You are right, YOUR answer does not satisfy me. Nor do I view the 'explanations' you refer to as answers from the dev's mouths, as answering my questions. The word conspiracy is very, imo, disingenuous of you.

As for how this relates to the 'gamer's bill of rights', well given the older PR stuff I think it would be fair to say 'rights' 2 and 3 are challanged. The irony eh? 

Then take it from theirs:

Hey all,

We have not forgotten about you

To clear things up a bit: at this point the community has access to pretty much all the tools the developers have - we're not holding anything back out of spite! Also, in certain situations you will come across hard-coded limits which may not make sense to you. Some of them may be limitations resulting from the engine design, but more often they are there to control the amount of memory usage and dynamic memory allocation - to keep the game running as smoothly as possible.

I'd like to get some idea of what would be most useful to the modding community at this point. What kind of tools are you hoping to see in a "full toolset release"? Or as ZJBDragon says, is the main requirement some centralized place to get information about how to mod each aspect of the game?

Cheers

https://forums.sinsofasolarempire.com/311187/page/1/#replies , reply #12

The word conspiracy is quite accurate to describe what you're suggesting, since you're basically implying that they deliberately limit modding because they want to get more money out of people.

Will there be new races or a SP campain in the Expansion?

We don't know how that's going to be done. We know that a campaign is in the works, and we know it's not going to be in Entrenchment. That's about it So we'll get it somehow, but not yet.

Sign me up. Sounds like I can't wait.

You are being very trollish here!

Why is it that nobody can even raise a question or suggest the slightest hint of criticism without you jumping in. It looks rather stiffling. Surely its better to let people express opinions so that the devs know there are such opinions out there, rather than be challenged into silence and hold those opinions anyway?

I thought forums were for debate, discussion and expression of opinions?

There's plenty of criticism, in this thread and in others, that is actual criticism. His, however, was not criticism but an insulting insinuation based on a lie that he created.

And he did, in fact, imply that Ironclad is deliberately choking the modding scene because they want money for something that modders would've been able to do otherwise (which does constitute a conspiracy, by the way):

All while insisting that they have never addressed this concern, which I was happy to call him out on and prove otherwise.

You may call it trolling, but if anyone's going to criticize Ironclad they should at least do it with a truth, not a blatant lie - and that's what I make sure is known. I don't try to debunk every single criticism, and in the past I've joined in on some (by now, everything that comes up is essentially beating a dead horse because it has been debated before) albeit with a different tone because I have the advantage of knowing some of the reasoning and inner workings from the beta test. But if someone decides to make up a lie and try to use it to smear IC's name and make it sound like another money-hungry company that doesn't care about its fans and only money, well, I'll be sure to call them on it. And I stand by my post.

Plus, if you hate Stardock 1) Why are you here on their forums.... and 2) why don't you just go by Spore and become an EA fanatic cause "I'm sure they're much better." 

Flipping heck, is this a fanboys convention in here?

I think you will find that people who post critacally or raise concerns about things do so because they care about the game. People who hate the game/developers don't!

I thought this was aplace where you could go to discuss the game, not listen to a monologue from Annatar11? If that is all that is permitted here then its going to be a pretty dead site (and game) pretty soon.

If somebody is going to criticize something, that criticism should at least be true.

When will the beta start, if there is one?

I welcome the expansions.  I'm SP never MP (so my view is slanted I suppose).  I love the idea of better defenses.  I hope it will allow me to setup a defensive front in enemy territory, and also allow the enemy to better defend their production lines as well. It will also be nice to be able to trap those pesky fleeing ships. 

I'd also like to be able to buy defense from pirates instead of just offense.  Starbases will create turtles, but if I could rent 3 minutes of defense from the pirates, and hire them to guard a planet I select, while I go raid some enemy planets  --  I think that would provide the same kind of effect as starbases without it being a permanent defensive unit.

as I have read that entrenchment is due for release in november and it will be my ** birthday please please please make the release date what a prezzie cant wait

has anyone asked if we will have to re-mod our existing mods for these expansions or will they integrate, with the obvious exception of the added features??

edit: for those complaining about price: why don't you just mod yourself some starbases and whatnot.

then you wouldn't have to cough up.... $10! I'm not a real modder, so I won't complain.

edit #2: what? did I kill the thread? a whole week and no one...