Getting up with few planets

I am just returning to TA with the new patch and recently started a new game on crippling. I wanted to try the new feature with the extreme planets to get a bit of a new experience. So i ran into the problem that all my enemies seem to progress in technology way faster than me (although tech brokering is off). Which means they have sped up colony ships, they rush the planets really fast and they even get the extreme colonization techs at horrendous speed so that the result is me owning a few planets while they are making a rag rug out of my territory. I quit that game but i ask myself if there is any possibility to get up again, even if they are that much ahead with planetary numbers. Maybe i am too conservative on getting my territory in one patch, should i send colony ships to all areas and just get more patches everywhere in the galaxy? Can i boost my military/diplomacy up with few planets to get some of them by my might? Influence sbs to flip them over?

Any chance to win this besides rushing colonies faster than them? The new extreme planet option does make colony rush much harder...

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hmmm, whereas I've been able to out-colonize everyone except the Krynn, Torians, and Terrans, even on the highest levels.  I do think the AI seems to be performing better, overall, in the latest beta.

I do know that in TA it is the first time where I've actually really had to fiddle with the Production Sliders throughout the game; overall, I tend to stick with a 1/49/50 but I've had it to switch it to 99% social, or 99% research depending on my needs at the moment.

Roughly how fast are you cranking out ships? In my last Immense Abundant; I was the Krynn and I had a set build structure- Factory, Starport, Consulate (20 econ, 20 influence), Temple of Krynn (20 morale, 20 influence), and then switch to a self-designed Colony Ship (i have my own designs at the Ion, Impulse III, and Warp V stages).  This gave me the economic, influence, and relatively speed to really get out there.

And I tech traded.  A lot.

 

Reply #2 Top

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARE YOU SAYING THAT TA IS STILL A BETA!!!!!!!!

IF IT IS A RETAIL GAME ALREADY, PLEASE SAY SO!!!!!!!

YOU CAN TELL BY THE BIG WRITING THAT I'M SHOCKED!!!!!!

Reply #3 Top

@Extant Faora:  Twilight of the Arnor is in RETAIL format; 1.96 is that last OFFICIAL Twilight version.

However, some users, myself included, are currently Beta-Testing the 2.0 Version. Of which the changes went, for this test at least, all to the TA version- thus making it TA 1.99c. The Beta is only available to those that have purchased TA and through the use of the Impulse. It is not available through SDC.

Sometime next month, unless further Beta testing is deemed necessary (and knowing Stardock, they like to add even more goodies before release, its more likely it will be after Thanksgiving at earliest), the 2.0 version will be released. 

Galactic Civilizations II 2.0 will be the 'final' culmination of all the past few years of hard work and two expansion packs.  There will be no more expansions.  There WILL be patch updates if/as needed.

Reply #4 Top

PHEEEEEEEEEEEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a load off.

I was scared there for a moment.

And I'm sorry for your testing in vain.

Whenever I have tried to update my game, my computer crashes.

So I won't be able to get the update (Yet).

Reply #5 Top

Digressing, that is a cool avatar!!!

:cylon:

Reply #6 Top

So the colony rush is definitely a need to get up? That means i really need to get everything at getting out colony ships @ first. Okay maybe i have to improve that part of my game. Is your initial territory one that is connected or do you try to get as many planets as possible in different patches to melt them together later in the game? Actually my other games were based on getting as much planets in the neighbourhood as possible but the extreme planets setting makes that a bit hard.

Reply #7 Top

Quoting di55ec7ion, reply 6
So the colony rush is definitely a need to get up? That means i really need to get everything at getting out colony ships @ first. Okay maybe i have to improve that part of my game. Is your initial territory one that is connected or do you try to get as many planets as possible in different patches to melt them together later in the game? Actually my other games were based on getting as much planets in the neighbourhood as possible but the extreme planets setting makes that a bit hard.

I try to get the best planets (higher PQ) and worry less about position.  Having a cohesive territory is less important than in many other TBS games.  Just watch out for culture flipping!

Kzinti empire2.JPG Sentient species taste better...

Reply #8 Top

Yeah..grab anything around you bigger than PQ10 first. i try and keep my colonization circular around me, maybe 2 to 3 sectors out from my HW, then i work back in. Once you get a few planets you dont need to worry about the AI and the fact they took alot of the smaller PQ worlds inside your circle you created, you will flip them very easily, and/or you will be able to trade for them quiet easily too.

Of course just going and taking them as early in the game as possible works too. The AI is so geared toward the colony rush for the first year they are not very adept in switching to war mode.

I'll have to get back to playing some classic games...i miss the fun factor.

:cylon:

 

Edit - Spelling

 

Reply #9 Top

LOL!!!!

I feel for you there mate.

However I am acctually getting used to the DA system, and I am begining to find that the DL system is a bit lacking.

All in all, DA is more interesting.

(Hello Tippster, EH?)

Reply #10 Top

I've found it's a bit of a balancing act. 

My first few games I always fell short in the colonization dept, so I made it a priority to go build up a big research inftrastructure and grab Aquatic / Extreme colonization ASAP.  That actually works pretty well, provided you're not next door to a Drengin, or other uber-hostile race.  Even then, you get a pretty solid grace period as a head start.  If you're the first to land a given Extreme type, you usually get a tremendous advantage due to sheer land mass ( since those planets tend to be much higher PQ than the initial ones ), and you will quickly make up the early-game losses you might have incurred due to colony rushing.

But.  I have also found you need to know when to stop.  You get such a huge boost from that first colonization effort that it's tempting to keep going and colonize the other world types as fast as you can.  The problem is that new colonies are a massive drain on your economy, and if you're trying to develop 6 or 7 startups at once, it's pretty easy to get into major debt.  I found myself completely stretched thin, and paying whatever I had just to get Economic Improvements up, which left me in really rough shape when that first "your d00dz have assisinated the other d00dz emperor" event hit.  ( Could you tell them to hold off the Veangence till I've paid off these barren rocks? )

Plus, you get to a certain point in the game where territorylines become pretty solid, and colonizing that juicy High Gravity World at the back of another race's sector becomes pretty sketchy.  A ) It's far away from your support, so hard to develop B ) It's really really close to his worlds, so easy for him to invade and C ) you're fighting an uphill Influence battle the whole time.  You'll probably have to Culture Bomb just to keep your planet from rebelling.  The way I see it, colonizing one of those worlds is pretty much a "fuck you" to the other race; I view it as a backdoor way to start a war, rather than a reliable means to get more planets.

As for when the "colony rush" is over and the trenches begin, I dunno.  Have to feel it out I guess, I can't think of a particular transition point.  But the better you you do in the initial colony rush, the more "safe" planets within your grasp you'll have later on to grab when you have time.  I suppose some people will be good enough that they can just go balls-out colonizing the whole game, but I haven't been able to play it that way.

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Can someone tell me why I can't access my smileys???

Is it just me or is this happening forum-wide???

I'm a Smiley Nazi and I need help!!!

Reply #12 Top

I'm also a Tech Whore.

That's where I get huge boosts of income from.

It permits me to keep colonizing for a long time before I go into an acctual deficit.