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Philly0381
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Here comes the next OS from Microsoft

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September 29, 2008 11:37:26 AM from WinCustomize ForumsWinCustomize Forums

Not doing to this start up the OS flame wars but found this and thought members of the community might like to comment. 

It seems that just a short time ago we were all talking about the new OS that was about to be released called Vista.  Now here comes Windows 7.  Yes I know it's probably more than a year away but that really means that beta testers will probably have it in thier hands within 8 to 10 months or sooner.

Really seems to me that this is not long enough for Vista to have worked out what ever problems were still there.  I wonder if this is a reaction to consumer acceptence or just Microsoft wanting to put Vista on the shelf?  Or, is this just Vista with a new look (lets put a new dress on the girl and see if anyone asks her out)? 

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080929-windows-7-to-finally-go-public-in-late-october.html

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Reply #1 September 29, 2008 11:44:15 AM
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meh.

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Reply #2 September 29, 2008 11:55:30 AM
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I'd wager it's at least partly a reaction to the widespread gripe about Vista. I mean, even by next October that's still not nearly enough time for Vista to become mainstream and "settle in" as it were. They probably want to push something new on the market and hope its reception is better. The arstechnica article pretty much says the same thing, they're keeping quiet-er about it and want to make sure it delivers on expectations

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Reply #3 September 29, 2008 11:56:46 AM
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They better do it right this time, and get the bugs out of it before they release it.

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Reply #4 September 29, 2008 12:31:51 PM
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Indeed. Hope this ones an upgrade. Vista is pretty good os, but not not as good as it could have.

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Reply #5 September 29, 2008 12:40:34 PM
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microsoft operating systems are like star trek movies: only every other one is good.

/joke

i do hope to see an OS with the (few, small) advantages Vista offers but none of the bloat. i've been holding on to my XP keys until then. it's not so much that i'm opposed to a higher memory footprint. that's inevitable. i just don't need or want Aero. i'll get products from Stardock to make my desktop look prettier, if i decide i want that.

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Reply #6 September 29, 2008 12:41:13 PM
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Well, they're due a good desktop operationg system...

  • Windows 3.1: good.
  • Windows 95: bad
  • Windows 98: good
  • Windows Millenium: bad
  • Windows XP: good
  • Windows Vista: bad
  • Windows 7: good??????????
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Reply #7 September 29, 2008 12:50:56 PM
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Quoting Xiandi,
reply 3
They better do it right this time, and get the bugs out of it before they release it.

I'd make a bet that it will be another "Wait for SP1 or its suicide" affair, but its so foregone I doubt anyone would take me up on it.

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Reply #8 September 29, 2008 1:11:34 PM
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I'd make a bet that it will be another "Wait for SP1 or its suicide" affair, but its so foregone I doubt anyone would take me up on it.

Given the track record of Microsoft I tend to think Windows 7 will be much better out of the gate then Vista was.  So I guess I'll take the bet. 

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Reply #9 September 29, 2008 2:15:42 PM
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Quoting mad_axeman,
reply 6

Windows Millenium: bad

Actually, it's supposed to be "worst"   

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Reply #10 September 29, 2008 3:11:30 PM
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They better do it right this time, and get the bugs out of it before they release it.

This is Microsoft.  When have they ever done that?  I think that goes against their corporate mission statement.

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Reply #11 September 29, 2008 3:13:27 PM
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Quoting Pixeleo,
reply 9

Quoting mad_axeman, reply 6
Windows Millenium: bad

Actually, it's supposed to be "worst"   

 

Hm. I reserve that honor for 98, the buggiest piece of crap I ever ran. I had way fewer problems with 95.

 

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Reply #12 September 29, 2008 4:23:19 PM
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Quoting stykman22,
reply 10

This is Microsoft.  When have they ever done that?

Windows XP  

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Reply #13 September 29, 2008 4:45:24 PM
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Windows XP

Hence the three service packs?

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Reply #14 September 29, 2008 4:45:27 PM
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98 wasn't too bad.  And Me could have been good if more HW companies had put out drivers for it.  Stupid OF MS of couse to put it out *requiering* new drivers when 98 worked and XP was on the horizon.

Both XP and Vista have been solid for me.  Vista more than XP truth-be-told.  It rarely if ever has crashed after the 2nd week of install.

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Reply #15 September 29, 2008 4:47:02 PM
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Vista is fine once you get over your fear of upgrading. (in my opinion as always)

Windows 7 is not supposedly being released early. It's on the scheduled timetable. Vista was supposed to be released much earlier but got postponed and people got comfy with XP. Microsoft has always been releasing operating systems every 3 years (or around there); the only discrepancy was between XP and Vista (however, SP2 was a major Service Pack akin to what Apple does for their OS X when the next version is out. Also there have been some reworkings of XP such as Media Center, and let's not forget their Windows Mobile OS).

In general I think Microsoft gets a lot of flak unjustifiably, because of their negative mega-corporation image. I mean, Vista launched with compatibility support far greater than XP (if my sources as correct) yet it was hailed as a disaster. XP on its launch date had been utterly terrible!

Oh and on a side-note Microsoft provides training videos for free on their website while Apple charges for them! Who's nasty now?

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Reply #16 September 29, 2008 4:47:46 PM
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And so the flame war he didn't want to start....begins

 

Sorry Philly

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Reply #17 September 29, 2008 5:31:45 PM
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Why flame war? Nobody is accusing anybody. Everybody's stating facts as best as they know them.

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Reply #18 September 29, 2008 5:47:20 PM
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I read on a MS web site that a blind study was done( Vista renamed to "Mohave") and had 100 users compare it with XP.The overwhelming majority liked the the "new" OS they assumed was Windows 7.What they were actually using was a much better running,finely tuned version of Vista.This study was done in Cal about one and 1/2 months ago.Most said they would switch to the "new" OS but thought Vista was junk. If I can find the link I will post it.as I beleive it was a genuine article.

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Reply #19 September 29, 2008 5:51:01 PM
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Quoting stykman22,
reply 13

Windows XP

Hence the three service packs?

From Wikipedia's Windows 7 article:

After the 2003 "Summer of Worms", where three major viruses − Blaster, Sobig, and Welchia − exploited flaws in Windows operating systems within a short time period, Microsoft changed its development priorities, putting some of Longhorn's major development work on hold in order to develop new service packs for Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 that included a number of new security and safety features

The service packs were to improve security. It wasn't their fault that some people created viruses right after XP's release. 

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Reply #20 September 29, 2008 5:55:08 PM
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Quoting Wizard1956,
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( Vista renamed to "Mohave")

Yeah, the Mojave Experiment, I saw that.

I believe there was a skeptic guy who, when told the truth that it was Vista, said, "Then why is it fast?"

Got a great laugh from it, but it proved how little people actually knew Vista  

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Reply #21 September 29, 2008 6:58:29 PM
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Quoting Pixeleo,
reply 9

Quoting mad_axeman, reply 6
Windows Millenium: bad

Actually, it's supposed to be "worst"   

 

 

Hm. I reserve that honor for 98, the buggiest piece of crap I ever ran. I had way fewer problems with 95.

 While not technically an OS, BOB was the worst thing that microsoft put out.

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Reply #22 September 29, 2008 7:36:05 PM
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I remember when I upgraded from Win98 to XP, I sighed with big relief because my old computer was no longer crashing every ten minutes with a blue screen... I was actually afraid to turn on my pc and save anything on it 'cause the big ol' crashes would take all my data away with them.  It was like a miracle for an application not to crash XP and just shut down without affecting the PC!

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Reply #23 September 29, 2008 9:29:22 PM
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Everyone forgot about Win 98 SE.

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Reply #24 September 29, 2008 10:02:08 PM
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And Windows 2000, that was missing from that list as well.

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Reply #25 September 29, 2008 10:28:05 PM
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I'm with Zubaz. Most of the difficulty with Vista early on, and what generated the most complaints was its rather poor compatibility with older hardware. Eventually that was fixed, but between its considerably higher memory usage (Aero, anyone?) and the old hardware compatibility issues, most of the damage has been done and Vista was since thought of as crappy.

In reality, I've found it very stable (I got it along with a PC upgrade, so all my stuff was new). I had no big issues with XP either. Many people prefer the less flashy interface of XP and the lower memory usage is a definite advantage, but still the current version of Vista is not at all a bad OS

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