The average Kerry supporter?

, im sure thats not what the majority of Kerry, or Bush supporters look like but damn. hehe.
Just goes to show you what a diverse nation we have here

What should an American voter look like? I'd rather see someone like this (that politicans take for granted), rather than some guy in a white robe at a secret meeting singing the praises of Bush (not to imply anything) or some overly vocal southern baptist minister preaching Kerry's praises (again, not to imply anything). We're all Americans and like Dysmas wrote 'we are truly a diverse nation'. Stop condeming and start accepting and working with others. Political differences may exist, but trust me, there's someone just like that woman hoisting a Bush sign somewhere.

Just stop. Wait. Look at her for a second. What does she tell you? What does her picture say to you? Who is she? What matters about her appearance? It'd be interesting if someone could find a picture of a Bush voter, so we could compare and contrast the two.

How self rightous of you to assume I condemn anyone. CONDEMNATION is far different than having a discrimenating taste in fashion. I dont remember the last time I saw someone CONDEMNED to jail, to death or to HELL for having poor personal grooming habits. I will continue to uphold my own personal tastes, and no amount of PC pandering will sway me. Last time I checked, it was my right to have an opinion about what I do or do not find attractive.


Why should I accept this woman? What value would she add to my life? The second hand smoke or the bad taste in music? Will her personal hair grooming tips enrich my own life, allowing me, on my death bed, to reflect back over my life to the moment I opened my heart and accepted the white trash look? Or instead should I value my own individual judgement, and not give into your sad and commercially correct dogma?


The arrogance of others never ceases to amaze me.

She looks like a bush voter to me!

!! Cute.

*I'm a little scared*

d3adzOmbie I never said you didn't have the right to your opinion, but let's face it - SO DOES SHE! And based on your response, you should respect that. What I'm gathering is that you feel Bush supports are better than Kerry supporters. What I'm saying is that there is someone like here on both sides of this election decision. And if you don't believe that you need to wake up.

I have to admit that I don't share her fasion or musical taste either. Nor do I support smoking, but Who am I to say that she doesn't have those right. I'm not GOD and neither are you.

Great "article", thanks for posting this

I see a lot of people here lately running smack to the effect that Kerry supporters are poor, stupid, and drive rusted Datsun B-210s. Like everything else the Republicans are spinning these days, it's bull.

Here are the results of The Harris Poll #71, September 29, 2004, broken down by education: http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=499

Among likely voters with high school or less, Bush has a nine point lead.
Among likely voters with some college, Bush has a six point lead.
Among likely voters who are college grads, Kerry has a five point lead.
Among likely voters with post graduate education, Kerry has a TWENTY ONE
POINT LEAD.

Notice the near-perfect negative correlation between education and voting for Bush.

David St. Hubbins
Proud member of the Reality Based Community

Citizen larryluther: You claimed I condemed her, I just said she scares me. She does scare me... unwashed, smoking with poor fashion sense. Youve made this into a far bigger issue than I ever intended. I do have to thank you for my next blog though - 'why it's ok to discreminate'.


David St. Hubbins: Interesting that the Kerry base has more college hours under their collective belts. Perhaps there is more of a correlation between the liberal bias in Universities and the way people vote? As the Democratic organization FIRE will attest, campuses across the US are prosecuting conservative groups and teaching liberal ideals as if Marx himself were Socrates. Do a google on "college speech codes" just for a peek into the kind of PC crap going on at universities. Also, please dont mistake a lack of college degrees as a "negative" thing. Im a proud High School graduate, owner of three business's, and I make more income in 60hrs a month than my family doctor does with 220hrs work a month. Education is not bestowed exclusively by the lofty towers of liberaldom.

David St. Hubbins: Interesting that the Kerry base has more college hours under their collective belts. Perhaps there is more of a correlation between the liberal bias in Universities and the way people vote? As the Democratic organization FIRE will attest, campuses across the US are prosecuting conservative groups and teaching liberal ideals as if Marx himself were Socrates. Do a google on "college speech codes" just for a peek into the kind of PC crap going on at universities. Also, please dont mistake a lack of college degrees as a "negative" thing. Im a proud High School graduate, owner of three business's, and I make more income in 60hrs a month than my family doctor does with 220hrs work a month. Education is not bestowed exclusively by the lofty towers of liberaldom.

Maybe it could be if you had a nice head on your shoulders, thought for yourself and were well educated you would vote for Kerry (so long as money wasn't the most importnat thing to you).

Thanks for your reply Zombie. We members of the Reality Based Community use data, polls, charts, etc. to support our arguments. You use pictures. And spin. You are coming dangerously close to Orwellian 'Ignorance is Knowledge' type thinking, my friend, when you disparage higher education. Education helps develop critical thinking and knowledge, things that come in handy when choosing a president and making sense of the world around you. Here in the Reality Based Community, education is good thing, not a bad thing.

And the lack of eduation among Bush voters explains a lot of his support. The University of Maryland just released the results of a poll which exposed the detachment between Bush supporters and reality. Here is a summary of some of the findings and commentary. Absolutely amazing stuff. Up until now I didn't really understand how in the world Bush could have 50% support, but this poll explains it: mass ignorance. A good 60% to 70% of Bush's supporters have a complete disconnect with reality. That's not an opinion or spin; that's quantifiable truth backed up by solid data below.

Check this out: (WARNING - it's long, and contains factually accurate data that may not be appropriate for those outside the the Reality Based Community)

-Even after the final report of Charles Duelfer to Congress saying that Iraq did not have a significant WMD program, 72% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq had actual WMD (47%) or a major program for developing them (25%).

-Fifty-six percent assume that most experts believe Iraq had actual WMD and 57% also assume, incorrectly, that Duelfer concluded Iraq had at least a major WMD program. Kerry supporters hold opposite beliefs on all these points.

-Similarly, 75% of Bush supporters continue to believe that Iraq was providing substantial support to al Qaeda, and 63% believe that clear evidence of this support has been found. Sixty percent of Bush supporters assume that this is also the conclusion of most experts, and 55% assume, incorrectly, that this was the conclusion of the 9/11 Commission.

-Steven Kull, director of UM-PIPA, comments, "One of the reasons that Bush supporters have these beliefs is that they perceive the Bush administration confirming them. Interestingly, this is one point on which Bush and Kerry supporters agree." Eighty-two percent of Bush supporters perceive the Bush administration as saying that Iraq had WMD (63%) or that Iraq had a major WMD program (19%).

-Asked whether the US should have gone to war with Iraq if US intelligence had concluded that Iraq was not making WMD or providing support to al Qaeda, 58% of Bush supporters said the US should not have, and 61% assume that in this case the President would not have. Kull continues, "To support the president and to accept that he took the US to war based on mistaken assumptions likely creates substantial cognitive dissonance, and leads Bush supporters to suppress awareness of unsettling information about prewar Iraq."

-Despite an abundance of evidence--including polls conducted by Gallup International in 38 countries, and more recently by a consortium of leading newspapers in 10 major countries--only 31% of Bush supporters recognize that the majority of people in the world oppose the US having gone to war with Iraq. Forty-two percent assume that views are evenly divided, and 26% assume that the majority approves.

-Similarly, 57% of Bush supporters assume that the majority of people inthe world would favor Bush's re-election; 33% assumed that views are evenlydivided and only 9% assumed that Kerry would be preferred. A recent poll by GlobeScan and PIPA of 35 of the major countries around the world found that in 30, a majority or plurality favored Kerry, while in just 3 Bush was favored. On average, Kerry was preferred more than two to one.

-Bush supporters also have numerous misperceptions about Bush's international policy positions. Majorities incorrectly assume that Bush supports multilateral approaches to various international issues--the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%), the treaty banning land mines (72%)--and for addressing the problem of global warming: 51% incorrectly assume he favors US participation in the Kyoto treaty. After he denounced the International Criminal Court in the debates, the perception that he favored it dropped from 66%, but still 53% continue to believe that he favors it. An overwhelming 74% incorrectly assumes that he favors including
labor and environmental standards in trade agreements. In all these cases, majorities of Bush supporters favor the positions they impute to Bush.

-The roots of the Bush supporters' resistance to information," according to Steven Kull, "very likely lie in the traumatic experience of 9/11 and equally in the near pitch-perfect leadership that President Bush showed in
its immediate wake. This appears to have created a powerful bond between Bush and his supporters--and an idealized image of the President that makes it difficult for his supporters to imagine that he could have made incorrect judgments before the war, that world public opinion could be critical of his policies or that the President could hold foreign policy positions that are at odds with his supporters."

I state the following as empirical truth: It is not possible to make a reasonable, logical, reality-based argument in support of the re-election of President Bush. It's impossible. That's why Bush supporters tend to TYPE IN CAPS!!!!, lie frequently, post pictures rather than data, beat circle-jerk topics like 'Cookiegate' to death, and are generally belligerent when discussing politics in the blogsphere.


David St. Hubbins
Proud member of the Reality Based Community

Source: http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/Report10_21_04.pdf

During the debates, I sat there and tried to open my mind very hard. I was trying to put myself into the mindframe that would approve of Bush's re-election. It was a little easier during the last debate because Kerry sounded a bit uppity, but I couldn't bring myself to approve of Bush at all, in any sense. "He finishes what he starts", "He has a definite, unwavering stance on the important issues", and other praises such as that just don't float on my boat.

If that lady is voting for Kerry with an Alan Jackson shirt on, then I'm much more optimistic about us winning.

Cheers.

Reply #12 By: David St. Hubbins (Anonymous) - 10/23/2004 8:43:41 PM

Excelent excelent excelent.

Typical Kerry Supporter:
Group A: Lawyer, Academic, Public school teacher. Highly educated, tends to believe that they are more sophisticated than most people and deep down bristle at the thought of their vote being countered by some red neck Shrub supporter.

Group B: Single mother. Struggling to make ends meet. Thinks that the system favors the rich at their expense. Want more federal programs to help them.

Group C: Poor, uneducated. Did not finish high school or finished high school barely. Union worker or low skilled laborer.

Typical Bush Supporter:

Group A: Religious. Married. Has children. Believes Bush will help move America towards a more "moral" course.

Group B: Business man, entrepreneur.  Married, has children. Believes that the federal government intereferes with their lives. Wants the government off their back.

Group C: Middle class. Married, distrustful of the federal government taking away their freedoms (guns, regulations, taxes, etc.). Tend to be high school graduates with some college education or military experience.

Overall stereo type:

Unmarried people tend to be Kerry supporters with the exception of academics, union supporters, and public (as opposed to private) school teachers.

Married people, particularly ones with children, tend to be Bush supporters. 

Why this is you can figure out yourself. These are the demographics facts behind each candidate.

Typical Bush Supporter: Group A: Religious. Married. Has children. Believes Bush will help move America towards a more "moral" course. Group B: Business man, entrepreneur. Married, has children. Believes that the federal government intereferes with their lives. Wants the government off their back. Group C: Middle class. Married, distrustful of the federal government taking away their freedoms (guns, regulations, taxes, etc.). Tend to be high school graduates with some college education or military experience.

As religious, unmarried male, with no children, that believes I am just as "moral" as the next person, with a business background, beliveves that the government interferes with our lives, wants the government off our back, middle class, distrustful of the government taking away our freedoms, a high school graduate with some college education & military experience, I should be a Bush supporter right? Wrong! I support my beliefs, not demographics. And so should you!!!

Reply #17 By: larryluther - 10/24/2004 1:29:27 AM Typical Bush Supporter: Group A: Religious. Married. Has children. Believes Bush will help move America towards a more "moral" course. Group B: Business man, entrepreneur. Married, has children. Believes that the federal government intereferes with their lives. Wants the government off their back. Group C: Middle class. Married, distrustful of the federal government taking away their freedoms (guns, regulations, taxes, etc.). Tend to be high school graduates with some college education or military experience. As religious, unmarried male, with no children, that believes I am just as "moral" as the next person, with a business background, beliveves that the government interferes with our lives, wants the government off our back, middle class, distrustful of the government taking away our freedoms, a high school graduate with some college education & military experience, I should be a Bush supporter right? Wrong! I support my beliefs, not demographics. And so should you!!!

Lighten up dude. He did say typical, NOT everyone.

And here's the punchline - this was posted as a joke. You know, something funny that invokes laughter. Yes, it is ok to still laugh at people, and I dare say that this woman is highly amusing supporting a billionaire for office that is so out of touch with here day to day life that it struck me as amusing.

I have, and will continue, to use both facts, data AND propoganda (because a good belief is nothing without the serious propoganda to support it) to back up my more serious posts. Anyone with a College education should have enough common sense to have not taken this so damn seriously...

So really, instead of going through a very long and way too serious reply about a few 'facts' that could easily be picked apart (when will people learn that poll data is not "factual"?) I'll ask this simple question, "Who here got the joke?".

I can tell you at least one person that DIDN'T get it. I guess in MY real world we stop and laugh once in awhile...