No, they most certainly do not.  The suckitude is equally spread across their smiling, empty faces.

McCain was as involved in the Keating scandal (if not more so) than Obama has ties to Mr. Ayers . . .

Palin's husband belonged to the Seccesionist party, and seccession is treason . . .

I maintain - ALL FOUR OF THEM SHOULD BE THROWN OUT ON THEIR ASSES.

I did not do the math, just took the article at its word.  They showed the years, just not the dates (It was a Time Article on her).

it's all good. Didn't mean to imply you didn't do the math but only to provide information for ya.

There was actually a second part that was interesting that I chose not to write about.  Mainly because I'm not able to find the case to be legitimate.  It is Phillip Berg vs Barack Obama about his Natural Born Citizenship which at the time Barack Obama II was born would make him only a Naturalized Citizen not a Natural Born Citizen.  Not sure if you have heard much about it.  I found out that Berg was a hillary supporter when he filed in August 2008.

My understaning is the court threw out the case.

This is what I said to the last person who brought this up to me... while I oppose obama's political views, it doesn't matter where he was born, he was born to a mother who was born in the USA. (now if he was really born outside of the USA, then to retain their natural born status his own children must be born in the USA. Second generation born outside of a country don't get a natural born citizenship. But they can become naturalized)

Phillip Berg is a nutcase:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/01/philip-j-berg-nutbar-supreme.html

LGF have a notice on it:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31653_Lets_Stick_to_Facts_Please

And the entire birth certificate thing has been busted some time ago:

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5626

Seems to like Phil Berg is suing Obama not because he has doubts about his citizenship but because Berg simply sues anyone saner than himself.

Ok, I checked up more about the issue and it seems I am wrong on this one. He is probably not a natural born citizen. In fact a democratic atturny is suing on this regard...

there were some accusations of both obama and mccain not being natural born... McCain immidiately produced all papers, obama did not, only to eventually have a picture show up on his website, one that is clearly fake. And another DIFFERENT one show up on factcheck.org (an organization which has strong ties to him... monetary ties).

He is guilty of so many other crimes that I am not even surprised at this anymore.

well... the guy suing is making those points:

1. Rather then provide a judge with his authentic COLB (and be done with it) he has filed a motion to suppress.

2. Has confirmed the KOB released certificate to be authentic, when it is clearly a low grade forgery.

3. Had to have given up his american citizenship to attend school when he was a kid.

4. He says obama's grandma says she was there when he was born in kenya, obama said he was born in a hospital in hawaii, obama's sister said he was born in another hospital in hawaii (not the same one).

So lets see, 1 is not being denied by anyone, and unless this is a gotcha move (where he produces it in the last minute to discredit them) than he is only hurting himself. 2 is something you can confirm yourself (and I did). 3 I do not understand enough about to give a verdict. 4, this one is hearsay, he said she said. Did they really say that? does he have proof that they said that?

The big red flag is the endorsement of an obviously fake certificate. Anyone, with a teeny bit of photo editing skills OR a bit of background research can find it to be fake, there are so many different things that are wrong with it...

Either that, or it is a very fake looking original. Or rather... original certified copy. Since it was produced in Jun 6 2007 using a laser printer with 11/01 format. Maybe there has been some confusion of definitions (original vs fake used by some, while others mean original vs copy)

Interesting, thanks for the info.

But seeing as I am an open minded individual (I was taught a person should have a liberal mindset... and that liberal means "an open minded individual who beleives in good", I kept the mindset but discarded the party association).. I wan't to judge his claims, not his own varacity as a speaker. Crazy people were right about things before.

No matter how much I disagree with an opinion, I look at the facts claimed by the individual to try and verify them or counter them. (which is why I would argue with bigots instead of dismissing them as racist to begin with; this gives me peace of mind knowing how faulty their arguments are, and that I am not deluding myself in the name of so called goodness).

As far as I can see now, the "best case scenario" is that obama released a certified copy of his birth certificate. Then his campaign confirmed it was "original", and original was taken as "the originally created document" and not "an original certified copy produced in 2007; with some minor issues".

This is one possible counter for point #2. The other is that the person claiming it to be authentic is lying. People have done that before. I am personally surprised that there is no comitee / judge verification of a person prerequisites before they even attempt to run for presidency.

As for

Although, in retrospect, even if somehow he is right though (a nut can still be right about things, by coincidence) it is better for this to be settled by election and not on a technicality.

Maybe the best thing that can happen to the US right now is obama demolishing the ecnomy, resulting in a great depression, and an "awakening" of sorts... But that is a big maybe.

Or maybe obama or mccain would be elected and end up fulfilling none of their promises...

If I recall stories of the man correctly, Jesus was very much into giving one's own money to help the poor. I don't think he was known for taking other people's money (who knows what they would have done with it) to help the poor.

There are two forms of Christianity: self-Christianity (you give to the poor) and projected Christianity (you think others should give to the poor). Jesus was probably more a supporter of the first type.

Who would he vote for? Considering Obama's support for very late abortions and his association with racist preachers, I would doubt that Jesus would vote for him.