos list looks complete, yes.

I have always maintained that the broken medals correspond to a games submitted medal, or close to it. Up until the 100 game winner medal it has been like that, a 100 games submitted medal and a 100 game winner medal.

There are also corresponding medals for 50 games won/submitted and for 5 games won/submitted.

Only achievment medal #3 differs as it is a 20 game winner which falls between the 15 and 25 games submitted medals.

Therefore i only think it is reasonable to assume that the broken medals follow a similar pattern, which is why i maintained that i thought i would have hit the number #6 at 250 games submitted and when i didnt i was near certain it would be at 500 games submitted.

As you can see below, it's stuck at medal #5.

If those medals have never been assigned any value i would rather they follow the pattern already established and tie in with the games submitted medals.

If their working i think i should have been someone to have got one, unless medal #6 is 1000 games, which is why i asked for some explantion of their value.

That being said im not against your idea mumble, i would also like commenters/posters medals to be attached to the rest of the MV medals.

Devs? You still paying attention?

 

Edit - i know this doesnt count but when will spell check be fixed on the forum????

Another two medals are needed actually, though this might be out side the scope of a tweak. There are no race medals for the Krynn and Korath and those medals will only activate or change under DL. There needs to be some updaing of the race medal for DA and ToA.

Ah... I guess it makes sense to follow an established pattern. It's certainly not anything I would know about from experience since over the course of 2+ years I've only submitted 13 MV games (excluding another 10 or so MVL games) and I lost most of those when I reset my main MV character. I doubt I will live long enough to ever get stuck at #5.

SD should have his own.

Even when a highly public scoring list of the very best players around is a result of exploits that aren't available (unless guessed or shared between the hierarchy of lucky champions only found in the1st place Empire?) to the competition.

Stuck in a single last planet or still HW after being crushed by resilient EVIL races until total defeat, doesn't register a PEACEFUL & ethically inclined scorer of Zero Points to a MV which favors the Cruels.

Stacking BCs --without having to suffer through the ruleset penalty barrier(s) of 50000BC... and being able to actually buy scoring points with the accumulated stash by game's end.

 

Sums it up.

Gotcha.

But, still, i dunno what the status of version 2.01__5 is between now and (say) next spring, i'd rather stick my neck up at the guillotine of progress for the risk and the odd ball chance that THEY just *might* consider backporting a few essential features of TA in DA or better yet, agree to work at some features when possible. You should see what i have planned & almost ready for X-Worlds' terraforming system and a true Enhanced Espionage context... none of it at compiled level but only through mod design 'opinions' & indirect code variations.

Last i heard, SD isn't going anywhere -- Elemental, Demi-God & possibly a GC3 (Hint!).

 

Twinkely tweak ibbilly soooo right, so.

Democracy is a majority. Individual opinions & suggestions are principles of freedom.

Vote on both.

But, calling my bantering is a bit over the top.

Alright, what a mess...

Call me dumb but: What is the fundamental difference between the MV and the ranking system it implements through the medal bars below?

So, i stand by my point, everything i suggested or commented about is far from indirectly hi-jacking this thread. Fix, tweak, correction, within the forums or linked by membership records of gameplay performance.