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McCain's an idiot

September 24, 2008 6:47:16 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/24/campaign.wrap/index.html

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Reply #1 September 24, 2008 7:17:18 PM
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LOL I'm glad to see you agree! I don't know what kind of tactic it is but it sure is bizarre isn't it? Canceling a presidential debate in such a big year...

Let's hope he decides to go through with the debate on Friday.

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Reply #2 September 24, 2008 7:23:04 PM
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One more thing I forgot to add-

"Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain announced Wednesday that he is suspending his campaign to return to Washington and focus on the "historic" crisis facing the U.S. economy."

Just a few days ago the fundamentals of the economy were strong, no?

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Reply #3 September 24, 2008 7:48:12 PM
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Wow, I think he just shot himself in the foot big time. I understand that he was getting desperate but...this is really impressive.

 

I know what he was aiming for here, which was to show he was going to put America before politics but his execution couldn't be worse. This ones probablly going to blow up in his face.

 

I could be wrong and this somehow win him votes but I seriously doubt it. I suppose if it does everyone will be talking about how brilliant this move was and in the future we might see other canidates doing it.

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Reply #4 September 24, 2008 8:04:44 PM
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I'd like to offer the other side of the argument:

he's showing a responsibility to his CURRENT elected office by being there for the Congressional Sessions.  The Debate can easily be moved to DC where the Sessions are being held, it's not the other way.

A more important question is why does Obama feel it's ok to miss out on such important sessions?  What else would he be willing to miss out as the President because it didn't fit his political agenda?

There's absolutely no reason to skimp out on your current job to look for something better.
Brad: if one of your management types started skipping work to go interview elsewhere, how would you feel?

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Reply #5 September 24, 2008 8:08:46 PM
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Obama:  "If they need me, they will call me" - referring to Pelosi and Reid.

Enough said....

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Reply #6 September 24, 2008 8:31:54 PM
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That is the most impressive political maneuver I have ever seen, and I think it will win him the election.

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Reply #7 September 24, 2008 8:37:42 PM
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Have you guys ever heard of FALSE DILEMMA?

You can do both, taking a couple of hours to have the most important debate in many many years won't hurt anything.

Stall tactic

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Reply #8 September 24, 2008 8:41:30 PM
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he's showing a responsibility to his CURRENT elected office by being there for the Congressional Sessions

Candidates attendance record

McCain: 64.1% votes missed

Obama: 45.9% votes missed

Still way to much votes missed by Obama (he's third in the top-five and the second one Tim Johnson has a pretty good excuse), but this clearly shows that being in congress has not been the top priority for the candidates.

Source: Washington Post

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Reply #9 September 24, 2008 8:47:49 PM
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Quoting Littleboy,
comment 8


he's showing a responsibility to his CURRENT elected office by being there for the Congressional Sessions
Candidates attendance record
McCain: 64.1% votes missed
Obama: 45.9% votes missed
Still way to much votes missed by Obama (he's third in the top-five and the second one Tim Johnson has a pretty good excuse), but this clearly shows that being in congress has not been the top priority for the candidates.
Source: Washington Post

How many years was this counting for?

Obama got elected to office and announced his Canidacy for President within a year... so he's missed 50% of his 2 years.

McCain got elected into Office in 1986... which means that he's been in office longer then people who are voting...

It's quite obvious where the distinct difference is between less then 2 years, and 22 years.  next you'll tell me Obama voted against Iraq (which happened before he was in office), right?

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Reply #10 September 24, 2008 8:48:19 PM
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Quoting Littleboy,

he's showing a responsibility to his CURRENT elected office by being there for the Congressional Sessions
Candidates attendance record
McCain: 64.1% votes missed
Obama: 45.9% votes missed
Still way to much votes missed by Obama (he's third in the top-five and the second one Tim Johnson has a pretty good excuse), but this clearly shows that being in congress has not been the top priority for the candidates.
Source: Washington Post

 

Was just going to look up those facts to show how much responsibility McCain really takes in his current job

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Reply #11 September 24, 2008 8:53:25 PM
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Quoting CaesarsGhost,

Littleboycomment 8 he's showing a responsibility to his CURRENT elected office by being there for the Congressional SessionsCandidates attendance recordMcCain: 64.1% votes missedObama: 45.9% votes missedStill way to much votes missed by Obama (he's third in the top-five and the second one Tim Johnson has a pretty good excuse), but this clearly shows that being in congress has not been the top priority for the candidates.Source: Washington Post
How many years was this counting for?
Obama got elected to office and announced his Canidacy for President within a year... so he's missed 50% of his 2 years.
McCain got elected into Office in 1986... which means that he's been in office longer then people who are voting...
It's quite obvious where the distinct difference is between less then 2 years, and 22 years.  next you'll tell me Obama voted against Iraq (which happened before he was in office), right?

 

I'm not sure what this is argueing, they've both been running for prez for the same ammount of time, Obama has voted more than McCain in that time.

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Reply #12 September 24, 2008 9:00:02 PM
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Quoting emximer,
reply 7
Have you guys ever heard of FALSE DILEMMA?

You can do both, taking a couple of hours to have the most important debate in many many years won't hurt anything.

Stall tactic

False dilema, political gold.

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Reply #13 September 24, 2008 9:06:33 PM
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Quoting CaesarsGhost,

I'd like to offer the other side of the argument:
he's showing a responsibility to his CURRENT elected office by being there for the Congressional Sessions.  The Debate can easily be moved to DC where the Sessions are being held, it's not the other way.
A more important question is why does Obama feel it's ok to miss out on such important sessions?  What else would he be willing to miss out as the President because it didn't fit his political agenda?
There's absolutely no reason to skimp out on your current job to look for something better.Brad: if one of your management types started skipping work to go interview elsewhere, how would you feel?

 

I see its already working. Its a win win situation for McCain really, unless Obama comes up with a very clever response or something else to distract people. It will be the first thing McCain does if the debate happens is bring up that he wanted to be doing his job not sitting there talking. Instant hit for him.

 

This is just a political stunt, it would be even if Obama did it. Neither of them has been there throughout this crisis and chances are good neither one of them would or will even vote on it.  This is the reason we haven't had a Senator elected since Kennedy, too much of a paper trail. I guess how effective it is depends on how many people realize its political.

 

And as others point out they can do both. But chances are good neither one of them will go there after the debate, because they aren't going to vote.

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Reply #14 September 24, 2008 11:55:39 PM
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I think I know why you think he is an idiot Draginol, but can you tell us why?

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Reply #15 September 25, 2008 1:15:12 AM
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Don't be so sure of that. While Obama rehearses his red sea parting voice for 3 days, McCain is rushing to Washington to work on an economic crisis. Is it a gamble? Probably, but if McCain gets positive results its not all that dumb.

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Reply #16 September 25, 2008 11:22:12 AM
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Obama has voted more than McCain in that time.

I forgot voting Present counts as a vote.

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Reply #17 September 25, 2008 11:29:37 AM
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So it's on friday that we will know if this move was a smart one or not right?

 

Sorry but I just wanted to clear this up. If McCain said he suspended his campaign, that means he won't show up on friday. What will they do then? Show Obama talking to himself? Or just say Obama won?

 

Oh and what does this suspension mean for Sarah? Is she just gonna sit back and continue managing alaska?

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Reply #18 September 26, 2008 12:57:34 PM
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Quoting Anthony R,

Don't be so sure of that. While Obama rehearses his red sea parting voice for 3 days, McCain is rushing to Washington to work on an economic crisis. Is it a gamble? Probably, but if McCain gets positive results its not all that dumb.

Rushing to Washington or doing an interview with Couric in a studio?

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Reply #19 September 26, 2008 1:00:48 PM
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26900453/

 

It's obvious he realized what a stupid move he made, and will go ahead with the debate

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Reply #20 September 26, 2008 2:23:07 PM
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It's obvious he realized what a stupid move he made, and will go ahead with the debate

This really is the election of who wants to LOSE the most.

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Reply #21 September 26, 2008 3:45:00 PM
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"Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain announced Wednesday that he is suspending his campaign to return to Washington and focus on the "historic" crisis facing the U.S. economy." Just a few days ago the fundamentals of the economy were strong, no?

Ah, who knew? The economic fundamentals show we weren't technically in a recession and the Feds were warning of a slowdown but not of an ecomonic Pearl Harbor.  

Who understood the true depth of the greed on Wall Street and the excesses on Main Street before this? Find them and we'll be getting somewhere...and you can start with 2 of Obama's present advisors who were part and parcel of the Wall Street problem.

Who of the two, McCain or Obama, has been advocating we CHANGE the way we tax taxpayers and spend their money? Check out McCain's record.....he's not been bought by special interests, or lobbyists....Not one dime. Yet, over the past few years, Obama received 860 million in earmarks. As an attachment to the Defense bill, Biden just received 51.5 million in earmark spending for Delaware.

 

 

 

 

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Reply #22 September 26, 2008 3:55:01 PM
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Emeximer posts #1

I don't know what kind of tactic it is but it sure is bizarre isn't it?

Knock, knock, neither Obama nor McCain gave up their senate seat to run for President. That means they are still getting paid to do their job....so, since when is it a tactic or bizarre for a Senator whos' running on "Country first" to mean what he says and say what he means when warned that an economic crisis  is at hand to return to Washington to do his job?

 

 

 

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Reply #23 September 26, 2008 4:45:35 PM
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Quoting lulapilgrim,

Emeximer posts #1 I don't know what kind of tactic it is but it sure is bizarre isn't it?
Knock, knock, neither Obama nor McCain gave up their senate seat to run for President. That means they are still getting paid to do their job....so, since when is it a tactic or bizarre for a Senator whos' running on "Country first" to mean what he says and say what he means when warned that an economic crisis  is at hand to return to Washington to do his job?
 

Yes, he put country first in a political stunt that accomplished nothing, if anything hurt the whole process. McCain also put country first when he pissed 64% of votes in the senate, more than any other senator.....

Not to mention he won the debate! before it happened!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/images/26Sep_Friday_WSJ.JPG

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Reply #24 September 26, 2008 4:47:50 PM
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Quoting emximer,


Yes, he put country first in a political stunt that accomplished nothing, if anything hurt the whole process. McCain also put country first when he pissed 64% of votes in the senate, more than any other senator.....

 

meant to be missed, not pissed.

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Reply #25 September 26, 2008 4:52:38 PM
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meant to be missed, not pissed.

Same thing in this case.

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