And who is to say that we should have those laws on the books?  Personally I don't think that suicide should be considered a crime, certainly not doctor assisted suicide for terminally ill patients.  I also think that some, not all, drugs should be legalized.

What a great Idea, Suck the brains out of the head of a newborn baby, on THE OFF CHANCE there MIGHT be some kind of CURE for SOMETHING, maybe! Just punch a nice neat hole in the head right through the undformed part of the skull of the newborn because that's the path of least resistance, then crank up the DYSON and suck them brains right out! try not to look at the babies eyes as life dies, because it does not have a clue what is happening to it, but what the heck there is just a slight chance that maybe one day possibly in some point in the future after enough childrens brains are sucked out of their living skulls there will be a cure for something, maybe! could be. They hope! But even if thwey are wrong look at all the fun they have killing all those babies in the name of science with no punishment, But I would hate having to explain that to G-D, "but, but, but G-D I was just following orders. HMMMMMM   where have I heard that before?

I'm with ya' Moderateman...oh, wait....you were being sarcastic.
Gotta love science!  Hey, could you be a little more graphic for us as if that stuff happens?
Do you understand what stem-cell research actually is all about?

From what I understand (and it's not much) adult stem cells have been more productive or promising in comparison to what they know about embryonic.  So if we can use adult stem cell, then we should and leave those babies alone. 

It's pretty interesting how many on the left champion the rights of the mothers and the use of their bodies but yet totally disregard the bodies of these little humans who are not allowed to speak up for themselves. 

Just doesn't make any sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_liberalism_in_the_United_States

"If by a 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties — someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal." - John F. Kennedy

I sincerely wonder if those that use the term Liberal know what they are talking about.

Let's see my  Webster's New World dictionary says:

n. individualist, insurgent, rebel, radical, progressive, leftist, revolutionary, nonconformist, independent, reformer, socialist, eccentric, freethinker, left-winger.

So you can take the dictionary or you can take the leftist's  socialist adulterous President's definition. 

or you can take my definition "tumbleweed" which seems to fit as well. 

It's ridiculous to say that the Republicans don't care about the welfare of people, their health and housing when in fact it's been proven that Conservatives are bigger individual givers than their Liberal counterparts are. 

The research and experimentation differs between the two due to the development of the cells.  Embryonic cells have that ability to be provided genetic stimulation to form specific systems in the human body.  Adult stem cells are more difficult to find that are pluripotent.  Although it is possible to extract such stem cells from an adult host, the embryonic stem cell research has proven much more effective and valuable for those samples.  If we want to make quick advances and make the most of the funding for this practice, the most efficient method for pulling out those pluripotent cells is through embryonic testing.  Adult stem cells have the ability to still be differentiated but usually within a similar bodily system or only that specific system from which it was extracted.

I'm more concerned of the innate prejudice of labeling ones or other's philosophies on trivial notions...its splitting Americans by splitting hairs.

oh, I think it's more than hairs being split here.......I think baby parts for one.    And to me that's not trivial. 

Kurtin, I'd like to respond to what you said, but first I want to research the diff between the two before I do. 

You were correct in your previous that response that I quoted from, KFC, so I wasn't trying to contradict your statement in that aspect at all.  Adult stem cells that are extracted have produced more in terms of results with stem cell research and quicker benefits.  I was simply pointing out that there is a difference between what we can learn from and experiment with using embryonic stem cell research.

I am a conservative who was on the fence, slighty for obama, but the sarah palin pick made me run from McCain.

1)See my big problem with Palin is that her daughter had a baby out of wedlock at 17 year old.  I know if Obama had that going on he would be teared to shreds by the media. The other thing is that she seems to be a more of the same liar politician. She seemed to cover up for her daughter, b/c that baby with down syndrome is not hers, its her daughters.  She pulled her daughter from school for 8 months with a mystery illness before the baby was born, and there was never proof of a pregnant palin, no pictures or nothing, as well as no hospital records to substantiate her claim. Do I care that her daughters is a whore, no, but I do care whne Palin tries to cover it up, b/c she is a more of the same liar politician.  The funny thing is the daughter carries the baby more than the father which implies to me it is not his child.

2) As a pro lifer it drives me crazy, lets get this straight when Sarah Palin daughter has babies it nobodys business, "its a family matter" but when 3 million other women get pregnant like palins dauhter its a national issue and we can talk about it and stop these women from having abortions.  I am anti abortion but I am also anti-hypcrosy.

3) Obama wife is unpatriotic for making a minor slip of the toungue, evern if she really meant it that she was never proud of america, ok lets get her for that fine. But Palin's husband is a DUI convicted criminal, which I don't really care about, but he was part of a party that wants to succede from the United States of America, isn't that unpatriotic, where is the republican outrage.  It thinsg like this that makes me hate republicans almost as much as I hate democrats.

The truth is this, there is no real law, there needs to be a constitutional amendment set by congress either giving a right to abort, or banning abortion, otherwise there will be no end to this debate.  The issue is just not addressed in the constitution plain and simple.  We can give rights to animals but not to unborn babies, funny or sad?

WOW!  A real koolaid drinker!  Can you post some more seminar points from Obama?

Yeah well If you are a republican and have 1 million dollars and I am a democrat and I have 45,000 dollars and we both want to give money who do you think will be the higher individual giver.  I mean are you serious....I listen to you guys here all the time complain about how democrats are mostly, lazy, poor people who want everything for nothing.  So if they dont have anything to give how can democrats even hold a fork to republicans when they are hording most of the cash.

WOW!  Just wow!  Lots of rumors, judgments and assumptions here wouldn't you say?  What rumor train did you get on?  You need to get off at the next stop because you're going on a ride to nowhere.  You're looking pretty foolish on this trip I might add. 

If one of Obama's daughters got pregnant at 17 most likely a quiet abortion would have taken place.  Therefore the media may never have known about it.  And if they did, seeing the media is pro-abort, I don't think it would get much press. 

Oh and Sarah's daughter being pregnant is NOT your problem in the first place.   

I wish you wouldn't advertise this because you put other pro-lifers in not such a good light.

well you've got a point....that pretty much sums it up......except you're forgetting about the Hollywood Elite. 

 Most of them are Dems and pull in plenty of dough.  I wouldn't exactly put them on a list of those working hard for their millions.   Much of it going to support their own.  Look at Obama.  He just raked in $66 mill this last month.   He got more than McCain did by far.  But then again, the Hellywood elite wouldn't go for the likes of McCain/Palin.....Oprah has just proven that point lately. 

Huh?  Now I'm not going to argue that much of that post was true or coherent, but did you really just tell him to shut up because he was putting you "in not such a good light" (in other words, making you look like the hypocrite you are)?  Why isn't Palin's daughter's pregnancy any of my business?  Palin choose to put her family in the spot light and choose to support abstinence only education -- seems to me like her daughter represents the perfect example of her public policy failures.  Since she's running for public office, it seems like those public policy failures should be what everyone is talking about.

Percentage wise Moose.  Conservatives give a higher percentage to charity than do liberals. So the $1 million guy gave $250,000, while the $45,000 gave only $100.

Have you seen the figures for Obama and Biden?  Shameful by any standard.

and that's exactly why I said what I did.

because it isn't........why do you think it is? 

We're not voting for Bristol Palin.  We're voting for Sarah Palin.  She still supports abstinence.  What does one have to do with another?  Sarah's not changed her mind.  In fact this may even strengthen her belief.....in both mother and daughter.  Her daughter may even agree with the abstinence message but fell under the pressure of the moment.  It happens. 

Obviously one part of that message wasn't heeded and that is....."don't put yourself in a compromising situation." 

When Clinton was in office I didn't hold Chelsey's actions against him.   So how does that make me a hypocrite?  (and I would like an answer to your judgment of me here.)  Or is it Shades you just like to play devil's advocate against me no matter what I say?   Because that's exactly what you do, no matter, when, where or what I say. 

You can still believe in abstinence and find yourself in the heat of the moment in trouble.  Heck, you can be on BC and find yourself pregnant.  It happens.  It may or may not change your view.

I know a family with five daughters.  They always spoke and taught abstinence.  Well one decided not to adhere to her family's belief and moved in with her boyfriend after high school.  Does that mean her parents failed? 

I don't think so.  Why do you? 

You are a hypocrite on this issue because when it suits you teen pregnancy is a private matter for the family to deal with and when it doesn't follow your own personal policy preferences it should be legislated (ie, a very public matter).  I find the whole issue of Palin's daughter to be hypocritcal from the Conservative Christians point of view -- is premartial sex a sin or is it okay as long as you keep the baby and can use the example to forward the pro-life movement?

Oh, KFC, are you feeling convicted? (words you said to me only last week) 

Please, get over yourself.  I hardly ever comment on this site so I am not hounding you or following you around on all your articles.  You have written hundreds of articles that I haven't bothered to comment on.  I vehemently disagree with just about everything you say --and I only comment on a handful of your stuff.  You'd be amazed at the amount of restraint I demonstrate.

I just explained this in my last reply, but I'll explain it again.  Palin is running for a public office which will help to shape public policy.  One of her policies is abstinence only education.  Her daughter demonstrates (acutely) the failure of her policy and thus, her failure as a policy maker. 

Do I think that normal teen pregnancies are family matter? Yes. Do I think that Palin put herself and her policy positions (and therefore her daughter) in the spot light?  Definitely.

I'm all for teaching abstinence -- but it should be taught along side of if you "get caught in the moment" (as you put it), use a condom.  It's really not all that difficult.  And yes, I do believe that if you are teaching abstinence only and your kid gets pregnant (or gets someone pregnant) because they didn't know how or didn't use birth control -- then yes, on this score you failed.

Where did she say it should be legislated?

I think you're quick to the draw Shades showing your colors here.  Yes where did I say it should be legislated?  I've always believed a teen pregnancy should be a family matter, not a public matter and I challenge you to show me where I've said otherwise. 

Huh?  You know you make absolutely NO sense?  spoken by a true liberal perhaps? 

Maybe you just don't understand.  Premarital sex is ALWAYS a sin from a Christian POV.  ALWAYS.  Can I make it any clearer?  So how does it make it hypocritical that they are keeping the baby?  If they keep the baby it  somehow means it's NOT a sin anymore? 

Don't you think you have it backwards?  Don't you think if they aborted this baby after preaching pro-life they would then be called hypocrites?  Why is it hypocritical to keep a baby even if you believe pre-marital sex is a sin?  Where's the hypocrisy here? 

I dont' think it has anything to do with what you decide to do once your pregnant.  The hypocrtical issue is that the pregnancy has been completely glossed over.  Did you see Jon Stewart's clips of Bill Reilly.  He called Jaimie Lynn Spear's parents pinheads because she got pregnant -- but then went on to say in Palin's case that it's not the parents' fault.  How is that no hypocrtical?  That's the point.

As for whether I am quick to the draw-- have you not made it clear that you'd like to see Roe v. Wade reversed.  So, we are playing a game of semantics -- I said "legislate", and you would say "overturn" -- it's the same deal.  A pregnancy is only private if the family is choosing to keep the baby.  If the pregnant teen wants an abortion  -- it's no longer a private issue, it's an issue for the courts to decide. 

I've always very proudly worn my colors, so if that was meant to be an insult it wasn't. 

Honestly, I feel the same way about you on a regular basis.

I dont' think it has anything to do with what you decide to do once your pregnant.  The hypocrtical issue is that the pregnancy has been completely glossed over.  Did you see Jon Stewart's clips of Bill Reilly.  He called Jaimie Lynn Spear's parents pinheads because she got pregnant -- but then went on to say in Palin's case that it's not the parents' fault.  How is that no hypocrtical?  That's the point.

As for whether I am quick to the draw-- have you not made it clear that you'd like to see Roe v. Wade reversed.  So, we are playing a game of semantics -- I said "legislate", and you would say "overturn" -- it's the same deal.  A pregnancy is only private if the family is choosing to keep the baby.  If the pregnant teen wants an abortion  -- it's no longer a private issue, it's an issue for the courts to decide. 

I've always very proudly worn my colors, so if that was meant to be an insult it wasn't. 

Honestly, I feel the same way about you on a regular basis.