What's up with Palin?

No.  It was a malicious, deliberate lie.  There's a difference.

Isn't politics wonderful?

Indeed, and Democrats can't act innocent to fund-raising lies, soundbytes and malicious smear-campaigning either.

Palin is worrying though. She is a very good candidate but has a few too many rough edges that, when coupled with her inexperience, result in silly errors like her statement.

Palin is kind of like Biden in 2001 (when he suggested things such as giving Iran $200million, no strings attached). Sure she said something stupid, a lie. But then Obama lies and says things stupid everyday, McCain lies, Biden certainly says stupid things.

yes it is....lol

I know.  I'm increasingly disaffected by both major parties.

Frankly, I think they should both be done away with.

Depends on how you define 'campaign'.  Both parties act on the assumption that surrogate attacks are at least 'sanctioned' with a wink & a nod, if not 'planted' intentionally.  All that 'plausible deniability' stuff.  What she did (or, more likely, her campaign managers did) was more 'stretching the truth a bit' than intentional, malicious lying.  Not that that's a good thing, but it is politics as usual.

Moose -

She did not accuse Obama of attacking her kids - I've since found the actual language of that fundraising appeal:

That's hardly a malicious, deliberate lie.  That's the plain truth.  Are the freaks at DK & DU not 'Obama-Biden Democrats?'  While what I said in reply #5 is a fact of life, this particular criticism of Palin is unfounded.

Yes, the words are the same as the democrats use - when they say them - it is gospel.  WHen republicans do - it is a lie.  Said the jabberwocky.

The truth is Palin is right.  Obama/Biden are not doing it, but the democrats supporting them sure are.  Just waltz on over to du.org, Daily Kos, Puffington HOst, or Moveon.org to see the moonbats losing their cool (which is not hard to get them to do).

So the malicious lie was made by those that said it was a malicious lie.

Thanks for posting Daiwa.

Diawa,

If your saying that a "VICIOUS ATTACK DIRECTED TOWARD MY FAMILY"  is not saying that obama is attacking her kids are her kids not apart of her family.  Why cant conservatives just admit it when they screw up????  I mean even on such a small scale as this.  That is kinda why I posted this.  Really in the grand scheme of things this is a more minor item.  I just wanted to see if there was just a blind following that would try to justify anything or if we could at least have a honest disscussion here.  I guess I got my answer.  She(or her handlers, it really comes down to her anyway)messed up.  Obama specifically took the high rode on this issue and she didnt.

then why say obama-biden????  its a lie, anyway you look at it.  She is trying to make people think of beleive that obama and biden did this, that is totally untrue period.

No, it is the truth,  You are spreading a lie however.  What is wrong with you?

Moose -

If you don't think the attacks on Palin & her family have been viscious and you don't think those attacks have come from 'Obama-Biden Democrats' then you're just nuts.

But not from Obama and Biden.  Why is there a need to say obama/biden.  Why not just say it like it is.  There are radical democrats making attacks against my family.  The way she said it is VERY misleading and in my book and many others(mostly repubs) thats considered lying.

I never said there were not attacks on her or her family.  But I abhore that type of behavior and obviously so does Obama, especially when he siad right out of the gate no one in my campaign better touch this or they will be out of a job.

Read the quote again.  "Obama/Biden democrats".  SHe was specific in her words, as are all good politicians.  SO the only way you can spin this as a lie is to deny that there are any democrats spreading the lies and hate against her family.

Care to try?

I guess you don't believe we can read or comprehend, Moose.  What 'other Democrats' would be spreading this viscious attacks?  Hillary Democrats?  Edwards democrats? Reid Democrats?

You are really having to reach to defend your argument here.  And your definition of 'lie' leaves a lot to be desired.  'Course, it serves the left well to broaden the definition of 'lie' to mean anything they don't like.

Very hollow words, I'm afraid.  Has Obama condemned DK by name?  No.  Has Obama condemned DU by name?  No.  Has Obama condemned Huffington Post by name?  No.  Has Obama condemned the NYT by name?  No.

Tries to appear appalled & above it all, but I've seen no evidence that he's tried anything concrete to shine a light on the sources of this crap or to put a stop to it.

Sure

here is the definistion of lie according to Merriam-webster:

Lie

1.)To make an untrue statement with intent to decieve.

2.)to create a false or MISLEADING impression.

I know she successfully did this in an attempt to raise money.  At your job if you say "mislead" your boss about your numbers to make them look better and he finds out they were not accurate what do you think he might do?  I say you would most likely be looking for another job.

To diawa why should he have to condemn these other organizations he doesnt run them.....your off topic here a bit.    I mean seriously then should McCain have to condemn all conseervative writers or thinkers?  Of course not.  The point is that Obama/Biden didnt say anything.  And yes there are "other Democrats"  I have been told so here on this forum by conservatives that some of them are McCain democrats that will vote for him.  How many times have we heard about Reagan democrats?  There are still Hillary Democrats.

How silly, of course not.  But he's actually condemned at least one - talk show host Bill Cunningham after being introduced by him at a rally in Cincinatti in February, for emphasizing BO's middle name three times.  So it can be done.

Only two problems - it was a factual statement and it was not intended to mislead, Miriam Webster notwithstanding.  Your analogy holds no water.

Yes but this is in direct effect of his campaign, Obama would have done the same, McCain hasnt blasted talk show hosts about what they say on their shows nor should he.

I think we are going to have to just disagree on this one.  I see it differently.

This wasn't related to what he said on his talk show, and I agree with you about that.

The scurrilous BS on some blogs, which certain media outlets feel 'obligated to report' without doing their own research, deserves condemnation, both of the source & the 'innocent' intermediary, by both Obama and McCain.

Now we are getting somewhere.  I think we can agree(alot of us heredems and repubs) that we all probably wish to have a real debate and not all the negative ads.  I am all for it.  Lets sit down and have a real debate.  No more Oh Palin's 17 year old is pregnant, or oh Obama is a muslim.  Obama, McCain what will you do for us and how?  Those are the items we should disagree on not the fringe people of both parties and third parties making dumb and negative attacks.

Funny how McCain is more Kennedyesque than BO.  Who'da thunk it?

I dont know about that Daiwa in his acceptance speech he must have said I am gonna do this and I am gonna do that about 20 times in a row there.....Doesnt sound like he even wants the rest of us lowly people along:)

Just an FYI I have noticed that Little whip has been replying to some of these posts.  My guess is that she is replying to at least some of mine.  I skip over all of her posts and dont read them nor do I respond to her.  Not to be rude, but when I first came to this forum I got into a disscussion on a different thread where she had to cuss, degrade, belittle, and basically act like a child towards me.  I repeatedly asked her to be more civil, she refused and acted like a bigger child.  I then said that I would no longer respond to her if she continued her ways, she did continue and I finally said enough, I dont need to deal with a child.  Since then I have seen other posts basically telling her the same thing and I did notice no one came to her aid. 

Probably because of her actions, most people here seem to get fired up but usually temper their anger pretty good in terms of name calling and childish behavior, so I try to do the same.  I think that when discussing such matter we should be civil to one another even though I know that these issues go to the core of who we all are.

I thought he 'never talked about a plan.'  Weren't you listening/watching on MSNBC?

a plan sure he did same plan as the last 8 years

What has that got to do with the price of rice in china?  You have yet to show where it is a lie.  And dancing around the truth to do it (in other words, you are lying).

So were you applying that definition to yourself?  You must be because so far, you are the only one stating lies here.

Let me be a little clearer (again).  Palin did not say "Obama and Biden did this".  Palin said "Obama/Biden Democrats did this".  Now let's look at the facts.

The attacks are facts.

Democrats making the attacks are facts.

Some (maybe all) of those democrats making those attacks are supporting Obama/Biden - that is a fact.

So the facts are that attacks are being made by democrats (note she never said ALL democrats) who are supporting Obama/Biden.  What do you call them?  Idiots (ok, you would be right if you did).

So quit spinning.  You are worse than a washing machine stuck on spin.